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BuddhaGeek

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LPKerberos wrote...

What I write now came from a friend of mine today and me speaking of the endings. Only wanted to share his and my opinion...

I think that there was no one speaking "Wrong in Biowares name.". The statement was well placed and on purpose made. With that heavy backfire in merely a few hours, they simply had to take it down again.

What we now got is a situation like this:

Bioware/EA has two options, to Synthetize and to destroy.

Destroy would mean that they keep ignoring us, that they simply say: "You know, 90% of the people we made the game for are actually not important.". That would mean that I, as one of those, feel utterly betrayed and that means my money is not even in the slightest worth of spending on future Bioware or EA games. Then I will also cancel my SW:ToR, as I do not see any reason to keep the sub up to give money to them.

What there actually is now is not just a small amount of people, but nearly everyone, upset with the end. We were promised 16 different endings, what we got was one ending, minor changes here and there. That actually means you lied to us, badly. I would not go as far as filling a FTC complain, but I would sure think four times in the future before even thinking of purchasing any game that is only related to EA or Bioware.

Another statement which I do not agree with is: "To such a story, there has to be a bittersweet ending.". Bittersweet does in no way mean: "Blow up the Mass relays, give billions into starvation, make your squadmates defect and create such a massive plothole.". Did you think that, considering Shepard is reunited with his LI, it still can be a bitter ending? For example, Anderson throws himself into the fire, yelling something, or showing the countless masses of people beeing killes in the space-battle?
Even if Shepard survives, there will NEVER be a "Happy" end, as so many people died for it.(Mordin,Thane,Nihlus,Saren (If Paragon.) ). Additionally, I have enough cra* going on in real-life, so I guess people deserve some good faith in games, don't they?

The other option would be synthezise. If Bioware chooses that option, they cooperate with their fans, release a new ending DLC, with multiple new endings based on our decisions (EMS <5000: Shepard lives, maybe heavy casualtys, >5000: He dies and such, we had the ideas.) and , if it will be charged for what I do not hope, they add 25% of the income to Child's Play. That would not only give them a better image, it would satisfy both the fans and the developers. The devs have happy fans and EA gets more money, the fans are happy playing the game again. While I think most of us would still be upset, paying 5$ and from it every time it is purchased 1$ goes to the charity is kind of...well...you can bear with it.

The question is: What should EA refuse the second option for? Yes, of course it would cost money to develop new content, write it, get the voice actors back, the animations and such. But it would rescue EA's and Biowares position. That Mass Effect 3 has got a rating of 2,5/5 stars on amazon is not exactly helping, it shows the opinions are actually way more downwards then upwards. I think large deal to it due to the endings. Now, if the outrage is in fact that big, they should really consider to change something.

"We intended to..." is always nice to say, but the endings you did fitted in no way into the Mass Effect universe. This is something I see often happening to hobby writters in their LARP stories. The character pursues one path exactly, for example beeing a Templar. And suddenly, he changes, becoming the mercenary, without any mention of "Why" and if it is mentioned, it does not make any sense, equal to "I wanted to try, so he is!".

So what we got now is a statement of "We do not plan to change the ending as of now...", which is like pouring oil into a fire, a "Storm" on the forums which is so solid and big that nobody can ignore, newspapers and shows reporting about it, and them beeing in a dark corner, which hopefully they will return from with new endings...not only for our pleasure, but for their sake of sales and income.

So, Hold the Line. Because of my job, I cannot actively join you, but I will donate 25$ to the charity and vote on the poll once. I am behind you.


His thoughts. I think they are interesting. He just wanted them posted.



You know, that's a good point. I'd be willing to buy a DLC if part of it went to charity. It would, strategically, be good for them and would save face in the long run

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ReaverT wrote...

True, but is the tone of the group that itches me. Fact is they say The petitioners do not speak for all fans"... As if we were just a few "angry little childrens demanding a little ponny happy ending".

Someone should tell that guy that, yeah, we do not speak for all fans... just the whole majority of them. And they call us "entitled"... look who's talking now.


Oh well, just let them be.
They might be rude, we are not.
We always remeber to keep it civil.

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VonVerrikan wrote...

For the love of the spirits, man. Let's make sure this thread doesn't get de-railed with homophobic comments of all things. As a gay man, I really don't want my fight to Hold the Line taken out of me because the community chose to act childish in the last minute. That's like the Mass Effect 3 endings in the first place.



Hear hear!

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ReaverT wrote...

True, but is the tone of the group that itches me. Fact is they say The petitioners do not speak for all fans"... As if we were just a few "angry little childrens demanding a little ponny happy ending".

Someone should tell that guy that, yeah, we do not speak for all fans... just the whole majority of them. And they call us "entitled"... look who's talking now.


That is a little annoying. I don't think we've ever made a point of pretending to be representative of all fans. They're entitled to their opinion of course but I get the feeling there are going to be people there who join to complain about us as much as to support the ending. It hasn't taken long for an insult to appear on their wall (complaining about online complaining, in an online group no less).

I won't say any more about that however. Let's let them do their thing and we'll do ours, with respect.

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[quote]Sacred Of the Grey Wardens wrote...

[quote]BuddhaGeek wrote...

 I found these two articles just now regarding Bioware's most recent response to the ending catastrophe. One of them made USA Today!:

http://content.usato.../1#.T2c0WRHy92A 

http://www.examiner....ans-and-bioware
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My favorite from the examiner article!

The visceral reaction so many Mass Effect 3 fans had to the mistakenly made Facebook comment, as well as the fact that it was enough for someone to shake Bioware staff from their beds on a Sunday night/Monday morning, gives hope to those fans who thought the Retake Mass Effect movement might be dying down and losing interest

Continue reading on Examiner.com Denial of new Mass Effect 3 ending shakes up fans and Bioware - Honolulu Video Game | Examiner.com http://www.examiner....e#ixzz1pZad0lMZ

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Conspicuous Cake

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Iucounou wrote...


I remember thinking, on seeing him...

"Ah, this is the new Jacob! The character who will be seen, but never used."

And I never did take him on any of the missions where he wasn't automatically included.


On ME2 I'd only take Garrus and Tali on missions.
But on 3, I kind of took everyone.
I don't know, they all grew on me.

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Tychondrus5 wrote...
Opinions cannot be false. That's why they're opinions. You may find them bull****, and that's your opinion.


'Opinions' are tentative claims to truth, and can indeed be false.

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BuddhaGeek wrote...

 I found these two articles just now regarding Bioware's most recent response to the ending catastrophe. One of them made USA Today!:

http://content.usato.../1#.T2c0WRHy92A 

http://www.examiner....ans-and-bioware


So that's what happened while I was asleep - yea I think whoever at BW posted that is either been fired - or is serious trouble.

BW/EA really screwed up here - this is a PR nightmare now - people were keeping the pressure on - we were being civil and we're going to keep our promises to leave BW and EA behind if they don't fix this.

They now know this threat is very real - they were actually starting to calm people down - but this has refreshed - and given people new resolve.......Thank you BW/ER - you just made

HOLD THE LINE - so much easier.....

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Stay calm, stay civil.

Hold the line.

#46460
Conspicuous Cake

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LPKerberos wrote...

*snip*


I agree with everything in this!

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Conspicuous Cake wrote...

On ME2 I'd only take Garrus and Tali on missions.
But on 3, I kind of took everyone.
I don't know, they all grew on me.


...and then they all died....maybe.

Which is why we are here.

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Iucounou wrote...

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

Ah, I don't know.
I find nothing wrong in having an option, you know?

I admit that I had some conerns about Vega, but he turned out to be really nice.
I like him.


I remember thinking, on seeing him...

"Ah, this is the new Jacob! The character who will be seen, but never used."

And I never did take him on any of the missions where he wasn't automatically included.


This. I didn't dislike him, but I just liked everyone else better.

I did dislike Jacob, but that wasn't his fault. He can't help it that the game made my femshep start flirting with him when I just wanted to be friends.

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evisneffo wrote...

ReaverT wrote...

True, but is the tone of the group that itches me. Fact is they say The petitioners do not speak for all fans"... As if we were just a few "angry little childrens demanding a little ponny happy ending".

Someone should tell that guy that, yeah, we do not speak for all fans... just the whole majority of them. And they call us "entitled"... look who's talking now.


That is a little annoying. I don't think we've ever made a point of pretending to be representative of all fans. They're entitled to their opinion of course but I get the feeling there are going to be people there who join to complain about us as much as to support the ending. It hasn't taken long for an insult to appear on their wall (complaining about online complaining, in an online group no less).

I won't say any more about that however. Let's let them do their thing and we'll do ours, with respect.


Well, I believe the whole purpose of their thing, is to stop us from doing our thing. But it's so much easier to ignore
them.

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I want to defeat someone more intriguing than Marauder Shields as a final opponent, god bless his soul. For Casey to say that a final boss seems too Video Gamey when he works as the director for a video game developer is completely ridiculous and makes me wonder how out of touch with reality he is. And it's not any video game developer. It's Bioware and I'm interested in knowing if any other bioware games have had such a wet firecracker ending.

I know in Jade Empire you can not fight the Emperor and the game ends, but you have to option to defeat him. Did they try to break the mould in ME3?

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Conspicuous Cake wrote...

Iucounou wrote...


I remember thinking, on seeing him...

"Ah, this is the new Jacob! The character who will be seen, but never used."

And I never did take him on any of the missions where he wasn't automatically included.


On ME2 I'd only take Garrus and Tali on missions.
But on 3, I kind of took everyone.
I don't know, they all grew on me.


There's not exactly many to take, lol.

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I don't understand people calling us entitled. If you buy a product and find out its broken, you take it back. You aren't called entitled for doing that. Since retailers won't take back open video games, we are simply asking that it be fixed. I don't see how this makes us entitled.

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Holding the line in Europe.

Haven't played SP or MP since I finished it. Decided against buying another CE - which was gonna go to my gf. Talked two people out of buying the game.

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ReaverT wrote...

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

ReaverT wrote...

Guys, check this out, looks like we have our "anty Retake MassEffect3" movement.

http://www.facebook....44005192318904/


Oh well, they have a right to their opinions.
Thing is, they are 24 people.
We are lots.



True, but is the tone of the group that itches me. Fact is they say The petitioners do not speak for all fans"... As if we were just a few "angry little childrens demanding a little ponny happy ending".

Someone should tell that guy that, yeah, we do not speak for all fans... just the whole majority of them. And they call us "entitled"... look who's talking now.


I respect that they are fighting for what they believe in just like us, funny, it took them 2 weeks to create a fan group =]
Honestly I'm just going to ignore them because again, like Kotaky and IGN, they got their facts wrong. We never said in any sort of medium that we speak for everyone.

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I want to show BioWare that these petitioners and lawsuit harbingers are in fact, a minority to all those who love the Mass Effect series and how it ended. Please get the word out to friends to join, so that we can show that these people do not speak for all of us!"


If we are a minority of the fans, i wonder why Casey Hudson bothered and issued an statement? why magazines like forbes and a bunch of other journals write about how we have the right to be entitled? Why there's so many videos supporting our cause? why theres so many votes declaring that we didn't like the endings? and much more.

I think you guys shouldn't bother with them, if you want to defend our cause be polite. we don't need this kind of attention.
Hold the Line!

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evisneffo

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Let's stay on topic, folks! :)

g_bassi13 wrote...

Well, I believe the whole purpose of their thing, is to stop us from doing our thing. But it's so much easier to ignore
them.


Yeah, I guess so. And yeah ignoring is definitely the best thing to do right now. If they bring a fight onto our front lawn, then we'll do something about it.

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Conspicuous Cake

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Iucounou wrote...

...and then they all died....maybe.

Which is why we are here.


Haha, yeap.

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VonVerrikan wrote...

For the love of the spirits, man. Let's make sure this thread doesn't get de-railed with homophobic comments of all things. As a gay man, I really don't want my fight to Hold the Line taken out of me because the community chose to act childish in the last minute. That's like the Mass Effect 3 endings in the first place.


^This. It's bad enough having to endure this in most places without having it here. Holding the Line is very important, and people need to stop being homophobic because all it does is make me not want to look at this thread. If you need to do it, go do it somewhere else. Otherwise it's completely unneccessary and offensive.

I see that links to the IGN vote haven't been posted in while. For anyone new, it's important that we all vote in IGN's poll, which can be found here.

I'll pop in every once in a while to remind you all to vote!

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jedierick wrote...

One of the things I dont think many of the pro ending players are considering, or understanding is that no matter what DLC Bioware brings out for ME3, it will change the ending in one form or another. Take From Ashes as an example, you get war assets from completing this DLC


Do you have proof that their DLC (if any) will change the ending?  Bioware has not confirmed any changes at all, so I'd be interested to see you source.

Having more or better war assets can change the ending of the game. Any other DLC is going to follow the model of adding to your War Assets or your galaxy at war, thus changing the outcome of the ending.


Again, two issues here: the prevailing sentiment has been that War Assets made little to no difference in the ending at all, so I'm not sure where you're getting this information.  Secondly, you need to provide a source for this; otherwise, it's just speculation.

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Im back, any news?

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g_bassi13 wrote...



Well, I believe the whole purpose of their thing, is to stop us from doing our thing. But it's so much easier to ignore
them.


Which is sad. Their purpose (not that I *want* this, I'm just sayin) should be to gather enough support to keep the endings as is, if that's how they really like them. Our movement is more respectable (imo) because of our goal and it's side benefits. Like no matter the outcome, we've helped do a good thing for Child's Play. What good side benefits can they claim result from their group? (that's a rhetorical question)

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WvStolzing wrote...

Tychondrus5 wrote...
Opinions cannot be false. That's why they're opinions. You may find them bull****, and that's your opinion.


'Opinions' are tentative claims to truth, and can indeed be false.


Don't really want to go off subject and go into discussion here.  But, when an opinion states purported 'facts', it is the fact that can be incorrect. However, your opinion based on erroneous facts is still just an opinion.