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[Computim]

xHezz90 wrote...

*sigh* my dad is talking to TIM at the moment, he's so close to the crappy ending. He keeps yelling at the TV screen wanting to shoot TIM lol. I think everything was fine right up until that elevator lifted Shepard up to meet god child. I mean the moment with Anderson was awesome, and the fact Shepard is fighting so hard to get to the console for Hackett was really heart warming, but then the **** hits the fan and they give us god child and "what's your favourite colour?".

Anyways I will be gone for about 10 mins, will be back soon guys.

Might want to hide all the sharp pointy objects, and make sure all your electrical outlets in the bathroom are GFI.. or just get rid of the toaster.

[DJBare]

revaew wrote...
well, in the cut-scene you can see the beam of what ever, being "shot" through space and hitting other relays only to get shot out again and make a spider web type deal. it annoys me that this would occur since the energy would be instantaneously teleported to the next system.....

correct me if I am mistaken but this bothers me....

There is finite travel time between relays, but it's so fast as to appear instant, all the relay does is reduce the ships mass to near zero allowing to travel faster than light, as for what we saw, well just call it a dramatic effect, if they'd gone with all relays instantly destroyed you would not have been able to watch the pretty color travel between relays.

[Xyalon]

Computim wrote...

Only problem I have with that is it shows the shockwaves on the galactic scale, anything moving that fast save neutrinos would carry some kind of mass, takes us back to the Artillery Officer on Mass Effect 2 Citadel informing his probies that "THAT BULLET KEEPS GOING UNTIL IT HITS SOMETHING WITH THE FORCE OF A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION" (or whatever the exact wording was).  That many explosions would be the equivalent of storm surge/tsunamis and destroy craziness... not to mention the citadel was 'one big mass relay'.  It was right next to earth when it blew up lol.

As they are sent out by the mass relay, we can assume that the waves are travelling FTL. We also are aware that they can send communications via Mass Relay, these communcations do not have mass, however can travel FTL.

We can assume, then, that the colour of your sparkly whizz is merely representative of the massless wave form front which is hyper accellerated via mass relay (unexplained in the codex). It dissipates most likely due to the fact that as the wave spreads out it becomes more diffuse as is the case with standard wave harmonics, which is why each Relay needs to spread out the bubble.

Also, as I said, the destruction of the citadel doesn't need to be massive if it is an internal explosion caused by the shutting down of systems and huge amounts of energy being release as heat internally as the mass effect drive vents as it is shut down. Yes, it goes up in an explosion, but it doesn't need to be massive. Of course the falling debris from orbit will cause some damage on Earth, but I think they have enought destruction there not to be overly concerned at that.

The Slug from the Everest class Dreadnaught is 20kilo and accelerated to an appreciable fraction of the speed of light, it would most certainly impact with an impressive force (though not necessarily a visible explosion). As we know, the slugs are made to squash on impact to send out the force through the target but that is more likely going to be a shockwave than an explosion, kinetic energy as opposed to heat and light, but I let them have their fun in their epic space battles because they would look dull without explosions hitting kinetic barriers.

But the wave, most likely massless. Also, if travelling at FTL speeds would be unlikely to physically encounter anything as would basically be in a different phase to matter as otherwise Mass Relays wouldn't be able to function as stars, planets, asteroids and comets would be in the way occasionally.

[SavageLycan]

Generic Name wrote...

weatabix wrote...

Does anyone else get the feeling that this week is going to be the turning point? It will either be the week when we are promised some ending DLC or we are told none is coming. I really hope it's the prior...

Hold the line!

I've got a feeling we'll be ignored. Again.

*Assuming control*

Sure we'll get an answer. . . Why do I have a headache?

Headache? Ha! That's crazy-

...do you hear that hum?

[Conspicuous Cake]

 Back from dinner!

And yet another reminder!
Be civil.
No bashing.
Post links to images, not the actual images.
No huge quote trees.

Hold the line!

Modifié par Conspicuous Cake, 18 mars 2012 - 11:55 .

[Doppelgaenger]

Annaleah wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

*sigh* my dad is talking to TIM at the moment, he's so close to the crappy ending. He keeps yelling at the TV screen wanting to shoot TIM lol. I think everything was fine right up until that elevator lifted Shepard up to meet god child. I mean the moment with Anderson was awesome, and the fact Shepard is fighting so hard to get to the console for Hackett was really heart warming, but then the **** hits the fan and they give us god child and "what's your favourite colour?".

Anyways I will be gone for about 10 mins, will be back soon guys.

Your dad is the coolest... my dad couldnt find his ass with both hands in a video game.

When I emphasize with people going through this I get the feeling that everything in my mouth is turning to ashes.

[HoldTheLine]

Doppelgaenger wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Iucounou wrote...

HoldTheLine wrote...
Just out of curiosity, was there anything that anyone actually liked about the ending? I personally kinda liked synthesis...even though Shep's death was disturbing and it made no sense whatsoever...

I liked the music.

This, and seeing EDI smile, though just a little disturbing at the same time, I could not get it out of my head, Shepard puts in all the work and Joker gets the girl, I found it tragic and funny at the same time.

I agree. Synthesis got Joker the chance to really be with his girl, that was kinda nice. However, Synthesis was so wrong on so many levels that it bounced right back into my face. 

Yeah, after reading the Indoctrination Theory, I think Synthesis may have possibly been the worst choice

[Xyalon]

DJBare wrote...

revaew wrote...
well, in the cut-scene you can see the beam of what ever, being "shot" through space and hitting other relays only to get shot out again and make a spider web type deal. it annoys me that this would occur since the energy would be instantaneously teleported to the next system.....

correct me if I am mistaken but this bothers me....

There is finite travel time between relays, but it's so fast as to appear instant, all the relay does is reduce the ships mass to near zero allowing to travel faster than light, as for what we saw, well just call it a dramatic effect, if they'd gone with all relays instantly destroyed you would not have been able to watch the pretty color travel between relays.

Agreed, and if you take into account the distance they are travelling, it would appear almost instantaneous anyway. Millions of light years in a few seconds is as close to instantaneous as you can get without getting into entanglement.

[IndustrializedTaco]

Xyalon wrote...

Relshar wrote...

LadyMarisa wrote...

Relshar wrote...

The sacrifice that was spoken was the destruction of all the races mass relays which means people are going to be stranded galaxy wide.

Nah, almost no one is stranded. Bioware already made it clear in The Arrival (ME2 DLC) that destroying mass relays destroys most if not all of the star system. With the size of the explosions at the ending of 3 and the fact that you can *see* these explosions from a *galaxy map* type of view, means you've destroyed more than the Reapers ever would have.

That is a good assessment of what happened. I still find the Mass Relay thing to be a bit funky, but that adds some perspective to it. Well thought out, and I got some lols out of it.

So Earth and the planet Joke landed on was destroyed by the explosion as I understand it. So what happens when you see Shepard take that final breath ? Shouldn't he/she be dead as well in the explosion ?

Your theory does not make sense in accordance to how the Mass Relays worked.

I for one do not actually have a problem with the mass relay destruction theory. Yes, The Arrival DLC showed that if you crashed a giant asteroid into a hitherto believed indestructable Mass Relay then the resulting explosion would wipe out the system the relay was placed in.

If we accept Starchild's story for a second that a) he exists and he is the citadel then he is Reaper Tech, just as the Citadel is and the Mass Relays are. As such, it would be possible for whatever flavour beam they send out to merely cause the mass effect field in the mass relay to destabalize and shut down. The Mass Relay would be destroyed in the resulting explosing due to the immense heat release from the reaction, but the explosions would be localised.  If they were actually huge explosions you would see a marked change in the composition of the galaxy as it would cause billions of supernovae to happen all at once, and once you had unwelded the eyeballs from the back of your skull, most of the milkyway would be cosmic dust and no stars. The Arrival deals purely with the premature cessation of a Mass Relay using the power of inertia, rather than a self destruct cycle. Like the difference between using a wrecking ball to take apart an ikea table and an screwdriver.

The expanding spheres of coloured sparkly whizz are not, as a result, the fiery progress of an explosions, but rather a shockwave of space magic which, depending on your flavour, is either:

R) the mother of all EMPs wiping out all synthetic life (and consequently all VIs and electronics aboard all spacefaring vessels and pretty much anything else in the galaxy which uses anything more advanced than clockwork),

a carrier signal which changes the control orders in giant robots we were previously led to believe as sentient, but are obviously nothing more than VIs or remote control space squid.

or 

G) has the amazing capability to transform organic material (such as, say, hydrocarbons) into part synthetic material, not by altering their molecular composition but by merely re-writing DNA. It can do this to the DNA of synthetics too in order to...no, wait....


So, yeah, Mass Relays don't go boom. Doesn't get you out of the sparkly whizz space magic problems though BioWare, sorry, I'm stumped on that one.

[ArmyKnifeX]

 While we're at it please take the time to look at the Mission Statement thread and poll.

We hold grievances with the current ending and EA/BioWare because:

• The game's ending fails to meet what we were promised as consumers.

• The game's ending fails to meet our expectations as fans.

• The response from BioWare needs to change.

• We have jobs, families, responsibilities. We dedicate our time to this cause because we genuinely care about Mass Effect and its story.

• We want to see a product that we, as human beings, as consumers, as fans, and as players can be proud of.

[*]We wish to see a conclusion to the game that does the rest of the series justice - in terms of concluding the story and providing the players with both choices and consequences to prior choices.

Retake Mass Effect 3 - Hold the line. 


If you agree with this mission statement then please, stop playing the Mass Effect games. Don't buy new EA/BioWare products. We must show them, beyond the use of this mission statement, that we are willing to use what means we have to convey our message. They will know how many people are playing and for how long with Origin and the EA Network.

Thread:
http://social.biowar.../index/10146448 
Poll:
http://social.biowar...25/polls/29868/ 

[Computim]

Xyalon wrote...

Computim wrote...

Only problem I have with that is it shows the shockwaves on the galactic scale, anything moving that fast save neutrinos would carry some kind of mass, takes us back to the Artillery Officer on Mass Effect 2 Citadel informing his probies that "THAT BULLET KEEPS GOING UNTIL IT HITS SOMETHING WITH THE FORCE OF A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION" (or whatever the exact wording was).  That many explosions would be the equivalent of storm surge/tsunamis and destroy craziness... not to mention the citadel was 'one big mass relay'.  It was right next to earth when it blew up lol.

As they are sent out by the mass relay, we can assume that the waves are travelling FTL. We also are aware that they can send communications via Mass Relay, these communcations do not have mass, however can travel FTL.

We can assume, then, that the colour of your sparkly whizz is merely representative of the massless wave form front which is hyper accellerated via mass relay (unexplained in the codex). It dissipates most likely due to the fact that as the wave spreads out it becomes more diffuse as is the case with standard wave harmonics, which is why each Relay needs to spread out the bubble.

Also, as I said, the destruction of the citadel doesn't need to be massive if it is an internal explosion caused by the shutting down of systems and huge amounts of energy being release as heat internally as the mass effect drive vents as it is shut down. Yes, it goes up in an explosion, but it doesn't need to be massive. Of course the falling debris from orbit will cause some damage on Earth, but I think they have enought destruction there not to be overly concerned at that.

The Slug from the Everest class Dreadnaught is 20kilo and accelerated to an appreciable fraction of the speed of light, it would most certainly impact with an impressive force (though not necessarily a visible explosion). As we know, the slugs are made to squash on impact to send out the force through the target but that is more likely going to be a shockwave than an explosion, kinetic energy as opposed to heat and light, but I let them have their fun in their epic space battles because they would look dull without explosions hitting kinetic barriers.

But the wave, most likely massless. Also, if travelling at FTL speeds would be unlikely to physically encounter anything as would basically be in a different phase to matter as otherwise Mass Relays wouldn't be able to function as stars, planets, asteroids and comets would be in the way occasionally.

I appreciate that you found the slug stuff haha.  I was curious trying to remember it now.

What's your opinion on why it destroyed the Normandy's drive systems then?

[Auralius Carolus]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Alright, what are all you delinquents doing? I leave you guys alone just long enough to grab some hours at work, and what happens? My chicken wings disappear!

That'll learn you to leave wings where people can get at 'em

*pulls empty plastic condiment cup out of the trash*

Yeah, well, looks like karma has me covered: somebody mistook this colonic laxative for ranch dipping sauce...

[SpuDSheraM]

This is why we are holding the line Bioware

Modifié par SpuDSheraM, 18 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[Generic Name]

HoldTheLine wrote...
Yeah, after reading the Indoctrination Theory, I think Synthesis may have possibly been the worst choice

Either way I think that was the worst option. My Shep would never play god. I do not even believe a pure renegade Shep would play god like that.

Destroy or Destroy. That is the question.

[ChandlerL]

Polat995 wrote...

There is ending that can crush Bioware's epic fail ending:

http://pastebin.com/ivPggzTF

Masterpiece!

That was pretty good.

Cheers

[Delpinolikespotatoes]

The thing is that when I read the forums or the declarations from Bioware so far it doesn't look like we're getting a new ending BUT when I think again about the endings we've got... With incoherences about whos alive or dead, with Shepard submmiting to the Godchild, with you being force to send the galaxy to some kind of Dark Ages... It just seems too wrong to be real.

[Computim]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Alright, what are all you delinquents doing? I leave you guys alone just long enough to grab some hours at work, and what happens? My chicken wings disappear!

That'll learn you to leave wings where people can get at 'em

*pulls empty plastic condiment cup out of the trash*

Yeah, well, looks like karma has me covered: somebody mistook this colonic laxative for ranch dipping sauce...

No worries.. I had planned another playthrough of the ending so I was sitting in the bathroom anyway waiting for the waves of nausea.

[Kyria Nyriese]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Alright, what are all you delinquents doing? I leave you guys alone just long enough to grab some hours at work, and what happens? My chicken wings disappear!

That'll learn you to leave wings where people can get at 'em

*pulls empty plastic condiment cup out of the trash*

Yeah, well, looks like karma has me covered: somebody mistook this colonic laxative for ranch dipping sauce...

ROFLMAO

I so needed that .

The laugh not the laxative ROFL

[Welsh Inferno]

Generic Name wrote...

HoldTheLine wrote...
Yeah, after reading the Indoctrination Theory, I think Synthesis may have possibly been the worst choice

Either way I think that was the worst option. My Shep would never play god. I do not even believe a pure renegade Shep would play god like that.

Destroy or Destroy. That is the question.

How about Destroy? I think thats better than your Destroy or your Destroy easily.

[IndustrializedTaco]

Generic Name wrote...

HoldTheLine wrote...
Yeah, after reading the Indoctrination Theory, I think Synthesis may have possibly been the worst choice

Either way I think that was the worst option. My Shep would never play god. I do not even believe a pure renegade Shep would play god like that.

Destroy or Destroy. That is the question.

First time I choose control, after I read the indoctrination theory I felt like a total dick. So I went back the second time, and choose to blow up those bastards. I if the endings don't change I'll probably do that every time. 

[LordHelfort]

The polls about to hit 54 000, lets take this baby to 100k by the end of the Month!

[tangalin]

Doppelgaenger wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

Please take this new poll!

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/552764

Next time there needs to be the iclusion of "none/don't know/something different/no answer" as a possible answer. Because I distinctly want not to buy ANYTHING in the future as long as this is not fixed.

This, I am unable to finish the poll because of this. I refuse to skew the results toward still willing to buy when I am not.

[Kyria Nyriese]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Generic Name wrote...

HoldTheLine wrote...
Yeah, after reading the Indoctrination Theory, I think Synthesis may have possibly been the worst choice

Either way I think that was the worst option. My Shep would never play god. I do not even believe a pure renegade Shep would play god like that.

Destroy or Destroy. That is the question.

How about Destroy? I think thats better than your Destroy or your Destroy easily.

No, no, no... it's gotta be Destroy /sigh

OK I'm getting slap happy, but it's either that or cry more.

[Benirus]

Generic Name wrote...

HoldTheLine wrote...
Yeah, after reading the Indoctrination Theory, I think Synthesis may have possibly been the worst choice

Either way I think that was the worst option. My Shep would never play god. I do not even believe a pure renegade Shep would play god like that.

Destroy or Destroy. That is the question.

Destroy all the way, screw the 3 colors and **** everything... To be fair I went WTF the moment I met the starchild. And when I got the 3 choices I googled the ending to find out where the hell I went wrong...

The rest is history.

Hold the line!

Modifié par Benirus, 18 mars 2012 - 11:58 .

[TerrifiedKiz]

Well guys, it's been exactly 1 week since i finished the game and thank god the anger/pain is mostly gone however the sad emptiness still remains
I'd like to remind everyone to keep things civil/respectful towards BioWare and don't feed the trolls! And also that our "fight" is far from over. So far, WE as a community did an amazing job, what is likely unprecedented in videogame history, so just continue to do the same, don't give in to despair and don't let the PR silence/bashing/whatever discourage you. HOLD THE LINE!

Keep voting in the IGN poll www.facebook.com/questions/10150639359051633/ show them we're not the "vocal minority"

And to keep moral up www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par TerrifiedKiz, 18 mars 2012 - 11:58 .