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Hydralysk

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Dj14365 wrote...

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wicked_being wrote...
Hey guys...at least one Bioware dev is learning from this whole ME3 debacle:

Mike Laidlaw ‏ @Mike_Laidlaw
TL;DR2 - We'll be -very- actively looking for feedback on the next DA title, and will be showing the game more than before as it develops

Nice, but if they do not adress us soon, I will not buy any more DA title. :whistle:

As much as I don't like saying this if this ending debocle isn't addressed soon, BW might have alienated enough of their fan base to bring the company to its knees. This is an absolute shame because they have made great games over the years. But if this isn't fixed I'm done with BW.

I've gotta say the same thing, DA2 was a bomb for me but I kept thinking "But ME2 was great, it's only the DA franchise guys who got it wrong!". I gave them the benefit of the doubt once before and then this happened, if they actually listened to us all would be forgiven (everyone makes mistakes which is fine as long as you own up to them), if they don't then all I can say is I won't be playing anymore bioware games.

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Dj14365 wrote...
As much as I don't like saying this if this ending debocle isn't addressed soon, BW might have alienated enough of their fan base to bring the company to its knees. This is an absolute shame because they have made great games over the years. But if this isn't fixed I'm done with BW.


12+ years of hard work and good will, flushed down the drain in 10 minutes. 

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Browneye_Vamp84 wrote...

The more I see 'Hold the Line' I start hearing Mel Gibson in 'Braveheart' screaming to his men 'HOLD! HOLD! NOW!' Totally off topic and out of my system.


I keep hearing either The Tick saying "Hold it Arthur! HOLD IT!" or Capt. Mal giving his speech at Serenity Valley...

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QwibQwib wrote...

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Checking in....
So Bioware still ignoring the problem huh?

I wouldn't say they ar ignoring us, just that they are remaining silent.


That's what I meant sorry. Just trying to wait til it dies down probably.

NO

Hold the Line!

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Aeyl wrote...



A video on the ending from Holly Conrad! (Commander Holly)
This is rather significant


What does she say?  Can't watch it at work. 

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Dj14365 wrote...

LPKerberos wrote...

wicked_being wrote...
Hey guys...at least one Bioware dev is learning from this whole ME3 debacle:

Mike Laidlaw ‏ @Mike_Laidlaw
TL;DR2 - We'll be -very- actively looking for feedback on the next DA title, and will be showing the game more than before as it develops

Nice, but if they do not adress us soon, I will not buy any more DA title. :whistle:

As much as I don't like saying this if this ending debocle isn't addressed soon, BW might have alienated enough of their fan base to bring the company to its knees. This is an absolute shame because they have made great games over the years. But if this isn't fixed I'm done with BW.


exactly my thoughts... now i dont want them to rush it, would just be nice, if they told us, THAT they are trying to fix it.

it takes a special kind of failure (it is what it is), to absolutely and completely break a game (three games in fact) so close to an awsome finale part. they had the opprtunity to write history... ok now that i think about it, they actually wrote history with this, but not in the positive way we all expected!

  i know that bioware can do it better!

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i rember take back the earth trailer when you see a guy ask where is commander shepard and that trailer i did like a lot but the ending was not soo good same ending on all 3 :(

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Hydralysk wrote...

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After the article in metro.co. uk about us I managed to speak to BBC.
their technology team interviewed me and promised to do something on their website.
They said that today they are too busy to do it but tomorrow they will get on it and contact bioware for us.
Guy who spoke to me dave lee part of bbc technology news team.
Took my details etc. Lets see.
Trying for more.


That's brilliant, I was wondering why there was very little from the BBC about all of this! It's certainly something that should be better publicized considering the weight of the fnabase behind it.




I'd just say to make sure to use those qutoes from casey and mac in your push. People who don't know Mass Effect probably won't be interested in all the plot holes, but the misleading tone of those statements combined with that youtube video with all the endings (and that priceless A,B,C photo) are some of the strongest arguments you can make.


I sent them an email with all the links and our achievements .Then I called them if they received it . Spoke to few of them untill they put me through to the right person and he interviewed me asking why we hate it and what we want.
Said they will do something tomorrow and took my details.And promised to contact Bioware to reply.
They guy was pretty cool . 
BBC technology section is very good. Always quriky news from around the world mixed with Big news.
I just want them to write about it and I will be happy.
As I stated earlier Lets see....
If it happens im in heaven.!!!

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Just got this on twitter. Thought you folks might get a giggle..
Keep up the great work a,d hold the line...

Michael Gamble ‏ @GambleMike
Got some really constructive/appreciative letters in the mail this week. Sitting down today and going through them. You folks are awesome!
Retweeted by New Ending for ME3

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Bioware is not ignoring, even if they tried it would be difficult given the public attention this is getting across the internet, no, they are not ignoring us, that would be a very bad move on their part if they want to win the trust of the fans back.

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g4tv running with the FTC guy's story

http://g4.tv/xfba6I

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Aedera wrote...

Aeyl wrote...



A video on the ending from Holly Conrad! (Commander Holly)
This is rather significant


What does she say?  Can't watch it at work. 


A guy asks "So Commander Holly. What did you think about the ending of Mass Effect 3?"

And she says nothing, but makes a sad and disappointed face as the camera zooms in slow motion.

In the description she states she wanted mutant babies with Garrus.

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Geinen wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...

I poke my head up, say, "Mass Effect 3 ending?" and they both just nod.

It's really is quite amazing, how near universal the disappointment at this ending is.


LOL I'm getting it on my end too.  I was wearing an N7 shirt and strangers walk up to me at a grocery store and say..."What did you think of that ending!?"

Strangers no more, we are united in this =P  Ha.


We should all be wearing Marauder Shields t shirts, after all he did try to save us:crying:

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Teleraine wrote...
*snip*

I am perhaps a little tired of the lack of substance in their arguments while ours are so erudite

I completely sympathise with you.  However, there are bound to be people who notice the complete disparity in how well we choose to articulate our arguments compared to those who are less inclined to construct a logical and cogent point.  This, in turn, will result in people examining what we claim in a far more positive light than otherwise.

Modifié par lord berwick, 19 mars 2012 - 05:03 .


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firstarioch wrote...

I sent them an email with all the links and our achievements .Then I called them if they received it . Spoke to few of them untill they put me through to the right person and he interviewed me asking why we hate it and what we want.
Said they will do something tomorrow and took my details.And promised to contact Bioware to reply.
They guy was pretty cool . 
BBC technology section is very good. Always quriky news from around the world mixed with Big news.
I just want them to write about it and I will be happy.
As I stated earlier Lets see....
If it happens im in heaven.!!!


I've had some contact with The Times before. If you want I will contact someone who I was in an interview with who works there and see if I can get anything done on that front.

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has anyone found out this:

After you get elevated to the star brat he says: "Wake Up!" ...OR... "What are you doing here?"
and the "Wake Up!" only comes when you can get the half a breath before credits >_>
i bet this ... means nothing at all xD

considere the following = The half a breath scene plays BEFORE you are in the Citadel >_> and the "Wake Up!" is... yes exactly. WAKE UP SHAPUURRD

lol but i think im just drunk >_>

#46817
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Teleraine wrote... <snipped>
I am finding it increasingly hard to accept detractor arguments such as "its just a game, They made it so live with it or no other media changes its endings"


Point out that the Will Smith film 'I am Legend' had a different ending to that which was originally filmed. (Ironically the original ending made more sense). The TV series House rewrote a series ending because of outrage from fans - and went to remain on the air for another 3 years. Sherlock Holmes was brought back to life because his readers asked for more stories. Heck, even Coca Cola had to give in to customer pressure in the mid to late 80's with the 'New Coke' fiasco - I'm too young to remember that clearly...honest..:mellow:


What I don't understand here is that the Mass Effect games were, initially, marketed (correctly) as being a form of interactive 'film'. Or at least written and structured as if they were a film - which is why the idea of making Mass Effect into a film was tabled quite quickly and why there was a 'film grain' option in the first two games. However all big budget films today usually get screened to test audiences just to make sure they work with the audience - and if they react badly to a film studios are far from shy about reediting or even rewriting parts of it. Those films that don't get shown to test audiences are the ones reviewers are wary of, and on the whole tend to also be films that are not very good - such as the Green Hornet film of 13 months ago.

I can't understand why BW didn't consider getting some fans in to watch the story unfold through the cut scenes to make sure it worked.

Modifié par Cybermortis, 19 mars 2012 - 05:00 .


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firstarioch wrote...

I sent them an email with all the links and our achievements .Then I called them if they received it . Spoke to few of them untill they put me through to the right person and he interviewed me asking why we hate it and what we want.
Said they will do something tomorrow and took my details.And promised to contact Bioware to reply.
They guy was pretty cool . 
BBC technology section is very good. Always quriky news from around the world mixed with Big news.
I just want them to write about it and I will be happy.
As I stated earlier Lets see....
If it happens im in heaven.!!!


:happy: Awesome. And I know another forum member is meeting them tomorrow and said she/he'd bring up the topic then.

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Aedera wrote...

Aeyl wrote...



A video on the ending from Holly Conrad! (Commander Holly)
This is rather significant


What does she say?  Can't watch it at work. 


She is just running arounf in this AWESOME N7 armor cospaly and gets the Question: Commander Shepard what did you think about the ending? The music of Shepard leaving earth starts, the video gets slowed down, and you see a face of utter shock and disbelief for about 40 seconds ^^

Modifié par Doppelgaenger, 19 mars 2012 - 05:01 .


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mulder1199 wrote...
g4tv running with the FTC guy's story
http://g4.tv/xfba6I

I wish they would stop using the term "angry", dissapointed yes, angry no.

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QwibQwib wrote...

SkaldFish wrote...

More arrogant and demeaning drivel from the gaming media:

http://www.escapistm...s-Ending-Drama

No no he did-ent just pull the Kathy Bates card.... You'd think the gaming media were some kind of SuperPAC for the game developers.

:sick:

I'm not even going to watch his video, I don't want to give him importance.


This isn't about story developers needing to be mind readers - I wasnt expecting to the ending that I had drafted in my head as the ending my Shepard would want - I was expecting a bitter sweet ending that left me devistated and sad - but also wanting to go back and start from the beginning just to re-experience the drama, the horror and the emotion behind the series.  And ending like that would have probably involved Shepards death - no blue babies for me.  I don't mind that though.  What I do mind is abandoning the whole series foundation of success in the last hours.

Jim got it wrong - because Jim thinks that fans turn when things go wrong.  No - Star Wars fans still love Star Wars - they still saw the new films (Those films were still wildly popular,) and they didn't boycott the 3D reincarnation (Again, Wildly popular) - they just give Lucas "Disappoint Face" and move on to consuming more Star Wars products.  We Mass Effect fans would have done the same thing if there had been a good ending to the epic trilogy.  We would have said "Oh Tali's face - that's a disappointment, but man the whole game was so good!"  or we would have said  "Kai Leng kind of sucks, but whatever, TIM and the end of the game are awesome!"  but instead we get to say "Who wrote this ending and why does it take everything we love about Mass Effect and throw it into the wood chipper?"

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Excuse me soldiers.
Can someone give me the Movement summary already posted on this topic?

Thanks.

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DJBare wrote...

Bioware is not ignoring, even if they tried it would be difficult given the public attention this is getting across the internet, no, they are not ignoring us, that would be a very bad move on their part if they want to win the trust of the fans back.


Silence and ignorning us are different things. They're keeping their mouths shut because you have to figure out what the heck your going to do in the middle of a ****storm like this before you dare open it. They know what's going on though and they do appear to be listening, Jessica M. at the very least has made this clear for us. So now we just have to wait and see.

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DJBare wrote...

Bioware is not ignoring, even if they tried it would be difficult given the public attention this is getting across the internet, no, they are not ignoring us, that would be a very bad move on their part if they want to win the trust of the fans back.


I agree. They are listening as we speak. But the problem is coming for the lack of reponses. I can understand that they are willing to wait until more people make's it to the end but... they will have to make a carefull calculation on how many time they can stay vague and approximative on the reponse we all want to get. For if they give it too late, i'm afraid the gap would be too large for them to cover :/ Not sure it can even wait for the PAX.

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CimCake wrote...

I'm getting increasingly worried that BW might change the ending instead of expanding on it with a patch or DLC, this would mean that there probably would be no boss fight and just the ending from after TIM dying and the cutscenes being changed.
I'd much rather prefer an expansion of the ending we got (since the only thing that makes sense is indoc. theory which then means that the game didn't really end) instead of them changing the ending and not having coherent post-end DLC. Ofcourse DLC that directly impacts the main story in means of a "true" ending should be free, I'm not saying that I'd prefer to pay out more to coax me out of my fetal position on the bed, just making that clear.

What do you guys think? Change the ending alltogether or expand on it?


I would prefer they expand on it. The whole star child event is fine for the most part, as long as it wasn't the ending. Honestly, they could even make it where two of the options DOES cause the end of the game, but choosing the other option has a chance to continue the game on to a different set of ending choices.

Say they make the blue and green option end the game, but the red option brings about an extended mission with the scene where Shep wakes up. He continues on (player controlled) to the next set of scenes. Perhaps then the previous area was a dream sequence with Shepard breaking out of indoctrination since he "Destroyed" the connection. It would be a very good twist, and show that a player choice mattered. Say then he continues on and meets up with the Illusive Man (as the previous scenes were all in his mind). Perhaps taht part will play out very similarly. Fine, sure, that can work. But then youa re presented with options or choices that can determine the next series of choices which take into account your actions across the three games. Say you brought no fleets with you, well teh Reapers overwhelm them, but you are given the option to still "defeat" the reapers and at least the galaxy survives.

Or, say you brought all the allies into the final battle. Well that would have the battle turn out differently, and a choice comes up where you are meeting up with either Star Child, or indoctrinated Illusive Man in a final attempt by the reapers to perhaps turn Shepard over to their side, letting you choose, if you want, to have the reapers win, or have the fleets keep fighting while you fight with both Starchild and Illusive. Who knows, you could even talk the Illusive Man into joining you and breaking his own indoctrination to fight the Star Child and perhaps giving TIM a chance to redeem himself to the galaxy in the end (I know it could be possible, as I talked TIM into shooting himself in the "dream sequence" part). This could lead to numerous events. Get enough points or have the right allies there, and the fleets pull out a win now that the "brain" of teh Reapers (aka, Star Child, or even the avatar of Harbinger, if TIM wasn't the avatar of Harbinger already just as Saren was the avatar of Soverign) has been removed. Shep could survive, or collapse from injuries, and we are brought into the actual ending. It allows for so many different options to come about, but it is caused by the player action. You would have your one "happy ending" where everyone lives, or every permutation of lives and dies possible, and you have not only kept the original chance for the game to end on the first Star Child scene, but also brought about the feeling where the player made the choices. the player determined how it would end. It would bring about desire to play all three damn games again to get different possibilities, not only making BW/EA a crapton of money form the selling of the older games, as well as rekindling buyer confidence in the fan base to buy more games made by them.

Overall, what we have now really seems like not only a dropping of the ball, but dropping the ball into the grand canyon...