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[silencemayday]

Geda173 wrote...

Not your fault. The reviews about the page are downright good. I have no problem with waiting for my shirt, it's already paid for and the money will hopefully reach Child's play in a few days.

Gab es schon viele die das Shirt gekauft haben? War nur kurz auf deinem Blog und da hab ich wenn mich nicht alles täuscht bereits 2 verkaufte Shirts gesehen. Oder so

ja, bisher gab es leider erst 5 shirts, aber mal schauen. gamefront macht einen artikel darüber und ich werde das geld alle 20e ueberweisen, da redbubble selbst es leider nicht anders unterstützt. werde auf dem blog jeden abend updates machen, und sollte etwas nicht passen- schreib mir ruhig eine nachricht bin auch auf deviantart unterwegs und auf facebook als scarlet rot.  

[fade2black2610]

Right, I'm off to bed. Really proud of you guys and girls, still sticking together. There's been a few news stories coming out today talking about the FTC "story," and spirits still won't be lowered. Well done, you're a credit to the site and you lot truly make me believe that we'll get it done.

Get to 2000 and hold the line! Peace

[lastpatriot]

Neroteyen wrote...

Think we'll cap 2000 tonight?

That would be rather impressive.  It just goes to show that no matter the differences we all have, this is one area that we ALL can be unified in.

[nitefyre410]

Xyalon wrote...

DJBare wrote...

I made this point before and I'll make it again, imagine or remember that project you worked on and all the effort you put into it, you step back and look at the project in pride, then one person says that does not work, it does not look right, now imagine 100 thousand people telling you the same thing, that is what the folk at bioware are experiencing right now.

It may hurt, but anyone worth their salt would at least listen to the voices of those who were disagreeing with you. They may change it, they may not, but they would listen and if they had any respect for the people they made it for they would at least engage in open debate to defend their decisions.

BioWare haven't done this yet, and I'm not saying that they won't. What I am saying is that if 100k people think so highly of your work and take issue with something they feel is beneath you, something which you made for them, if you have any pride as a craftsman then you will see that beneath the criticism is love and behind that love is support and something that could drive you to greatness.

If a kid hands in sub-par work at school, any half-decent teacher would ask why, give feedback and maybe try to help get them back on track. They wouldn't just shrug it off and say nothing for fear of hurting their feelings.

 

Took the words right out of my mouth...

[Matt_gekko88]

hoped we could collect over 100,000 on chipin but it's slowing down :<

[Hydralysk]

Geda173 wrote...

Not your fault. The reviews about the page are downright good. I have no problem with waiting for my shirt, it's already paid for and the money will hopefully reach Child's play in a few days.

Gab es schon viele die das Shirt gekauft haben? War nur kurz auf deinem Blog und da hab ich wenn mich nicht alles täuscht bereits 2 verkaufte Shirts gesehen. Oder so

Just a question, are the proceeds actually going to Child's Play?

[KLGChaos]

Love the Marauder Shields shirt. Will have to see about ordering one when I get home from work tomorrow.

And don't pay much attention the sites like Yahoo... Just more people pointing fingers and putting their two cents into things they don't understand. What matters is the fight that's going on here and what the developers see. I mean, seriously, if someone gets on your case about being a whiner and never actually played ME3 or seen the ending, then they have no place to say anything.

I do find it ironic, though. We're the ones being portrayed as wrong. Consumers protesting in a civil and productive way, with thoroughly thought out reasoning as to why we feel the way we do. Yet those who oppose us, like the Facebook group, call us entitled whiners and fling other insults... And we're the bad guys.

It's kind of sad that consumers that paid for something they were promised and then complain that they  didn't fully receive what they expected makes them horrible people. I guess in this corporate controlled world we're supposed to just shut up and take what we get. It's like going to a favorite restaurant where you have your choice of dinner and desserts. You love the main course, but when dessert comes around you're suddenly told you can't have the dessert you wanted because the restaurant is trying to keep it more artsy-- so you're forced to choose between three desserts you didn't expect or like. And worse yet, they come in three different colors, but all taste the same. Is that person wrong for being upset and demanding what he originially ordered?

I, for one, will continue to hold the line. And I'll continue to be civil and productive with my comments.

Modifié par KLGChaos, 20 mars 2012 - 01:32 .

[baronkohinar]

Might just be me but I think we might want to stop using the word
'bleak' to describe our problems with the endings as, at least in my
experience, any inherent bleakness in the ending is but one concern of
many. Moreover, we have Casey Hudson on record saying the ending was
intentionally bleak and, thus, that's all that he's willing to talk
about. To me, it seems that whether the ending is too happy/sad is in
the eye of the beholder/a matter of personal preference. Therefore, I
think we'd do well to focus our objections on facts, rather than things
that can be dismissed as opinions. For example:

A. the ending is a departure from the themes of the series (free will, synthetic and organic cooperation, etc).
B. no choices the player makes over the course of the series influences the ending.
C.
at present, based on the established physics of the universe, we're
left with no choice but to kill a majority of everyone in the galaxy,
destroying everything we've done since the beginning of the series.
D.
the ending is full of continuity problems (teleporting characters,
Joker acting against his previously established morals, etc)
E. there is no closure to the choices the player makes in the story/related consequences

Arguing
about bleakness appears to be playing on their terms, as that's the one
topic they seem more than happy to discuss. Most important, we don't
have any quotes from Hudson/BioWare promising the ending won't be bleak,
whereas we do on other topics. Therefore, at least in my opinion, these
are the issues we should be pressing them on, for these are the issues
they're unwilling to address.

Modifié par baronkohinar, 20 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[Nevara]

Wet squad commander first sign in to hold the line after the disaster that was laid out before me. We'll render cover fire if necessary.

[Xyalon]

For those of you who are sick to death of seeing wave of negative press, trolls and flamers misrepresenting us, I have written an open letter to these people. 

Feel free to link it, use part of all of it in your responses to them if you cannot think of anything uncivil at the time. Or, feel free just to read it so that you can reaffirm and justify yourself that you are not the unreasonable spolit brats that they make us out to be.

Modifié par Xyalon, 20 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[Hydralysk]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

hoped we could collect over 100,000 on chipin but it's slowing down :<

The site was down for almost the entire day today.

[baronkohinar]

Whoops, double post. *deleted*

Modifié par baronkohinar, 20 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[Xyalon]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

hoped we could collect over 100,000 on chipin but it's slowing down :<

We've still got the best part of a month to go. It will always slow down but people are finishing the game and coming to the movement/finding out about the movement and charity every day. Have faith.

[Geda173]

silencemayday wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

Not your fault. The reviews about the page are downright good. I have no problem with waiting for my shirt, it's already paid for and the money will hopefully reach Child's play in a few days.

Gab es schon viele die das Shirt gekauft haben? War nur kurz auf deinem Blog und da hab ich wenn mich nicht alles täuscht bereits 2 verkaufte Shirts gesehen. Oder so

ja, bisher gab es leider erst 5 shirts, aber mal schauen. gamefront macht einen artikel darüber und ich werde das geld alle 20e ueberweisen, da redbubble selbst es leider nicht anders unterstützt. werde auf dem blog jeden abend updates machen, und sollte etwas nicht passen- schreib mir ruhig eine nachricht bin auch auf deviantart unterwegs und auf facebook als scarlet rot.  

Welche von den vielen (auf FB)? Hab ich das richtig gesehen, pro Shirt gehen 2-3 Euro als Gewinn weg?

As for the voice that should speak for us, there are a few people that appear to be charismatic enough. Mentioned earlier in this thread, there is another thread with a PR person analysing the stuff that is going on, atghunter or something like that. We also have this military guy that left active duty 5 years ago. Cant recall his name but I'm sure somebody will know who I mean.

Hydralysk wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

Not your fault. The reviews about the page are downright good. I have no problem with waiting for my shirt, it's already paid for and the money will hopefully reach Child's play in a few days.

Gab es schon viele die das Shirt gekauft haben? War nur kurz auf deinem Blog und da hab ich wenn mich nicht alles täuscht bereits 2 verkaufte Shirts gesehen. Oder so

Just a question, are the proceeds actually going to Child's Play?

According to silencemayday, who appearantly designed the shirts, yes. Everything goes to Child's Play.

Modifié par Geda173, 20 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[DJBare]

Xyalon wrote...
If a kid hands in sub-par work at school, any half-decent teacher would ask why, give feedback and maybe try to help get them back on track. They wouldn't just shrug it off and say nothing for fear of hurting their feelings.

And I agree, all I'm saying is that they need a little time to get over the initial sting of the feedback, I'm not talking about a company here, i'm talking about each individual that was involved in the development of this game, they are basically watching their efforts go down the pan at the moment, this is why I'm glad when folk post that 98% of the game was awsome, a half decent teacher also gives encouragment.

[Xyalon]

Hydralysk wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

Not your fault. The reviews about the page are downright good. I have no problem with waiting for my shirt, it's already paid for and the money will hopefully reach Child's play in a few days.

Gab es schon viele die das Shirt gekauft haben? War nur kurz auf deinem Blog und da hab ich wenn mich nicht alles täuscht bereits 2 verkaufte Shirts gesehen. Oder so

Just a question, are the proceeds actually going to Child's Play?

I, for one, trust this user to do as they say.

[silencemayday]

Hydralysk wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

Not your fault. The reviews about the page are downright good. I have no problem with waiting for my shirt, it's already paid for and the money will hopefully reach Child's play in a few days.

Gab es schon viele die das Shirt gekauft haben? War nur kurz auf deinem Blog und da hab ich wenn mich nicht alles täuscht bereits 2 verkaufte Shirts gesehen. Oder so

Just a question, are the proceeds actually going to Child's Play?

YES; they are. since i'm selling the shirts and providing daily updates on my tumblr (silencemayday.tumblr.com/tagged/charity/) 

[Xyalon]

DJBare wrote...

Xyalon wrote...
If a kid hands in sub-par work at school, any half-decent teacher would ask why, give feedback and maybe try to help get them back on track. They wouldn't just shrug it off and say nothing for fear of hurting their feelings.

And I agree, all I'm saying is that they need a little time to get over the initial sting of the feedback, I'm not talking about a company here, i'm talking about each individual that was involved in the development of this game, they are basically watching their efforts go down the pan at the moment, this is why I'm glad when folk post that 98% of the game was awsome, a half decent teacher also gives encouragment.

I'm talking about the individuals too. I say BioWare but I mean every single person in the team who helped develop this series.

And yes, I'm glad that we are constructive with our feedback and not totally destructive.

[Xyalon]

Xyalon wrote...

For those of you who are sick to death of seeing wave of negative press, trolls and flamers misrepresenting us, I have written an open letter to these people. 

Feel free to link it, use part of all of it in your responses to them if you cannot think of anything uncivil at the time. Or, feel free just to read it so that you can reaffirm and justify yourself that you are not the unreasonable spolit brats that they make us out to be.

Fixed link, bumped for ease of use.

[silencemayday]

Geda173 wrote...

silencemayday wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

Not your fault. The reviews about the page are downright good. I have no problem with waiting for my shirt, it's already paid for and the money will hopefully reach Child's play in a few days.

Gab es schon viele die das Shirt gekauft haben? War nur kurz auf deinem Blog und da hab ich wenn mich nicht alles täuscht bereits 2 verkaufte Shirts gesehen. Oder so

ja, bisher gab es leider erst 5 shirts, aber mal schauen. gamefront macht einen artikel darüber und ich werde das geld alle 20e ueberweisen, da redbubble selbst es leider nicht anders unterstützt. werde auf dem blog jeden abend updates machen, und sollte etwas nicht passen- schreib mir ruhig eine nachricht bin auch auf deviantart unterwegs und auf facebook als scarlet rot.  

Welche von den vielen (auf FB)? Hab ich das richtig gesehen, pro Shirt gehen 2-3 Euro als Gewinn weg?

yes, you read correctly, depending on whatever you buy, 20% of it will go out to child's play.

aber inwiefern auf fb? sorry, i'm getting way too tired around this hour.. 

[shephard987]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

hoped we could collect over 100,000 on chipin but it's slowing down :<

No worries, it was simply on hiatus for the day, with maintenance and stuff.
It will pick back up soon. 

Hold the Line

[Geda173]

silencemayday wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

silencemayday wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

Not your fault. The reviews about the page are downright good. I have no problem with waiting for my shirt, it's already paid for and the money will hopefully reach Child's play in a few days.

Gab es schon viele die das Shirt gekauft haben? War nur kurz auf deinem Blog und da hab ich wenn mich nicht alles täuscht bereits 2 verkaufte Shirts gesehen. Oder so

ja, bisher gab es leider erst 5 shirts, aber mal schauen. gamefront macht einen artikel darüber und ich werde das geld alle 20e ueberweisen, da redbubble selbst es leider nicht anders unterstützt. werde auf dem blog jeden abend updates machen, und sollte etwas nicht passen- schreib mir ruhig eine nachricht bin auch auf deviantart unterwegs und auf facebook als scarlet rot.  

Welche von den vielen (auf FB)? Hab ich das richtig gesehen, pro Shirt gehen 2-3 Euro als Gewinn weg?

yes, you read correctly, depending on whatever you buy, 20% of it will go out to child's play.

aber inwiefern auf fb? sorry, i'm getting way too tired around this hour.. 

Passt schon, auf tumblr kann man dir auch so Nachrichten schreiben :>

It seems that the donations site is fully operational again, but paypal is having issues processing anything at the moment (at least for me).

[Death of Seph]

Xyalon wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

For those of you who are sick to death of seeing wave of negative press, trolls and flamers misrepresenting us, I have written an open letter to these people. 

Feel free to link it, use part of all of it in your responses to them if you cannot think of anything uncivil at the time. Or, feel free just to read it so that you can reaffirm and justify yourself that you are not the unreasonable spolit brats that they make us out to be.

Fixed link, bumped for ease of use.

Very well done.

[Welsh Inferno]

Its a nice read Xyalon but in all honesty the press who are being outright negative wont take any notice. They know why we are really upset, they just don't care(or care about their pockets more).They have their agenda set and I dont see them ever changing tone. Especially IGN. Never gonna win them over unless EA says so hah.

Just to say aswell, they dont bother me one bit. I'v never been a fan of the gaming press, never will be. 

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 20 mars 2012 - 01:43 .

[Kenkimaru]

we just got 68k