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[BuddhaGeek]

*retracted for the sake of peace*

Modifié par BuddhaGeek, 19 mars 2012 - 02:22 .

[Alamandorious]

http://www.facebook....44005192318904/
...well, considering the 'Retake' movement got thousands of members in the same time period as this one was formed, I hardly consider this a threat.

If they catch up to us suddenly, that's another matter.

[VonVerrikan]

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

BuddhaGeek wrote...

 On a slightly unrelated note, did anyone else get a slight feeling of dread when Vega showed up?

I swear to God, when I saw him, this is what was going through my mind, "Please don't let him be a gay option, please don't let him be a gay option....please don't lump the overly muscled, steroid-injected gym hunk in with us....."

I felt more relieved when I found out he was straight than I think I rightfully should have lol

Ah, I don't know.
I find nothing wrong in having an option, you know?

I admit that I had some conerns about Vega, but he turned out to be really nice.
I like him.

For the love of the spirits, man. Let's make sure this thread doesn't get de-railed with homophobic comments of all things. As a gay man, I really don't want my fight to Hold the Line taken out of me because the community chose to act childish in the last minute. That's like the Mass Effect 3 endings in the first place.

[Neezoy]

BuddhaGeek wrote...

 On a slightly unrelated note, did anyone else get a slight feeling of dread when Vega showed up?

I swear to God, when I saw him, this is what was going through my mind, "Please don't let him be a gay option, please don't let him be a gay option....please don't lump the overly muscled, steroid-injected gym hunk in with us....."

I felt more relieved when I found out he was straight than I think I rightfully should have lol

I was actually quite pleasantly surprised by Vega. I was sure when he was first introduced (before the release) that I wouldn't like him, but eventually I did, more than I thought. I love his party banter. I actually wouldn't have minded him being a romance, for either male or female Shepards (or both). Not sure I would have used the option, but still


EDIT: Now back on topic. Still holding the line.

Modifié par Neezoy, 19 mars 2012 - 02:23 .

[Alamandorious]

BuddhaGeek wrote...


I kind of like him as well, but there was just something that just made my eye twitch. I have no idea why. I guess I just fear stereotypes of any sort <_<

I liked Vega; at first  I thought he was nothing but a muscle head...well, he was a muscle head...but at the very least he did have depth.

I loved it when I had the conversation about his N7 recruitment, and the reasons why he was afraid about it...

That was pretty cool.

[Iucounou]

wicked_being wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

It would have been interesting if there was some conflict between possible LIs, maybe.
Kinda like in DA:Origins.

Not to mention, that this was among the things promised pre-release!

It was? *adds it to the list of Betrayal* 

Yeah they said ME1 and ME2 romance will compete for Shepard's attention.

Well, both Ashley and Miranda threw themselves at me in ME3. Does that count as competing

Seriously though, I expected more friction between the two, but they were never even in the same room.

[Tychondrus5]

ReaverT wrote...

Guys, check this out, looks like we have our "anty Retake MassEffect3" movement.

http://www.facebook....44005192318904/

As expected, barely anyone agrees with this. We completely overshadow them. 
Of course they're entitled to their opinion, so that's all I have to say on the matter.

[BuddhaGeek]

VonVerrikan wrote...

For the love of the spirits, man. Let's make sure this thread doesn't get de-railed with homophobic comments of all things. As a gay man, I really don't want my fight to Hold the Line taken out of me because the community chose to act childish in the last minute. That's like the Mass Effect 3 endings in the first place.

Oh fine, fine. I retract my previous statement.

Modifié par BuddhaGeek, 19 mars 2012 - 02:22 .

[WvStolzing]

Atrocity wrote...
it's really important not to get into a flame war with people with different opinions.

...but, what if those different opinions are plain false? or flat-out BS?

People who belch BS whenever they open their mouths actually exploit the good will of people who respect their right to voice their opinions.

[Jere85]

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

ReaverT wrote...

Guys, check this out, looks like we have our "anty Retake MassEffect3" movement.

http://www.facebook....44005192318904/

Oh well, they have a right to their opinions.
Thing is, they are 24 people.
We are lots.

i lolled. 24 members... we are LEGION!

[mulder1199]

VonVerrikan wrote...

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

BuddhaGeek wrote...

 On a slightly unrelated note, did anyone else get a slight feeling of dread when Vega showed up?

I swear to God, when I saw him, this is what was going through my mind, "Please don't let him be a gay option, please don't let him be a gay option....please don't lump the overly muscled, steroid-injected gym hunk in with us....."

I felt more relieved when I found out he was straight than I think I rightfully should have lol

Ah, I don't know.
I find nothing wrong in having an option, you know?

I admit that I had some conerns about Vega, but he turned out to be really nice.
I like him.

For the love of the spirits, man. Let's make sure this thread doesn't get de-railed with homophobic comments of all things. As a gay man, I really don't want my fight to Hold the Line taken out of me because the community chose to act childish in the last minute. That's like the Mass Effect 3 endings in the first place.

there was no homophobia there....but the sentiment is true.....we are starting to get mentioned in more publications (major publications like usa today) for our resolve, keep it up

[BuddhaGeek]

Jere85 wrote...

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

ReaverT wrote...

Guys, check this out, looks like we have our "anty Retake MassEffect3" movement.

http://www.facebook....44005192318904/

Oh well, they have a right to their opinions.
Thing is, they are 24 people.
We are lots.

i lolled. 24 members... we are LEGION!

I kind of feel sorry for them actually hehe

[TJWWE2007]

BuddhaGeek wrote...

VonVerrikan wrote...

For the love of the spirits, man. Let's make sure this thread doesn't get de-railed with homophobic comments of all things. As a gay man, I really don't want my fight to Hold the Line taken out of me because the community chose to act childish in the last minute. That's like the Mass Effect 3 endings in the first place.

Oh fine, fine. I retract my previous statement.

Thanks. The last thing we need is to fight amongst our selves. That's the only way we can be beat.

[LadyMarisa]

WvStolzing wrote...

Atrocity wrote...
it's really important not to get into a flame war with people with different opinions.

...but, what if those different opinions are plain false? or flat-out BS?

People who belch BS whenever they open their mouths actually exploit the good will of people who respect their right to voice their opinions.

Perhaps but in sinking to their level it does us more harm than any temporary good it could do. Whatever their opinions may be, what makes this movement so strong is that *we* have been respectful towards everyone else. Even those who make completely false statements. I agree that we need to continue to be respectful of our detractors, it takes some of the wind out of their sails.

[Nilofeliu]

Mortensus wrote...

Seriously, the problem of the bad end etc, i could go over, but now it's more than that, they just prove they are absolutely not listening their customers. A bad end is an issue, but now it's just too much... Seriously i can't see how now i could ever buy something from ea anymore lol And that's a pitty because they have a lot of amazing games (including me3...but the end)

I agree with yout with all my heart. This is no longer a matter of the ending, this is a matter of principles, and it seems Bioware is lacking on this area too. Their behavior clearly states they don't care about the player base, and they are only listening in an attempt to put down the fires and the outrage created by their product.

According to Hudson the ending was perfect because it left some mistery in it. If they decide to go on like this, they can take all the mistery in the world and keep it, since no fan will want to buy another game from them. Right now I believe the question Bioware should be asking themselves (not the CEO, but the holders) isn't whether or not to make a new ending, but whether or not they should change their CEO.

Alienating the player base (customer) is never a good choice, and to be vocal about their complaints and worries is even worse. And so far that's all Bioware has been doing. They first tried to silence us indirectly, using the media industry and gaming sites (paid gaming sites imho) and they failed. This worked against them by bringing serious and respectables sites and journalists to our site, such as FORBES.

Then they tried to placate us with tweets and rumors, giving us false hopes but without actually confirming anything, but it didn't silence us either. Finally they "release" that piece about how the ending was created (I will be danmed if Bioware didn't at least suggest them to release those notes) in order to dishearten us, but it only brought an even greater uproar from an outraged community.

When it all failed, they went into damage control mode and starter to "listen" to our feedbacks, but again it didn't turn out as they expected. They wanted only the positive feedback on the game and instead, they were hit by waves of negative feedback.

By each passing moment now the media is more in our side, not because we are entitled to the game or anything, but because pleasing the customers and delivering what the fan base really wants should be any companie's main concern. The media no longer addresses us as "haters" or "kids" or any of the other less charitable names some sites called us. Now they address the real problem, and the issue is a good game with sub par ending that just didn't meet the standards of any rational thinking being.

When it all began I had little hope that Bioware would do anything regarding the endings, DLC or not, but now, with all the support we have gained, it might just come to that. However, ending or not, more than anything, I still want a public apology from Bioware for delivering  a poor unfinished and unpolished game. They must acknowledge their mistakes and pay for it (as in an apology), otherwise even if they make the DLC to appease the community, the trust and respect they once had from us players will still remain tarnished.

/Salute

And holding the line..

[ReaverT]

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

ReaverT wrote...

Guys, check this out, looks like we have our "anty Retake MassEffect3" movement.

http://www.facebook....44005192318904/

Oh well, they have a right to their opinions.
Thing is, they are 24 people.
We are lots.

True, but is the tone of the group that itches me. Fact is they say The petitioners do not speak for all fans"... As if we were just a few "angry little childrens demanding a little ponny happy ending".

Someone should tell that guy that, yeah, we do not speak for all fans... just the whole majority of them. And they call us "entitled"... look who's talking now.

[BuddhaGeek]

TJWWE2007 wrote...

BuddhaGeek wrote...

VonVerrikan wrote...

For the love of the spirits, man. Let's make sure this thread doesn't get de-railed with homophobic comments of all things. As a gay man, I really don't want my fight to Hold the Line taken out of me because the community chose to act childish in the last minute. That's like the Mass Effect 3 endings in the first place.

Oh fine, fine. I retract my previous statement.

Thanks. The last thing we need is to fight amongst our selves. That's the only way we can be beat.

I can occasionally be a reasonable man 

[Conspicuous Cake]

VonVerrikan wrote...

For the love of the spirits, man. Let's make sure this thread doesn't get de-railed with homophobic comments of all things. As a gay man, I really don't want my fight to Hold the Line taken out of me because the community chose to act childish in the last minute. That's like the Mass Effect 3 endings in the first place.

This here, people. ^

[mulder1199]

LadyMarisa wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

Atrocity wrote...
it's really important not to get into a flame war with people with different opinions.

...but, what if those different opinions are plain false? or flat-out BS?

People who belch BS whenever they open their mouths actually exploit the good will of people who respect their right to voice their opinions.

Perhaps but in sinking to their level it does us more harm than any temporary good it could do. Whatever their opinions may be, what makes this movement so strong is that *we* have been respectful towards everyone else. Even those who make completely false statements. I agree that we need to continue to be respectful of our detractors, it takes some of the wind out of their sails.

if you are to respond to anybody with a differing opinion, i generally would start with 'i'm glad you liked it'

[BCMakoto]

What I write now came from a friend of mine today and me speaking of the endings. Only wanted to share his and my opinion...

I think that there was no one speaking "Wrong in Biowares name.". The statement was well placed and on purpose made. With that heavy backfire in merely a few hours, they simply had to take it down again.

What we now got is a situation like this:

Bioware/EA has two options, to Synthetize and to destroy.

Destroy would mean that they keep ignoring us, that they simply say: "You know, 90% of the people we made the game for are actually not important.". That would mean that I, as one of those, feel utterly betrayed and that means my money is not even in the slightest worth of spending on future Bioware or EA games. Then I will also cancel my SW:ToR, as I do not see any reason to keep the sub up to give money to them.

What there actually is now is not just a small amount of people, but nearly everyone, upset with the end. We were promised 16 different endings, what we got was one ending, minor changes here and there. That actually means you lied to us, badly. I would not go as far as filling a FTC complain, but I would sure think four times in the future before even thinking of purchasing any game that is only related to EA or Bioware.

Another statement which I do not agree with is: "To such a story, there has to be a bittersweet ending.". Bittersweet does in no way mean: "Blow up the Mass relays, give billions into starvation, make your squadmates defect and create such a massive plothole.". Did you think that, considering Shepard is reunited with his LI, it still can be a bitter ending? For example, Anderson throws himself into the fire, yelling something, or showing the countless masses of people beeing killes in the space-battle?
Even if Shepard survives, there will NEVER be a "Happy" end, as so many people died for it.(Mordin,Thane,Nihlus,Saren (If Paragon.) ). Additionally, I have enough cra* going on in real-life, so I guess people deserve some good faith in games, don't they?

The other option would be synthezise. If Bioware chooses that option, they cooperate with their fans, release a new ending DLC, with multiple new endings based on our decisions (EMS <5000: Shepard lives, maybe heavy casualtys, >5000: He dies and such, we had the ideas.) and , if it will be charged for what I do not hope, they add 25% of the income to Child's Play. That would not only give them a better image, it would satisfy both the fans and the developers. The devs have happy fans and EA gets more money, the fans are happy playing the game again. While I think most of us would still be upset, paying 5$ and from it every time it is purchased 1$ goes to the charity is kind of...well...you can bear with it.

The question is: What should EA refuse the second option for? Yes, of course it would cost money to develop new content, write it, get the voice actors back, the animations and such. But it would rescue EA's and Biowares position. That Mass Effect 3 has got a rating of 2,5/5 stars on amazon is not exactly helping, it shows the opinions are actually way more downwards then upwards. I think large deal to it due to the endings. Now, if the outrage is in fact that big, they should really consider to change something.

"We intended to..." is always nice to say, but the endings you did fitted in no way into the Mass Effect universe. This is something I see often happening to hobby writters in their LARP stories. The character pursues one path exactly, for example beeing a Templar. And suddenly, he changes, becoming the mercenary, without any mention of "Why" and if it is mentioned, it does not make any sense, equal to "I wanted to try, so he is!".

So what we got now is a statement of "We do not plan to change the ending as of now...", which is like pouring oil into a fire, a "Storm" on the forums which is so solid and big that nobody can ignore, newspapers and shows reporting about it, and them beeing in a dark corner, which hopefully they will return from with new endings...not only for our pleasure, but for their sake of sales and income.

So, Hold the Line. Because of my job, I cannot actively join you, but I will donate 25$ to the charity and vote on the poll once. I am behind you.


His thoughts. I think they are interesting. He just wanted them posted.

Modifié par LPKerberos, 19 mars 2012 - 02:27 .

[Tychondrus5]

WvStolzing wrote...

Atrocity wrote...
it's really important not to get into a flame war with people with different opinions.

...but, what if those different opinions are plain false? or flat-out BS?

People who belch BS whenever they open their mouths actually exploit the good will of people who respect their right to voice their opinions.

Opinions cannot be false. That's why they're opinions. You may find them bull****, and that's your opinion. And when you think they 'belch BS' the people saying it most likely do not. (except if they're trolls) All we can do is stand strong, stand together. We're legion, for we're many.

Hold the line.

[LTBK]

Nilofeliu wrote...

Just read this article someone posted a few pages back..

http://www.themetaga...oblem-with.html

If you have not read it yet, do so. It's worthy of your time.

/Salute

Excellent read.

[jedierick]

One of the things I dont think many of the pro ending players are considering, or understanding is that no matter what DLC Bioware brings out for ME3, it will change the ending in one form or another. Take From Ashes as an example, you get war assets from completing this DLC, Having more or better war assets can change the ending of the game. Any other DLC is going to follow the model of adding to your War Assets or your galaxy at war, thus changing the outcome of the ending.

[Iucounou]

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

Ah, I don't know.
I find nothing wrong in having an option, you know?

I admit that I had some conerns about Vega, but he turned out to be really nice.
I like him.

I remember thinking, on seeing him...

"Ah, this is the new Jacob! The character who will be seen, but never used."

And I never did take him on any of the missions where he wasn't automatically included.

[mulder1199]

ReaverT wrote...

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

ReaverT wrote...

Guys, check this out, looks like we have our "anty Retake MassEffect3" movement.

http://www.facebook....44005192318904/

Oh well, they have a right to their opinions.
Thing is, they are 24 people.
We are lots.

True, but is the tone of the group that itches me. Fact is they say The petitioners do not speak for all fans"... As if we were just a few "angry little childrens demanding a little ponny happy ending".

Someone should tell that guy that, yeah, we do not speak for all fans... just the whole majority of them. And they call us "entitled"... look who's talking now.

there's basically 3 groups of people, the ones that didn't like it, the ones that did, and the ones that don't care

that group basically has no chance to get off the ground, they either don't care or are satisfied....no need to have the passion we do if you are satisfied