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[g_bassi13]

warmonger_16 wrote...

Mastermadskills wrote...

MAJOR UPDATE.

It seems our hold the line tactics are having an effect!

http://www.eurogamer...ed-more-closure

Although the endings are not so bad in my opinion, -especially ''synthesis'' seemed unique- you guys are forcing bioware to make new content and may be new endings, answers to holes in story which are all necessary.. Keep it up people.

It may just be me, but I thought that synthesis was the worst of all the endings. It makes the least sense, and flies the hardest in the face of everything that led to that point.

[Xyalon]

silencemayday wrote...

wow. what did i miss? 

austrian infiltrators reporting in. ready to hold the line.
supply has issued us quite a lot of coffee so get it while it's hot. 

Not much groundbreaking news. Statement issued then backtracked as was misleading. Same old stuff.

I'll have a strong black coffee please.

[nitefyre410]

SkaldFish wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

But in all seriousness, the AI-argument is totally irrelevant here. Of course they have the right to not to change it, they have right not to add to it, they have right to stand by it and they have right to live with the consequences.

It's more relevant to ask WHAT they want to do and achieve. It's perfectly clear that if they want to please fans (and by spirits do I hate the word please here, but you get what I'm trying to say), they should do something about "the ending". If they want to keep the franchise alive, they should do something about "the ending".

If they feel that in order to do this they have to sacrifice AI, well, tough cookies, it's a matter of choice, since not only is ME a piece of art (by some definitions), it's also business.

//
also: AI =/= other people have to like it.

So true. What's funny is that, by the time a product like ME3 is released, creative freedom has been "compromised" so many times, in manager's offices and conference rooms, that only irate apologists think there's anything left to defend.

 

Honestly the don't have to sacfrice their "AI" -  what about a happy ending is so  bad that is not considered artistic. What about having multiple endings from Happy to Bittersweet  to Sad to Tragic  to Reapers win is not artistic.  A  Happy Ending is just  as deep and compelling a Sad one  because its about what the Protaginst learns about themselves in the climax that gets across to the viewer/reader/player.  Full Metal Alchemst Brotherhood had an happy ending and it thoughtfull ending . Ed at the end realizes that using Alchemy to try and bring his mother back was just trying to fill void left by her death.   When he faces the entity at the  Gate of Truth he offers  his Gate of Truth because he does not  need the power to fill that viod anymore... he has all the people he meet along the way.    



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Modifié par nitefyre410, 19 mars 2012 - 11:57 .

[Iucounou]

I wonder if any of the other game publishers will seize the opportunity here to promote their games around ME3's failure.

I'm thinking of advertising blurb along the lines of:

"Disappointed with a certain other space rpg? Why not try (insert game name here)! We promise you our ending won't fall flat on its face!"

BW/EA's misery must be making the others consider things like this, surely?

[TumblingBumblebee]

I caution everyone to take any statement from Bioware and its employees with due care, until they will openly say what they plan to do. Let's not be hasty in interpreting everything they say as a "yes they are going to do it!".

Once again I repost this, please read it carefully (even if it got quite long...):

EA/Bioware PR damage control's analysis by atghunter:
http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1

Keep it civil and hold the line!

[Xyalon]

SkaldFish wrote...

When Good Games Go Bad

"But then me and Casey talked and decided, let's keep the conversation 'High level' - give you the details that you need to know, but don't get into the stuff that you don't need to know." - Mac Walters

I know this is from dated stuff released by 3rd party, but even if this statement is 6 months old it has NO place in a BioWare game development discussion unless preceeded with "you'll never guess what he said" and followed by raucous laughter.

Following this train of thought to the logical conclusion, the game may as well be:

"We need you to do this."
"Why?"
"To save the galaxy."
"How is that going to help?"
"Doesn't matter, just do it!"
"Mmmmokay."


Come to think of it, that's kinda what the conclusion of the game was like. Apart from it wasn't remotely logical.

Modifié par Xyalon, 19 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Iucounou wrote...

I wonder if any of the other game publishers will seize the opportunity here to promote their games around ME3's failure.

I'm thinking of advertising blurb along the lines of:

"Disappointed with a certain other space rpg? Why not try (insert game name here)! We promise you our ending won't fall flat on its face!"

BW/EA's misery must be making the others consider things like this, surely?

They might think about it but I don't think they would ever do it. It could easily come back to smack them in the face.

[Misterdde45000]

Misterdde aboard of the SSV amazon, reporting in.

Any news since yesterday ?

[Xyalon]

xHezz90 wrote...

Iucounou wrote...

I wonder if any of the other game publishers will seize the opportunity here to promote their games around ME3's failure.

I'm thinking of advertising blurb along the lines of:

"Disappointed with a certain other space rpg? Why not try (insert game name here)! We promise you our ending won't fall flat on its face!"

BW/EA's misery must be making the others consider things like this, surely?

They might think about it but I don't think they would ever do it. It could easily come back to smack them in the face.

Also, that might fly in America, but in the UK it's illegal to advertise your product to the detriment of another product by a different company. Not sure what it's like in other countries.

[Sevantha]

tangalin wrote...

Oh god... my friend... he's indoctrinated... he believes he got a good ending... I feel so bad for him... not being able to recognize when he is being taken advantage of...

I feel for you Luckily all of my friends who played, hated the ending.
Is there any cure for indoctrination btw? ^^

[nitefyre410]

Iucounou wrote...

I wonder if any of the other game publishers will seize the opportunity here to promote their games around ME3's failure.

I'm thinking of advertising blurb along the lines of:

"Disappointed with a certain other space rpg? Why not try (insert game name here)! We promise you our ending won't fall flat on its face!"

BW/EA's misery must be making the others consider things like this, surely?

 

You know whas coming out soon  Binary Domain... I think Sega might be licking their chops.   Square Enix is mostly  sittiing back watching quietly. Cacpom is most like paying a lot attention considering Dragon Dogma maybe a shot a Dragon Age and Skyrim.  The makers of the Witcher probrablly watching with them getting ready to break into the console market soon. 

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Sevantha wrote...

tangalin wrote...

Oh god... my friend... he's indoctrinated... he believes he got a good ending... I feel so bad for him... not being able to recognize when he is being taken advantage of...

I feel for you Luckily all of my friends who played, hated the ending.
Is there any cure for indoctrination btw? ^^

The only thing I can think of is a bullet to the brain, I mean I am not being mean or anything but both Saren and TIM blow their brains out to fight the indoctrination

[TamiBx]

 Good morning~!
(If you're in America) 

So, I remember Mass Effect twitter saying something about DLC not happening, and then I went to bed and woke up with a friend posting on my fb wall about a post Mass Effect facebook made...? 
So, it was a bot? Yay? 

[silencemayday]

Xyalon wrote...

silencemayday wrote...

wow. what did i miss? 

austrian infiltrators reporting in. ready to hold the line.
supply has issued us quite a lot of coffee so get it while it's hot. 

Not much groundbreaking news. Statement issued then backtracked as was misleading. Same old stuff.

I'll have a strong black coffee please.

yeah, just caught up with that. still not sure what i'm supposed to think about the statement though. sounds.. kind of.. off. but okay. better than nothing. 

and yes, help yourself.

[BlackDevil06]

Iucounou wrote...

I wonder if any of the other game publishers will seize the opportunity here to promote their games around ME3's failure.

Usually if you advertise your products, you focus on your products strong aspects, not the failure of another product. With that you involuntarily advertise for that product. You don't want that. If you do it at all, you have to be very, very, very sublte about it. But since somebody will always find out about it, you better eliminate the risk by not doing it at all.

[onionbeave]

Very new to the forum, I would like to add my voice to the cause.

Whilst I still love Bioware I am sad to say they have essentially ruined A fantastic series with a faltering effort toward the ending. I have faith Bioware can do better than that and whilst 98% of the game was fantastic it was unfortunately ruined by the last ten minutes.

I hope Bioware give a more fitting ending than the one they have given. Not necessarily a joyfull one but one that ties the story up fully. I was expecting such an epic conclusion but was met by a child with 3 choices and after doing my resarch this is the case no matter what youve done throughout the game and so all choices become null and void.

This is SSV Rugeley reporting in and holding the line,

[g_bassi13]

Misterdde45000 wrote...

Misterdde aboard of the SSV amazon, reporting in.

Any news since yesterday ?

There was a statement released from the Mass Effect Facebook page stating that they had no plans for an endings DLC as of now.

This was quickly deleted, and an apology was issued, stating that there was a miscommunication of sorts, that a single person misspoke, and that they're still listening to all fan feedback.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 19 mars 2012 - 12:07 .

[nitefyre410]

TamiBx wrote...

 Good morning~!
(If you're in America) 

So, I remember Mass Effect twitter saying something about DLC not happening, and then I went to bed and woke up with a friend posting on my fb wall about a post Mass Effect facebook made...? 
So, it was a bot? Yay? 

 

Good Morning. 

Nope someone at Bioware messed up and Jessica had to make a  quick PR rejection of  the statement... "Someone mispoke"  

You know when the phrase gets thrown around someone  dun goofed.  

[Calesca]

Back again.
Any news here?

Hold the line.

[Xyalon]

silencemayday wrote...

yeah, just caught up with that. still not sure what i'm supposed to think about the statement though. sounds.. kind of.. off. but okay. better than nothing. 

and yes, help yourself.

Thanks.

To be honest I don't really think it's anything, it's negated so carefully that we're basically back to square one. The fact that they are slippig up like this, however, means that they getting clumsy. And people usually get clumsy when they are under pressure. So, in a way, we're making progress.

[BlackDevil06]

TamiBx wrote...

 Good morning~!
(If you're in America) 

So, I remember Mass Effect twitter saying something about DLC not happening, and then I went to bed and woke up with a friend posting on my fb wall about a post Mass Effect facebook made...? 
So, it was a bot? Yay? 

Jessica Merizan described the person, if I remember correctly, as a "misinformed individual". At the moment nothing is clear.  The option for a futere ending dlc is still there, just like the option for no ending dlc at all.

[elirian_19]

g_bassi13 wrote...

It may just be me, but I thought that synthesis was the worst of all the endings. It makes the least sense, and flies the hardest in the face of everything that led to that point.

The synthesis ending was the worst one for me too. I literally went "lolwut" and then facepalmed. And then I facepalmed some more.

Then the rage hit. <_<

[Irishkev]

Yeah the fact that he says some fans need more closure is BS. because clearly they aint paying attention if they came up with that. Not some fans but most want more closure but that aint the issue. The issue is there is no closure and the big massive plot hole in the game that make no sense.

I would love them to defend the ending heck answer are questions. Why does commander shep accept the god child as truth when we have prove he is wrong.

Why is the normandy in another system far away from the battle and running away from the green/blue/red light.

What happen to the dark energy threroy throught out the entire game heck http://masseffect.wi...di-Gel_Sabotage one of the last side quest before cerbus even mentions the weapon functions with dark energy.

Why is the crew I had on eartth (Not my LI) appearing on normandy and are so happy that shep is dead and they are stranded on a planet.

Why is destroying the mass relay always the outcome as it wipes out the entier system as established by your Arrival DLC.

What about all the aliens trapped in the sol system they will starve and die heck if I was them I kill the humans for making that happen so either way we never take back earth.

[Misterdde45000]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Misterdde45000 wrote...

Misterdde aboard of the SSV amazon, reporting in.

Any news since yesterday ?

There was a statement released from the Mass Effect Facebook page stating that they had no plans for an endings DLC as of now.

This was quickly deleted, and an apology was issued, stating that there was a miscommunication of sorts, that a single person misspoke, and that they're still listening to all fan feedback.

At least we now know that they didn't wanted to issue an ending DLC in the first place. Just have to hold the line and persuade them change their plan i guess :innocent:

[DJBare]

onionbeave wrote...

Very new to the forum, I would like to add my voice to the cause.

Whilst I still love Bioware I am sad to say they have essentially ruined A fantastic series with a faltering effort toward the ending. I have faith Bioware can do better than that and whilst 98% of the game was fantastic it was unfortunately ruined by the last ten minutes.

I hope Bioware give a more fitting ending than the one they have given. Not necessarily a joyfull one but one that ties the story up fully. I was expecting such an epic conclusion but was met by a child with 3 choices and after doing my resarch this is the case no matter what youve done throughout the game and so all choices become null and void.

This is SSV Rugeley reporting in and holding the line,

Welcome to the line onionbeave, stow your gear and get comfortable, no shooting until the attack order is given!

onionbeaves post should be noted by everyone, we are not at war with Bioware, this is still the negotiation stage.