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[DJBare]

WvStolzing wrote...

DJBare wrote...
We are not looking to get the ending changed, we are looking for additional endings and path's so that everyone gets what they want.

It's best to ignore these people, not quote them further.

I'd rather they understand than continue in ignorance, I believe it's up to us to give them the information, everyone is entitled to their own opinion no matter how much we disagree, but if we set them straight by letting them know we are not trying to take away the ending they enjoyed then perhaps they will join us.

[Iucounou]

A Paperback Hero wrote...

Actually yes I do want t a 'hollywood-esque' happy ending. I especially like one's that do not contain deus ex machina star baby jesus right at the last 10 mins. Deus ex machina = hack rush job, just like it does in every other storytelling medium.

You realize scholars who analyze video games as art in the future will be chuckling at this ending right?

I just recalled another trilogy that ended in similar disappointment for me.

Peter Hamilton's Night's Dawn trilogy of scifi novels. Fantastic novels all the way through, setting up a moral dilemma for the entire galaxy to deal with.

Then he fluffed it with hokey nonsense involving time-travel to the end of the universe.

But at least he gave characters closure.

[Necrotron]

Stopping by on lunch break. Holding the line.

[Auralius Carolus]

WvStolzing wrote...

'Synthesis' is BS all the way down.

Doesn't even make sense from a 'pure fantasy' standpoint.

As pure fantasy? Sure it does, to me. You ever dreamed about talking chinchillas that swarmed over entire cities nibbling people and overwhelming them with pure cuteness?

It makes perfect sense.

[Xellith]

WvStolzing wrote...

'Synthesis' is BS all the way down.

Doesn't even make sense from a 'pure fantasy' standpoint.

They had to add that option to make the rapists happy.  Seriously I see the synthesis option as rape - rape with space magic.

[Artking3]

Iucounou wrote...

Wait... doesn't Joker still have a limp after he's been cyborgified?

You'd think, if you were going to be made half-man, half machine, that you'd at least get the broken bits replaced first.

So now he's partly mechanical AND still has that brittle bone disease. That's gotta hurt.

Pure laziness by BW.

Modifié par Artking3, 19 mars 2012 - 12:40 .

[PurpleWhisper]

Iucounou wrote...

PurpleWhisper wrote...

Thanks, this is why i'm glad I found this thread, to know im not alone in my frustrations. In dragon age we had the option to die a hero or to live and run off with the LI and there were many others endings to. To know how easily they could have catered for everyone and just chose not to makes it all the more disappointing. After 3 games I think Shep deserves a chance at a happier ending.

I wouldn't have minded if they had made me buy extra DLC, do every possible mission perfectly, play that damnable multiplayer to death and just about any other hoop-jumping exercise you can think of to get it.

Just to know it WAS possible to get that ending, if I really wanted it, would have been fine with me.

Instead, they went with:

Option 1 - Goof off, ignore the missions, play badly......get ending A.

Option 2 - Play normally..... get ending A

Option 3 - Play like a Trojan, do everything you can, make a real effort......get ending A

It's this that winds me up the most, especially after they promised us so much.

To deliver so little.....it still burns, even days later.

So totally agree. They could so easily have given us the option in just *one* of the possible outcomes. I dont care if they made it hard work to get. Just to know it was in there and possible if you wanted it would have been enough. Its the first time Bioware has let me down and a week later i still can't shake it.

[WvStolzing]

DJBare wrote...
I'd rather they understand than continue in ignorance, I believe it's up to us to give them the information, everyone is entitled to their own opinion no matter how much we disagree, but if we set them straight by letting them know we are not trying to take away the ending they enjoyed then perhaps they will join us.

I highly doubt that he meant that question. Looks like an obvious troll to me.

We keep getting these people who pop up out of nowhere, ask a bunch of intentionally irritating questions, and then get lost.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

Prince Lex wrote...

ATTENTION TROOPS. This is your first hourly reminder to:

VOTE IN IGN'S FACEBOOK POLL ABOUT THE ENDING! - https://www.facebook...50639359051633/

If we maintain a majority vote they cannot trash us in their next post regarding the matter. Vote vote vote!

Thanks for that.  I wouldn't have known about it otherwise.

[IndustrializedTaco]

Xyalon wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Computim wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

Spanking Machine wrote...

When that shockwave caught up with the Normandy it was damaging enought to knock it out of the sky, so no matter what color of space magic it was it was obviously destructive.

Ahh, yes but at that time the Normandy, too, was travelling at conventional FTL (as depicted by doppler shift surrounding it). Now if we assume that anything travelling at FTL is, to all intents and purposes, more like a wave form than conventional matter, when another wave form travelling at a slightly higher frequency catches up to it there will be wave interaction and interference. This is most likey going to happen where the two meet (at the rear of the ship) which is where the engines are kept. As such, the engines would have been damaged, the Normandy would have dropped out of FTL, intertial dampers would have kicked in and, miraculously stranded in a system with an M-class planet with a nitrogen/oxygen atmosphere devoid of microscopic, anaphalactic shock inducing algae, woiuld have been able to secure an emergency re-entry and landing with the use of conventional thrusters.

I love your subtle use of space magic there haha.  I'm going to go way out of my norm and actually allow your technobabble (excellent use of it by the way, you sound like a fellow trekkie rofl).
Having no engines would make landing safely difficult no?  I would imagine being kicked out of FTL would probably not help the matter.

Guess it just reinforces our collective belieft that when you have to make more assumptions than a string theory hypothesis it probably means your ending doesn't really pass the smell test haha.

Shouldn't the Normandy have exploded on the planet? I mean not only does the Normandy still monumental amounts of momentum, but Re-entry into a planets atmosphere, assuming it's atmosphere matches Earth Burn up. Or in the very least leave a giant crater where the Normandy landed? I mean the Normandy was still intact, and it looked like it had a pretty soft landing compared to what physics says.

Well, that depends on how long it took for them to decelerate. The reason FTL is possible is that the ships mass is reduced to such an extent that the thrust provided by the engines can accelerate the ship to FTL velocities. However, the inertia and momentum will stay the same, so if the ship suddenly gains mass, conservation of momentum implies that it must slow down because otherwise you are creating energy from nothing, which is impossible.

So, we know that the ship is moving at conventional speeds, probably quite slowly in fact, so effective re-entry would be achieveable, and the heat caused by re-entry would not be an issue for ship ablative plating which is designed to withstand laser damage from fighters. There SHOULD be a skid mark ploughed into the jungle behind them but...well...maybe Joker is better than we give him credit for. Or they have retro thrusters.

I can't find an argument against this I'm trying but I don't have a background in physics unfortunatly I know very little. Good job sir.

[Hydralysk]

WvStolzing wrote...

'Synthesis' is BS all the way down.

Doesn't even make sense from a 'pure fantasy' standpoint.

Unfortunately it's the only option if you don't want to kill EDI and aren't dumb enough to do exactly what you've been saying is a terrible idea since the beginning of the game.

[Iucounou]

WvStolzing wrote...

DJBare wrote...
I'd rather they understand than continue in ignorance, I believe it's up to us to give them the information, everyone is entitled to their own opinion no matter how much we disagree, but if we set them straight by letting them know we are not trying to take away the ending they enjoyed then perhaps they will join us.

I highly doubt that he meant that question. Looks like an obvious troll to me.

We keep getting these people who pop up out of nowhere, ask a bunch of intentionally irritating questions, and then get lost.

At least they contribute to the post count, I suppose. Unintentionally, they are helping us hold the line.

[Bionic Weapon]

Xellith wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

'Synthesis' is BS all the way down.

Doesn't even make sense from a 'pure fantasy' standpoint.

They had to add that option to make the rapists happy.  Seriously I see the synthesis option as rape - rape with space magic.

Whoa dude that is kind of dark. What made you think that?

[Jason76]

Computim wrote...

Who is the reaper twitter dude hahahaha.. I'm seriously laughing harder than listening to Chris Rock here hahahaha.

Harby rocks. rofl. Laughing tears here. And when playing ME2 I now always have to think of this and can't take Harbinger serious anymore 

[DJBare]

WvStolzing wrote...

I highly doubt that he meant that question. Looks like an obvious troll to me.

We keep getting these people who pop up out of nowhere, ask a bunch of intentionally irritating questions, and then get lost.

You might be right, but lets err on the side of caution and not treat them as such, remember it's against the forum rules to call anyone a troll.

[mrderp27]

DoubleDHZ wrote...

I don't get it. So does everyone want a stupid hollywood-esque happy ending?

Personally I like the ending. And I wouldn't want to have it changed.

Open endings are way better, because there is room of speculation & interpretation instead of some forced plot...

i want an ending that's not full of inconsistencies and plot holes. liking the speculation that the ending creates is supporting lazy writing, in my opinion

[The Big Palooka]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

It crossed my mind that Synthesis is a deception, everyone is now a reaper.

That's what I was thinking.
Destroy- Paragon
Control- Inbetweeny
Synthesis-Renegade.

The impression I got:

Control- Paragon (You sacrifice yourself to save the galaxy, synth or bio)
Destroy- Renegade (You destroy the Reapers and all tech based on them; Geth die, quarians suits power down, people suffocate in space)
Synthasis- Utopian Bullcrap (Space Magic Harmony. No more disease, no more hurtful desire; simply understanding and peace. I'm pretty sure I say a unicorn. Then I shot it.)

Yeah, I kinda got this impression too.  Except then there's the fact that playing Paragon up to that precise point involved a whole lot of recoiling at the very notion of controlling the Reapers.

The ending already hurt my feelings, it didn't need to try to make me feel stupid and wrong, too.

[Computim]

Jason76 wrote...

Computim wrote...

Who is the reaper twitter dude hahahaha.. I'm seriously laughing harder than listening to Chris Rock here hahahaha.

Harby rocks. rofl. Laughing tears here. And when playing ME2 I now always have to think of this and can't take Harbinger serious anymore 

The dude has serious stand up comedy potential.. Bioware needs to hire him to do a stand-up comic cameo in one of their DLCs rofl.

[Electric Pig]

Clearly Bioware HAVE to redo the endings. With all this commotion (massive, even by internet standards) they risk losing a hell of allot of their fanbase.

But I expect Bioware already had a dlc plan. So now they have to reorganize it so they can make some proper endings and try to appease this massive movement against them.

Keep this sort of bad press up we might even get it for free (unlikely, but you never know) :3

Hold the line.
Like a boss.

[Benathorn]

Jason76 wrote...

Computim wrote...

Who is the reaper twitter dude hahahaha.. I'm seriously laughing harder than listening to Chris Rock here hahahaha.

Harby rocks. rofl. Laughing tears here. And when playing ME2 I now always have to think of this and can't take Harbinger serious anymore 

Do you guys have a link to this funny harbringer guy? I don't have a twitter account so I can't really join in on the fun lol

[IndustrializedTaco]

Computim wrote...

Jason76 wrote...

Computim wrote...

Who is the reaper twitter dude hahahaha.. I'm seriously laughing harder than listening to Chris Rock here hahahaha.

Harby rocks. rofl. Laughing tears here. And when playing ME2 I now always have to think of this and can't take Harbinger serious anymore 

The dude has serious stand up comedy potential.. Bioware needs to hire him to do a stand-up comic cameo in one of their DLCs rofl.

Can I has link?

[Xyalon]

DoubleDHZ wrote...

I don't get it. So does everyone want a stupid hollywood-esque happy ending?

Personally I like the ending. And I wouldn't want to have it changed.

Open endings are way better, because there is room of speculation & interpretation instead of some forced plot...

Because MY Shepard. The Shepard I dedicated hundreds of hours playing, going to every planet and following a grid based search pattern in the Mako in ME1, visiting every planet in ME2, and Getting just shy of 7000 EMS without betraying his beliefs, would have found another way.

He would have not, at the last minute when Anderson is dead and the Earth is in flames, gone "mmmm okay, whatever you say, star child. I don't know what to do so I'll let you tell me". Mine would have reasoned with him. He's an intelligent being, no? Surely they could see the error of their ways and why the stupid explanation behind their behaviour was flawed.

And if not, then he'd refuse and order the fleet to kick the crap out of every reaper there, one ship at a time, starting with the citadel.

The thing is, this IS not an open ending. You may think it is, but it really isn't. The reason being, we aren't even given rigid facts upon which to base an open ending. There are too many holes that make no sense, and without proper basis, any speculation is going to be inherently flawed. This isn't an open ending. This is a book without not just an Epilogue, but without the last chapter.

We're not insisting it is re-written. We are insisting that we are given the choice to have an ending which our character worked for. If I'm looking for non-reward based strife, I shall seek employment. If I'm looking for resignation to a bitter end, I'll read the news or speak to an average member of the public. If I want to enjoy something, I'll play something that either allows me to end where I want to end, or at least provides me with some closure so that I know that my efforts were not in vain.

Even Dear Esther, a game that is depressing from the outset, gives you bloody closure.

[VonVerrikan]

Yuoaman wrote...

DoubleDHZ wrote...

I don't get it. So does everyone want a stupid hollywood-esque happy ending?

Personally I like the ending. And I wouldn't want to have it changed.

Open endings are way better, because there is room of speculation & interpretation instead of some forced plot...

We want additional endings that give our Shepard's closure. And how was the ending of ME3 open? You got forced along one of three paths when we were promised that this would most definitely not be the ase - and what we did along the way would change the ending.

We don't want a happy-go-lucky ending, we want an actual end to Shepard's story that fits our Shepard's character.

We? You don't speak for me. I want a happy ending, since that fits my Shepard just fine. 

[A Paperback Hero]

Dude! How can you guys not like ending. Plotholes and Deus ex Machina are 4 speculations!

Machina boy is my hero he gave me some much closure!





How would you respond to someone saying that?

[mrderp27]

Benathorn wrote...

Jason76 wrote...

Computim wrote...

Who is the reaper twitter dude hahahaha.. I'm seriously laughing harder than listening to Chris Rock here hahahaha.

Harby rocks. rofl. Laughing tears here. And when playing ME2 I now always have to think of this and can't take Harbinger serious anymore 

Do you guys have a link to this funny harbringer guy? I don't have a twitter account so I can't really join in on the fun lol

https://twitter.com/#!/HarbyTheReaper