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[VivaLaWhatsername]

KLGChaos wrote...

This is the year we landed on the moon... too bad we didn't find any Prothean ruins. Guess we'll have to wait until we get to Mars for that.

Maybe it's just aswell, since in the end commander shepard would have no choice but to destroy galactic civilisation as we know it 

[Elheldo]

Here is the Austria Fleet

Bioware must change the Ending so

Hold the Line!

[BigglesFlysAgain]

xHezz90 wrote...

KLGChaos wrote...

This is the year we landed on the moon... too bad we didn't find any Prothean ruins. Guess we'll have to wait until we get to Mars for that.

Maybe it's just aswell, since in the end commander shepard would have no choice but to destroy galactic civilisation as we know it 

They were distracted by all the dead transformers lol

[VivaLaWhatsername]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

They were distracted by all the dead transformers lol

Hahaha! oh man that really did make me giggle.

[fade2black2610]

Hey everyone!

Highly unlikely, but has anything happened worth mentioning within the last 12 hours or so? Perhaps another major website, misinforming everyone by saying we're all trying to sue BioWare?!

Also, I can't seem to get onto the stats site http://www.r3stats.net/. Am I the only one? I haven't seen it updated since last night

[Sevantha]

Goikiu wrote...

(My English is so-so but i'll try to explain)
You know, refund something it isn't bad itself. However many can think that they will give you a refund if you haven't liked the end and they choose not to fix/change/add it.

For this it can be seen as a bad thing.

Good thing is that they are "listening" or at least "watching" over us, or they won't have give a full refund for ME3.

Or maybe they pulled this to make you feel bad for them, to make everyone who has loved bioware games so far, feel bad and think "oh this is not what i wanted, i dont want this company to fail because i didnt like the ending" and make them stop fighting out of guilt. The same way than trying to tell us "we are human we were tired" is trying to make you feel bad for them.

[Goikiu]

I'll be back within 2hours or so, so someone please hold the line for me too.

See you later guys. (aliens and girls too)

[vpalma]

I just looked at the amazon website and Mass effect 3 is taking a pounding. It's a shame all that hard work Bioware put into the game, To have the last 15 mins ruin all that... Hold the line.

[mCmuFFeL]

Benirus wrote...

The GameStation Podcast is talking about the Mass Effect 3 ending

www.youtube.com/watch

Starts at about: 2:32:05

Thanks btw Jesse for forcing TB to talk about it

thx for posting

[Goikiu]

Sevantha wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

(My English is so-so but i'll try to explain)
You know, refund something it isn't bad itself. However many can think that they will give you a refund if you haven't liked the end and they choose not to fix/change/add it.

For this it can be seen as a bad thing.

Good thing is that they are "listening" or at least "watching" over us, or they won't have give a full refund for ME3.

Or maybe they pulled this to make you feel bad for them, to make everyone who has loved bioware games so far, feel bad and think "oh this is not what i wanted, i dont want this company to fail because i didnt like the ending" and make them stop fighting out of guilt. The same way than trying to tell us "we are human we were tired" is trying to make you feel bad for them.

I'm not talking about that.
This Action (the refund one) can break the movement, because most of us, after returning it will not hold the line anymore. 

[apieros]

Why Was the Ending Botched?

You're on a Dev team. You're trying to end a trilogy, one of the marquee series of this console generation (alongside Halo and GoW). 

Lot of pressure. Lot of money riding on your decisions.

You have to come up with an ending. One that works in gameplay as well as story. Above all, you have to be original.

You start with TIM as a mutated hyper-husk as a boss battle. (This is not speculation, it's in the N7 artbook.) But a boss battle is too obvious. Bioshock had a boss battle, and it was cheesy.

And you must be original. Memorable. An ending that will be talked about for years. So no boss battle.

No obvious ending. A "whatta twist!" ending.

[Note: It is at this point the team shoots themselves in the foot. The ending people are demanding is the obvious ending, the "your choices matter" ending, the "see my Assets in action" ending. An ending like ME 2 or Fallout: New Vegas. A satisfying ending. As soon as you reject that as being too obvious, you doom whatever ending you come up with to being dissatisfying.]

So, in the name of originality, you decide to go with "no real fight, just dialogue". (Again, NOT speculation. Sourced from interviews in the "Last Hours" app.) A purely mental struggle against TIM, with him controlling your body. 

As late as November of 2010, you're working on this. And it sucks. It fails. (Not speculation. Again, in "Last Hours.") And the game must be released in March, 4 months from now.

4 months before the hard, can't miss deadline gives you 2-3 months fix this mess. (To give time to manufacture and ship.) 2-3 months to rewrite the entire ending from scratch, and implement it in the game. 

Hail Mary. That is, a last-minute desperate try to make something deep, something artistic, something original, something thinky. Something...

Abstract. Philosophical. Ambiguous.

"Lots of speculation for everybody." It worked for The Sopranos, right?

And that's what we got.

And thus the current ending—which failed to be deep, artistic, or original—is the natural end result of a decision made very early on in development to forego the obvious "fight and maybe win" ending in favor of the "whatta twist!" ending.

("Reapers aren't actually bad guys." Whatta twist!)

That seems to be what happened.

Modifié par apieros, 20 mars 2012 - 11:38 .

[CheekyWeazel]

Was there any information on why they changed the Original Drew Karpyshyn Dark-Engery-Ending to the current one ? I read that he was fired and that there was a leaked script of ME3 (dont know if it included the dark energy ending) but that alone cant be the Reasons for the massive Story Change can it ?

Modifié par CheekyWeazel, 20 mars 2012 - 11:41 .

[Lil One]

fade2black2610 wrote...
Also, I can't seem to get onto the stats site http://www.r3stats.net/. Am I the only one? I haven't seen it updated since last night

Seems to work fine for me.

[wicked_being]

Benirus wrote...

Benirus wrote...

The GameStation Podcast is talking about the Mass Effect 3 ending

www.youtube.com/watch

Starts at about: 2:32:05

Thanks btw Jesse for forcing TB to talk about it

Absolutly worth listening too, this is sure to get us alot of reinforcements!

TB was hilarious. "Congratulations Bioware, you have discovered cellophane!" And Yogscast's reaction to the ending is absolutely priceless.

Modifié par wicked_being, 20 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[Benirus]

CheekyWeazel wrote...

Was there any information on why they changed the Original Drew Karpyshyn Dark-Engery-Ending to the current one ? He was fired, yes, but that alone cant be the Reason for the Story Change can it ?

Lot's of speculation for everyone

I have no idea.

[Sevantha]

CheekyWeazel wrote...

Was there any information on why they changed the Original Drew Karpyshyn Dark-Engery-Ending to the current one ? He was fired, yes, but that alone cant be the Reason for the Story Change can it ?

maybe the other writer(s) was simply not capable enough? Maybe it was taking to much time and EA pressed them to get things done?
Why was he fired anyways? that seems to be rather uhm unwise when you have him write the first game, most of the second and he is the one who drafted up how the game should end before the game really got started? 

[Atrocity]

I remember hearing someone leaked the story? Don't know for sure though

[CheekyWeazel]

Yes, but was the leaked script the Dark-Energy-Ending ?

[AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ]

Goikiu wrote...

Sevantha wrote...

We haven't lost anything, I don't get why anyone would think its bad news for us that Amazon grands a full refund for the game. It's quite the oposite in my opinion. Up until now bioware had most likely sold enough games to make more than up for the proctuction costs of the game. I bet they are very much in the plus here. So changing or adding to the ending for them is a question of how much more money can they gain and will they lose anything by not doing anything and just releasing DLC stuff that adds to the game BEFORE the mission to the cerberus base.

If players have now the chance to give the game they bought back and get a full refund this means the numbers will drop, less sold games means less money. It also means bad press if say 500000 (thats just a made up number ofc) games were given back.
What does that mean for bioware and EA? simple they are starting to lose some of the money they have already gotten (if the refund is from origin) or they won't be getting any more money of "new" sold games from amazon because they will have a stock of returned games.
No company likes to lose money they have already planned with, so this puts presure on them to fix the ending and make the fans happy so that those who already returned it will rebuy it again. I've spoke to players who have returned the game even writing in the letter/email they will rebuy the game as soon as bioware fixes the end.

Bioware and EA have already "lost" quite some money this year because of swtor. If you have followed that you will know they did not sell as much games as they hoped and they did not get the amount of subscribers they hoped for either.
They will not want to risk to lose even more money with Mass effect, because let's face it, the mass effect fan base is huge and if they wouldn't see the chance of making a lot of money on us, they wouldn't have released so much DLCs in the past.

It's up to them now to respond to this and fast before more and more players will simply return their game and not bother with this anymore.

But it is not simply about how much more money they can make.  It is also about building a brand.  BW has been an awesome brand for what?  A decade?  More?  I know I have been loyal to bioware since I played KOTOR in 2008.  I was a late comer, but I have bought every one of their games since then and planned on buying TOR, but now I am not going to.  If they destroy the brand by making some short term gains on a single game a company folds.  It may be about money, but they have to have a long term strategy.  Alienating a large portion of their fan base is not a sound long term strategy.
Also, sorry if I screwed up the cutting of the quotes, Im not exactly great at this whole forum thing.

[Iucounou]

Morning all. Anything of any great interest to report?

[allyon]

Wow nice going on the BBC.
SSV Lexington must leave for work.
Will be back later this evening or morning, which ever it.
Will hold the line.

[KLGChaos]

Sevantha wrote...

CheekyWeazel wrote...

Was there any information on why they changed the Original Drew Karpyshyn Dark-Engery-Ending to the current one ? He was fired, yes, but that alone cant be the Reason for the Story Change can it ?

maybe the other writer(s) was simply not capable enough? Maybe it was taking to much time and EA pressed them to get things done?
Why was he fired anyways? that seems to be rather uhm unwise when you have him write the first game, most of the second and he is the one who drafted up how the game should end before the game really got started? 

He wasn't fired. He retired from video game writing after finishing up TOR to focus on his novel.

[Valk72]

Yo guys! Any news since yesterday?

[silencemayday]

Elheldo wrote...

Here is the Austria Fleet

Bioware must change the Ending so

Hold the Line!

welcome brother/sister. 

austrian infiltrators reporting in, in desperate need of coffee. 

[Hendrik.III]

Goikiu wrote...

Sevantha wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

(My English is so-so but i'll try to explain)
You know, refund something it isn't bad itself. However many can think that they will give you a refund if you haven't liked the end and they choose not to fix/change/add it.

For this it can be seen as a bad thing.

Good thing is that they are "listening" or at least "watching" over us, or they won't have give a full refund for ME3.

Or maybe they pulled this to make you feel bad for them, to make everyone who has loved bioware games so far, feel bad and think "oh this is not what i wanted, i dont want this company to fail because i didnt like the ending" and make them stop fighting out of guilt. The same way than trying to tell us "we are human we were tired" is trying to make you feel bad for them.

I'm not talking about that.
This Action (the refund one) can break the movement, because most of us, after returning it will not hold the line anymore. 

Most people holding the line love the game too much and will surely wait for a comment from BioWare first. It's don't that we no longer want ME3... we just want it to have a proper Mass Effect ending.

Do not abandon hope! Hold the line!