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[Darkwingduck]

My friends need to stop asking me what i thought of Mass Effect because they're considering buying it. The reasons being 1. it reminds me how much i freaking hate the ending 2. it's difficult to explain how amazing the game is minus the last ten minutes 3. they give me weird looks for my level of rage(they'll understand if they play it) 4. I think I dissuade them from playing and I don't want to it's a good game that deserves to be played it just needs to be fixed. It's difficult being the biggest nerd most people I'm friends with know...so very difficult.

[Archangel MoX]

kiritateru123 wrote...

Yeah I saw it!, just before Earth I wanded into the main battery to see how garrus' calibrations were going and its him and tali bumping uglies, they do the whole "oh my mandible got caught in her helmet kinda thing" and then:

*Slight conversation spoiler*

Garrus is all like, it's gonna be nice to have something to come home to, and tali replies, "what do you mean vakarian? this is just a fling I'm using you for your body"

to which he replies

"Your so mean.... And I like that"

*End slight spoiler thingies*

But thats pretty much all you see from it

Gonna have to go for a femshep complete run soon now =

Noooooooooooo Tali is mine!!!

[Iucounou]

Well, after several days of thought and reading the comments of others, I still am convinced that this has all been a marketing exercise that has gone horribly wrong.

I stress this is only a theory. It is all speculation. But that is what they wanted, isn't it? But I cannot for the life of me see why they would promise so much and then deliver so little. Not unless they had already completed the endings we all wanted and then decided to remove them from the game so that they could charge for them later.

I have no proof of this, as I have stated before, but my gut tells me this is correct.

Of course, if true, they are now in the impossible situation of having lied to the fans and have no way to wiggle out of it.

They could say "Hey, we had planned this all along, but we never intended to charge you for it. Here it is!" and give it away for free. I'd be happy with that, but wary of them in future.

They could tell us they are working on an ending DLC, then sit on it for 6 months and release it for a few dollars/pounds etc. But, at this stage, although welcome, I feel I would have moved on from ME3 so wouldn't buy it anyway.

The worst case scenario is if they said "Hey! Here's the DLC, that'll be $10 please." in a few days time. I think that won't happen, because it would be a corporate suicide run that would make the ending of ME2 look like a picnic.

They could also say that they hadn't quite finished the ending and EA was breathing down their necks to release the game, so they added the starchild in at a convenient point to "make do" until they had finished the endings.

I do feel a little sorry for them. They worked hard on this and, if I'm right, simply made (or were forced into) a marketing strategy that has backfired beyond anything they could have envisaged. I would like to have been at the meeting that decided upon this strategy, just to see if anyone actually said the line "What's the worst that could happen?"

How they extricate themselves from this situation will be fascinating to watch. I bear the company no real malice. They have produced some fantastic games over the years. But they, and other companies out there, need to stop obsessing about maximising profits and squeezing every last penny out of the fanbase.

I've long thought that "Ending DLC" was on the cards. That some gaming company would come up with this idea and then try it out. But I thought it would be in the form of alternate endings to an already complete game. I didn't think it would be in the form (as I think has occurred here) of simply hacking the end of a game out and coding in a temporary and shoddy ending. I didn't think any company would be that naive.

Of course, my thoughts are just that. Mine. They may be entirely incorrect. In fact, I hope I am wrong. Because if I am right about this, then it simply tells me that they have no respect for me, or anyone else that buys their products.

I say these things not to convince others I am right, but just to vent a little, and maybe make everyone think a little more about the possible reasons behind this whole mess. Everyone has just assumed that Bioware made a crappy ending. I don't believe that. I think it's deeper than that.

I may be right. I may be wrong.

It's all speculation.

But that is what they wanted, wasn't it?

[Ziggy]

SkaldFish wrote...

I find this interesting in that it's a shift in argument. Erik Norris on CraveOnline is now concerned that, if BioWare "caves" as he puts it, it will supposedly set the dangerous precedent that, if we want alternate endings in the future, they will always be provided as DLC and we will be charged for them.

I know.

I'd quite happliy pay for alternate happy ending dlc

[Goikiu]

DJBare wrote...

Thank you Goikiu, every asset helps, perhaps the font could be a little larger?
Not on topic with this, just sharing what I've been watching to keep my spirits up www.youtube.com/watch

I can try to make it, i'll add to issues to work about for tomorrow (within other things).

[Squadrito]

mCorfe wrote...

Vandrine wrote...

Sad as I am to admit it, I just don't think Bioware give a damn.  They'll listen to the fan reaction of course, but they'll do nothing about it.

Here's something for you all to chuckle over though:

investor.ea.com/stockquote.cfm 

Cheer up friend, they WILL fix that damn ending. For some odd reason they thought people will accept that pile of horse s*** served on a diamond plate which is the rest of the game. Well , we do not accept it. And so , we HOLD THE LINE.

^this. 

[Bhav88]

Something I think a lot of people don't point out about the "Indoctrination Theory" is that even if the current endings WEREN'T terrible, that would be a really awesome story arc in and of itself. I originally thought this was the plan just because it would be really superb writing, in my book. Hell, if they had half a brain they'd do this ending-repair DLC and pretend (since it's obvious it WASN'T) it was the plan all along simply because of the story.

[WvStolzing]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

Sorry, I should have explained a bit: That video has shown me quite a few things that seem too coincidental to have been put in the game and not used, just starting to think that Bioware have the DLC but their plan backfired. Wasn't too sure of indoc theory in past, but that video really makes sense.

Now that we've seen that 'Final Hours' thingy, the sad truth is that the 'ending' is so incoherent, our best attempt to make sense of it had to end up being a 'hallucination'-theory. 

[schwarzaj]

I just read Casey Hudson's response to all of this and personally feel that he just doesn't get it. Casey made a promise to your fanbase and customers and failed to deliver. He lied to us, and that's what makes this whole thing even worse. This ending is horrible, plane and simple. His response is less than acceptable, making no promises and amounting to, "Hey, our game is good. Look at all the people who say are game is good! We take your advice from time to time, so be good little sheep and buy more DLC from us!" That's insulting. I'm not going to lie here, if Bioware doesn't release a free download, or some incredibly substantial content package that both fixes the ending to ME3 and adds more stuff to the game as is, then I'm never buying another Bioware product again.

[TamiBx]

Computim wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Oh look, Bioware has moved on and started talking about something else now...good thing they are two different teams.  I wonder how much this whole thing will affect DA3...

http://gamerant.com/...ext-tao-138955/

Already cancelled my EB Games preorder for it.  Will think about re-preordering if they fix ME3.

I'm not getting DA3 if they don't fix ME3. I mean, I could but I'm not the type of fan who can separate one from the other...

I do like how this article mentions ME3 ending problems and that Bioware should stop trying to make "improvements" all of the sudden...

[soske aizen]

schwarzaj wrote...

I just read Casey Hudson's response to all of this and personally feel that he just doesn't get it. Casey made a promise to your fanbase and customers and failed to deliver. He lied to us, and that's what makes this whole thing even worse. This ending is horrible, plane and simple. His response is less than acceptable, making no promises and amounting to, "Hey, our game is good. Look at all the people who say are game is good! We take your advice from time to time, so be good little sheep and buy more DLC from us!" That's insulting. I'm not going to lie here, if Bioware doesn't release a free download, or some incredibly substantial content package that both fixes the ending to ME3 and adds more stuff to the game as is, then I'm never buying another Bioware product again.

[-GravityOfLove-]

kiritateru123 wrote...

Exactly! Those two characters were truly well written at the end, Just kinda sucks about the VERY end as the last 5 minutes seem EXTREMELY lazy compared to the rest of the game.

Also, when Jacob and Shep are at that bar in Rio at the end, he should collect seashells

"You Speak As The Priests Do..."

-Lady tears for both of them- I even had my bro cry when Thane died. Goshh

"Why did that last verse say 'she'?"
"His blessing was meant for you..."

Ah! I see what you did theerree xD With the Jacob.
'I know I'll have a clever line five minutes from now' in response to that.

[CirusTheVirus666]

What is up with child's play donations site, its been down all day?! Did someone shut it down?!

[B33ker]

TamiBx wrote...

Oh look, Bioware has moved on and started talking about something else now...good thing they are two different teams.  I wonder how much this whole thing will affect DA3...

http://gamerant.com/...ext-tao-138955/

Dunno, but it won't affect my wallet in the least.

If they hadn't ruined ME so badly, I might give them a shot, but DA2 was poor, and ME3 was the final nail for me.

Even if they "fix" ME3 now I'll still avoid it.  ME3 should have been given the care and love it deserved from it's creators so that it would never have needed fixing in the first place.

Instead it got abandoned at the mall next to the kid who eats paste.

[18 Brains]

Squadrito wrote...

Holy 1912 Pages Batman!

Anyways, I just hope BW comes out with SOMETHING to fix/correct/explain these endings.

/sadface

They put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.  If they come right out and say, "You're right, the ending isn't what we intended/was rushed etc., then the fans will have definitive proof as consumers that they gave us an incomplete product (the Prothean also comes to mind), the result of which would almost certainly lower EA's stock and the market value of ME3, but might also galvanize them to create a new DLC ending to save themselves from losing further customers.

The other side of the coin is that they could continue to be mum over the possibilities of an DLC Ending, and hope that this all blows over so they continue in whatever new direction they are going.  If this is the case, then not only do I want no part in buying their planned DLC (that don't affect the ending, i.e. multiplayer characters) but also will not buy future titles.  Their alienation of the consumers also will result in a loss of value, and even of introducing new customers due to word of mouth and gamer reviews that ultimately show dissatisfaction with the companies.

The only upside to the acknowledgement and response to the fans' feedback is that it can restore the faith of the consumers in the companies, and may aide them in escaping this debacle with less damage to their image.  That they went through with the endings at all, however, ensure that they won't make it out unscathed.

To the possibility of a (free) DLC ending with the choice that we were promised, and to send off a great trilogy in the way that it deserves,  I will hold the line.

[Geinen]

Darkwingduck wrote...

My friends need to stop asking me what i thought of Mass Effect because they're considering buying it. The reasons being 1. it reminds me how much i freaking hate the ending 2. it's difficult to explain how amazing the game is minus the last ten minutes 3. they give me weird looks for my level of rage(they'll understand if they play it) 4. I think I dissuade them from playing and I don't want to it's a good game that deserves to be played it just needs to be fixed. It's difficult being the biggest nerd most people I'm friends with know...so very difficult.

I would recommend they play it.  Hell, maybe just lend them your copy?  =P  But it IS an amazing game.  There were so many great things to it.

I'm lending my copy out for friends who want to play, but really don't want to spend that kind of money on it.  Which I totally understand.

[kiritateru123]

-GravityOfLove- wrote...

'I know I'll have a clever line five minutes from now' in response to that.

I'll wait

[-GravityOfLove-]

WvStolzing wrote...

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

Sorry, I should have explained a bit: That video has shown me quite a few things that seem too coincidental to have been put in the game and not used, just starting to think that Bioware have the DLC but their plan backfired. Wasn't too sure of indoc theory in past, but that video really makes sense.

Now that we've seen that 'Final Hours' thingy, the sad truth is that the 'ending' is so incoherent, our best attempt to make sense of it had to end up being a 'hallucination'-theory. 

You'd think BW and EA would be at least a little shocked with how much their fans are upset.
So upset that we are clawing at anything we can get out hands on. I know im guilty of it, trying to erase that 'ending'.

[M2S SOLID JOSH]

Ive had this account since 2007 and never used it. i will finally use it to hold the line

[Alamandorious]

Hm. Looking at the drill sergeant thing, I'd counter with this; if they fix the ending, every person that has been part of this movement buy 1 share in Bioware each ^^

Just a thought, don't take it too seriously

[DJBare]

Find below some important links you may want to follow.

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Mass Effect 3 debacle - Pre-release developer quotes

Poll About The Ending

'Official' Poll For Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC

[POLL] What exactly would you change with the ending?

EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode ***Regularly UPDATED***

Retake Mass Effect Banner Templates

Mission Statement Thread

Retake Mass Effect Group on BSN ***Please Join***

Mass Effect 3 Resource Site with collection of statements and reports

Retake Mass Effect 3 Statistics

Retake Mass Effect on Facebook

Retake Mass Effect on Youtube

Retake Mass Effect on Twitter
@RetakeME3

Keep it civil... and hold the line!


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[WvStolzing]

schwarzaj wrote...

I just read Casey Hudson's response to all of this and personally feel that he just doesn't get it. Casey made a promise to your fanbase and customers and failed to deliver. He lied to us, and that's what makes this whole thing even worse. This ending is horrible, plane and simple. His response is less than acceptable, making no promises and amounting to, "Hey, our game is good. Look at all the people who say are game is good! We take your advice from time to time, so be good little sheep and buy more DLC from us!"

Check out the first 'must read' link in my signature; we've had a professional PR person interpret his letter, it's a link to his post. It really helps place that strange letter in proper perspective.

[Darkwingduck]

Geinen wrote...

Darkwingduck wrote...

My friends need to stop asking me what i thought of Mass Effect because they're considering buying it. The reasons being 1. it reminds me how much i freaking hate the ending 2. it's difficult to explain how amazing the game is minus the last ten minutes 3. they give me weird looks for my level of rage(they'll understand if they play it) 4. I think I dissuade them from playing and I don't want to it's a good game that deserves to be played it just needs to be fixed. It's difficult being the biggest nerd most people I'm friends with know...so very difficult.

I would recommend they play it.  Hell, maybe just lend them your copy?  =P  But it IS an amazing game.  There were so many great things to it.

I'm lending my copy out for friends who want to play, but really don't want to spend that kind of money on it.  Which I totally understand.

I have horrid experiences lending my  games to people I wouldn't do it with Mass Effect they can buy their own copy.I do tell them to play it and that it is good but I will not let them fall victim to depression without proper warning after all they did ask my opinion. Ehhh...poor kids. 

[Computim]

TamiBx wrote...

Computim wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Oh look, Bioware has moved on and started talking about something else now...good thing they are two different teams.  I wonder how much this whole thing will affect DA3...

http://gamerant.com/...ext-tao-138955/

Already cancelled my EB Games preorder for it.  Will think about re-preordering if they fix ME3.

I'm not getting DA3 if they don't fix ME3. I mean, I could but I'm not the type of fan who can separate one from the other...

I do like how this article mentions ME3 ending problems and that Bioware should stop trying to make "improvements" all of the sudden...

Yeah.. I'll clarify, I don't think EB actually is TAKING preorders yet for DA3... I buy enough games from them that the manager of our local one usually gets my 'list' and will call me if stuff changes, usually means I get a discount too thankfully, my addiction is strong and I spend far too much on games.  I specifcally called and said "Take all the bioware/ea stuff off the list"... to which he went "ouch, I didn't think the ending was THAT bad",  we had a quick conversation about customer service and he understood where I was coming from... will definitely have to find other publishers, it's not his fault.

[-GravityOfLove-]

kiritateru123 wrote...

-GravityOfLove- wrote...

'I know I'll have a clever line five minutes from now' in response to that.

I'll wait

xD
Umm.... NEKKID TURIANS!!
-gasp!-

WHO SAID THAT?
GOD CHILD??