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[Johnnycide]

Rdubs wrote...

What really sucks for me is my wife bought me the CE as a Christmas present. Once I found out about all this, and the "issue" with the Prothean DLC, it made me so turned off that I wanted to cancel my CE pre-order and just pick up a normal copy whereby I would just watch the Prothean DLC material on Youtube. Just to increase the data count of people canceling pre-orders by 1. But if I did that my wife would take it as me returning her gift to me which she thought I'd love, which would kill her.

The only thing I can do is keep it and hold out hope that the guy who said there is a happy ending, no one has just gotten it yet (from a few pages back), is right.

Thanks great people who made all this happen.

There'll be a happy ending, a couple months from now, in the form of a DLC.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Tietj wrote...

GodWood wrote...

recentio wrote...
We're saying it becasue that's the only choice many of us actually care about -- Shepard & crew alive together in just one ending. JUST ONE!

Well I guess it's canon that Shepard isn't so selfish that he'd put his needs above the rest of of the galaxy's.

Personally I'd accept such an ending (Shepard lives with crew) if it meant screwing over the galaxy and letting trillions die. Keeps with the theme Bioware apparently wants to have.

Really, buddy, you can't think of ONE scenario in which Shepard getting stranded WITH his crew--which is all a lot of people are asking for--isn't a selfish act?  Truthfully, the fact that they are separated feels pretty contrived; it would make far more sense if at least the people he took with him on his final mission stayed with him.  It's disingenuous to claim that to want one shred of positivity for the main characters is "selfish."

Yeah, apparently the choice to make your crew take a hike isn't left up to you. Renegade or Paragon, you tell them to leave you behind.

[humes spork]

GodWood wrote...

Well I guess it's canon that Shepard isn't so selfish that he'd put his needs above the rest of of the galaxy's.

Personally I'd accept such an ending (Shepard lives with crew) if it meant screwing over the galaxy and letting trillions die. Keeps with the theme Bioware apparently wants to have.

Maybe you would, and your Shepard(s) would, but I know me and my Shepard playthroughs. Screwing over the galaxy and letting trillions die? Not acceptable. Becoming the Reapers' immortal boss? Aww, hells yeah. The cycle of extinction may be over, but I think the galaxy may have suffered a better fate in the long run being Reaped. My favorite Shepard can't even be trusted with one of those little plastic guns that shoot a flag that says "POW!". Her entire justification for saving the Council was "well if they're dead I can't tell them I told you so later".

At the very least, I hope the Hanar appreciate living to see another beautiful evening during which they can look up to their moon and see, lovingly carved with Reaper superweapons, "ENKINDLERS SUCK".

[Tietj]

GodWood wrote...

Tietj wrote...
No, but he is kind of a Mary Sue, and I say that in the kindest way possible.

I know, that's why I never liked him.

Le sigh... you never liked the main character and yet you've bought every game and post in a forum about... you know what, never mind, I'm not even going to try to get into that.  The point is, if you know that he's a Mary Sue character, then you also know that it's completely out of character for the series to end on such a downer for him.  So you might also then be able to understand and sympathize with people who DID like him being a trifle disappointed.

[GodWood]

Tietj wrote...

GodWood wrote...

recentio wrote...
We're saying it becasue that's the only choice many of us actually care about -- Shepard & crew alive together in just one ending. JUST ONE!

Well I guess it's canon that Shepard isn't so selfish that he'd put his needs above the rest of of the galaxy's.

Personally I'd accept such an ending (Shepard lives with crew) if it meant screwing over the galaxy and letting trillions die. Keeps with the theme Bioware apparently wants to have.

Really, buddy, you can't think of ONE scenario in which Shepard getting stranded WITH his crew--which is all a lot of people are asking for--isn't a selfish act?

Well that's not what I said.

I can think of billions of silly scenarios. Some of which would probably cater to you. The thing is based on the context of "the final choice" they all require self sacrifice from Shepard. The only way to avoid that is to be selfish.

Clearly Bioware is [suddenly] trying to tell you you can't always play hero and you can't have you're cake and eat it too.

[Unit-Alpha]

xtorma wrote...

Patriota125 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

So what happens if this is the case? It's your problem if you don't believe it. I'm just worried you're gonna go homicidal/suicidal if it actually is the case. Seriously.

Yeah, I was just going to the kitchen to get a knife and stab myself to death because I'm raging over some fangirl whine.

I don't give a FVCKING FVCK if you think Bioware destroyed their universe, THEY DIDN'T. They said they were going to finish Shepards story and they just did. They killed him. What an brilliant ending. What did you expect if you were fighting against some ancient menace that has been around for more than 37 millions of years and erradicate the entire galatic civilization or rather, reunite civilization to make them into reapers?. Sunshine and bunnies? Well no, I invite you to watch Twilight, there's going to be a happy ending on those series.

you talk about being tired of the twilight fangirl raging and look at this post. You claim to be an adult , but you show every sign of being an 13 year old. should I put up the posts where you insulted and belittled me , for my opinion?

Grow up mr. adult. We can all have a conversation on the issues , without childish namecalling.....Mr. adult.

Fight the good fight, brother, that guy is unreachable.

[Unit-Alpha]

GodWood wrote...

Tietj wrote...

GodWood wrote...

recentio wrote...
We're saying it becasue that's the only choice many of us actually care about -- Shepard & crew alive together in just one ending. JUST ONE!

Well I guess it's canon that Shepard isn't so selfish that he'd put his needs above the rest of of the galaxy's.

Personally I'd accept such an ending (Shepard lives with crew) if it meant screwing over the galaxy and letting trillions die. Keeps with the theme Bioware apparently wants to have.

Really, buddy, you can't think of ONE scenario in which Shepard getting stranded WITH his crew--which is all a lot of people are asking for--isn't a selfish act?

Well that's not what I said.

I can think of billions of silly scenarios. Some of which would probably cater to you. The thing is based on the context of "the final choice" they all require self sacrifice from Shepard. The only way to avoid that is to be selfish.

Clearly Bioware is [suddenly] trying to tell you you can't always play hero and you can't have you're cake and eat it too.

Except for they decide whether we have the cake or eat it.

That's the issue.

[GodWood]

Tietj wrote...
Le sigh... you never liked the main character and yet you've bought every game and post in a forum about... you know what, never mind, I'm not even going to try to get into that.

I liked the setting, I liked the lore and I liked the characters.

You know, the actual good parts. 

The point is, if you know that he's a Mary Sue character, then you also know that it's completely out of character for the series to end on such a downer for him.

I find it completely out of character for the universe to have a Mary Sue who can prance around and play God. The fact that he's finally taken down is the setting finally being fully "in character". 

So you might also then be able to understand and sympathize with people who DID like him being a trifle disappointed.

I don't sympathise with people who support the existence of Mary Sues.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

albertalad wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

It's kinda weird that they went with a mage/templar thing. Synthetics vs Organics.Seriously Bioware. Come on now. It's getting silly.

Dead on with your analysis - this ending would be downright silly at best and sadastic at worst. I was replaying ME2 to get at best a near perfect ending with pits but now I've lost interest - totally. That's the real issue BW has on its hands. I'll remember YOU BW - never good or nostalgic just bitter at your claim BW to let me have choices. YOU (BW) failed me when it really counted most. And my wallet will NEVER open for you again. That you can take to the bank!.

Nothing disappointed me more than trying a second runthrough with a mage character, thinking it would make for a more interesting player experience. Then I realized when it came to the plight of mages I was the only one that didn't count.

[txgoldrush]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

jreezy wrote...

GodWood wrote...

There are multiple endings are many, many variables that determine how successful the galaxy is against the Reapers. That, is, choice. Just because Shepard can't live "happily ever after" that doesn't mean the series is now void of choice.

He's not a ****ing god.

This.

There are several variables yes. Do you want a blue, red, or green ending?

How about try rushing the finale and getting the crap kicked out of you where not only you die, but SO DOES YOUR CREW.

Nevermind the fact that choices efffect the endgame was well.

Look at TW2's ending...your choices affect the ENDGAME more than the ENDING. There is also an ENGAME in ME3.

Even having consquences shown from your actions make this game have FAR better choice and consquence than any Bioware game, even DAO, who uses lazy ending cards.

Bioware is far from the WRPG Gods of chocie and consquence.

[kingsims]

These endings are stolen from deus ex....

Synthesis ending - JC uploads himself to helios and humanity becomes "One and together" and all wars and fighting stop, JC nows controls everything electronic on earth.

Destroy ending - JC says this is all wrong and blows up helios and causes a new dark age for humanity.

Control ending - JC decied to preserve helios and joins the illumanti who now control humanity future.

The ending themes are very similar.

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

albertalad wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

It's kinda weird that they went with a mage/templar thing. Synthetics vs Organics.Seriously Bioware. Come on now. It's getting silly.

Dead on with your analysis - this ending would be downright silly at best and sadastic at worst. I was replaying ME2 to get at best a near perfect ending with pits but now I've lost interest - totally. That's the real issue BW has on its hands. I'll remember YOU BW - never good or nostalgic just bitter at your claim BW to let me have choices. YOU (BW) failed me when it really counted most. And my wallet will NEVER open for you again. That you can take to the bank!.

I just bought ME1 on steam last week in anticipation of my CE order next tuesday. And to think i was all "Wow! A space epic trilogy 5 years in the making!"

Right now, i dun even know what to do with my ME 1 anymore...

[Tietj]

GodWood wrote...

Tietj wrote...

GodWood wrote...

recentio wrote...
We're saying it becasue that's the only choice many of us actually care about -- Shepard & crew alive together in just one ending. JUST ONE!

Well I guess it's canon that Shepard isn't so selfish that he'd put his needs above the rest of of the galaxy's.

Personally I'd accept such an ending (Shepard lives with crew) if it meant screwing over the galaxy and letting trillions die. Keeps with the theme Bioware apparently wants to have.

Really, buddy, you can't think of ONE scenario in which Shepard getting stranded WITH his crew--which is all a lot of people are asking for--isn't a selfish act?

Well that's not what I said.

I can think of billions of silly scenarios. Some of which would probably cater to you. The thing is based on the context of "the final choice" they all require self sacrifice from Shepard. The only way to avoid that is to be selfish.

Clearly Bioware is [suddenly] trying to tell you you can't always play hero and you can't have you're cake and eat it too.

Actually, my friend, in a video game, I can, and in a non-artsy video game like Mass Effect, I should be able to. 

[xtorma]

Rdubs wrote...

What really sucks for me is my wife bought me the CE as a Christmas present. Once I found out about all this, and the "issue" with the Prothean DLC, it made me so turned off that I wanted to cancel my CE pre-order and just pick up a normal copy whereby I would just watch the Prothean DLC material on Youtube. Just to increase the data count of people canceling pre-orders by 1. But if I did that my wife would take it as me returning her gift to me which she thought I'd love, which would kill her.

The only thing I can do is keep it and hold out hope that the guy who said there is a happy ending, no one has just gotten it yet (from a few pages back), is right.

Thanks great people who made all this happen.

same thing here , i told her to cancel it and spend the money on a new outfit. she wasn't dissapointed at all

[Unit-Alpha]

ithurtz wrote...

albertalad wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

It's kinda weird that they went with a mage/templar thing. Synthetics vs Organics.Seriously Bioware. Come on now. It's getting silly.

Dead on with your analysis - this ending would be downright silly at best and sadastic at worst. I was replaying ME2 to get at best a near perfect ending with pits but now I've lost interest - totally. That's the real issue BW has on its hands. I'll remember YOU BW - never good or nostalgic just bitter at your claim BW to let me have choices. YOU (BW) failed me when it really counted most. And my wallet will NEVER open for you again. That you can take to the bank!.

I just bought ME1 on steam last week in anticipation of my CE order next tuesday. And to think i was all "Wow! A space epic trilogy 5 years in the making!"

Right now, i dun even know what to do with my ME 1 anymore...

Play it and love it, then buy ME2 and do the same.

Regardless of what happens, those two were amazing games.

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

DCYNIGR8 wrote...

Is it clear where the whole "stranded Normandy" situation takes place? Is it before Shepard returns to Earth for the final battle?

As explained by a player who has beaten it... MASSIVE SPOILERS

"Some of you know the things I have posted about the endings, some think
you do. I have seen lots of people that mistranslated things I said, or
heard them from a third party. Here is the summary of each ending. Note,
no ending is Paragon or Renegade, it just depends on what you think the
future may hold.

Destroy - Guardian explains tech singularity
and you think he is full of it. So you blow up the Reapers. This blows
up the Citadel, and kills all synthetic life. Yes that includes EDI and
the Geth. It does NOT eliminate all tech based in Element Zero. I still
don't know where that idea came from.

Control - Guardian explains
tech singularity and you think "crap that might really happen" so you
decide to keep the reapers around, but you are the new master. Perhaps
you also feel bad that each reaper represents a race of life forms, and
if you killed them you would be the biggest mass murderer of all time.
So you have your body vaporized and your mind absorbed by the Citadel,
replacing the Guardian. You immediately call off the Reapers.

Synthesis
(official name, not Merge) - Guardian explains tech singularity, but
that if the organic and synthetic were united all would be raised to a
higher existence. You jump in to the crucible energy beam and are
dissolved, collector base style. A pulse then comes from the Citadel,
changing all of the Reapers along with all other life into a hybrid. The
Reapers stop attacking on their own. The Citadel is destroyed.

In
all three, the Relays are used to spread the chosen action galaxy wide.
In all three, that process destroys them. They blow up Arrival style,
but spew out the chosen type of energy, not just a blast wave like in
Arrival.

In all three, the Normandy and her crew are attempting
to flee the explosion in the Charon relay, but it catches up to them and
they crash on an alien world. "

So there we basically have it, in context. I still think it's horribly cruel and a massive disservice to fans. We should have been allowed our idealistic freedom where we'll probably end up ruining ourselves sooner or later but Shepard and his friends get a happy ending.

These ending choices make all the little things of the Mass Effect universe pointless. Especially the Synergy Ending.

I honestly think there are more people in the world that want the choice of endings that won't depress them. The laugh is Destroy Ending seems like something the renegade would do. Ironically it's the only one where Shepard can live and basically ignores the problems in the future.

It seems like Bioware considers the Synthesis ending to be the ideal one. Shepard dies truely (as in he doesn't become the citadel conscience and he doesn't end up half dead back on earth. It probably gives the galaxy the best bet of survival although who knows what such beings will be like. It also ensures EDI and the Geth don't die.

[xtorma]

ithurtz wrote...

albertalad wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

It's kinda weird that they went with a mage/templar thing. Synthetics vs Organics.Seriously Bioware. Come on now. It's getting silly.

Dead on with your analysis - this ending would be downright silly at best and sadastic at worst. I was replaying ME2 to get at best a near perfect ending with pits but now I've lost interest - totally. That's the real issue BW has on its hands. I'll remember YOU BW - never good or nostalgic just bitter at your claim BW to let me have choices. YOU (BW) failed me when it really counted most. And my wallet will NEVER open for you again. That you can take to the bank!.

I just bought ME1 on steam last week in anticipation of my CE order next tuesday. And to think i was all "Wow! A space epic trilogy 5 years in the making!"

Right now, i dun even know what to do with my ME 1 anymore...

Play it , it is fun , just dont do any side quests and you'll be done in a few hours.

[Tietj]

GodWood wrote...

Tietj wrote...
Le sigh... you never liked the main character and yet you've bought every game and post in a forum about... you know what, never mind, I'm not even going to try to get into that.

I liked the setting, I liked the lore and I liked the characters.

You know, the actual good parts. 

The point is, if you know that he's a Mary Sue character, then you also know that it's completely out of character for the series to end on such a downer for him.

I find it completely out of character for the universe to have a Mary Sue who can prance around and play God. The fact that he's finally taken down is the setting finally being fully "in character". 

So you might also then be able to understand and sympathize with people who DID like him being a trifle disappointed.

I don't sympathise with people who support the existence of Mary Sues.

You must hate the majority of the people on this forum.  Or at least you think you're better than them, which, I might venture to say, definitely comes across in your condescending tone.

[GodWood]

Tietj wrote...
Actually, my friend, in a video game, I can, and in a non-artsy video game like Mass Effect, I should be able to. 

Well evidently you can't

[shimpt]

kingsims wrote...

These endings are stolen from deus ex....

Synthesis ending - JC uploads himself to helios and humanity becomes "One and together" and all wars and fighting stop, JC nows controls everything electronic on earth.

Destroy ending - JC says this is all wrong and blows up helios and causes a new dark age for humanity.

Control ending - JC decied to preserve helios and joins the illumanti who now control humanity future.

The ending themes are very similar.

Im with you it is like someone saw that game and was like that would be a great way to end six years and no one else at the tabble noticed he was kidding.

[Kasen]

GodWood wrote...

Johnnycide wrote...
No, no, three endings which have the same result are an illusion of choice.

There are issues with the endings that annoy me (Relays always destroyed) that are relevant to what you're saying.

The thing is that's not what people are complaining about nor is it what they refer to when speaking of "lack of choice".

To the contrary, the destruction of the Mass Relays is my main reason for being "annoyed." (Edit: I obviously cannot speak for everyone)

Admittedly, I'm not happy about the fate of the Normandy on some backwater planet either... but it's the loss of galactic civilization as we know it (which is what I thought we were fighting for) that really tops my list. And that is completely unavoidable, according to these claims...

I do believe ME3 will be a great game and I will enjoy it immensely - right up to the bitter end, which I strongly believe will further tarnish Bioware's reputation.

Modifié par Kasen13, 01 mars 2012 - 07:12 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

ithurtz wrote...

albertalad wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

It's kinda weird that they went with a mage/templar thing. Synthetics vs Organics.Seriously Bioware. Come on now. It's getting silly.

Dead on with your analysis - this ending would be downright silly at best and sadastic at worst. I was replaying ME2 to get at best a near perfect ending with pits but now I've lost interest - totally. That's the real issue BW has on its hands. I'll remember YOU BW - never good or nostalgic just bitter at your claim BW to let me have choices. YOU (BW) failed me when it really counted most. And my wallet will NEVER open for you again. That you can take to the bank!.

I just bought ME1 on steam last week in anticipation of my CE order next tuesday. And to think i was all "Wow! A space epic trilogy 5 years in the making!"

Right now, i dun even know what to do with my ME 1 anymore...

I'd play through it, and two. Be content with that.

[xtorma]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

ithurtz wrote...

albertalad wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

It's kinda weird that they went with a mage/templar thing. Synthetics vs Organics.Seriously Bioware. Come on now. It's getting silly.

Dead on with your analysis - this ending would be downright silly at best and sadastic at worst. I was replaying ME2 to get at best a near perfect ending with pits but now I've lost interest - totally. That's the real issue BW has on its hands. I'll remember YOU BW - never good or nostalgic just bitter at your claim BW to let me have choices. YOU (BW) failed me when it really counted most. And my wallet will NEVER open for you again. That you can take to the bank!.

I just bought ME1 on steam last week in anticipation of my CE order next tuesday. And to think i was all "Wow! A space epic trilogy 5 years in the making!"

Right now, i dun even know what to do with my ME 1 anymore...

Play it and love it, then buy ME2 and do the same.

Regardless of what happens, those two were amazing games.

me2 was not amazing...it was.....ok

[yoshibb]

GodWood wrote...

Tietj wrote...

GodWood wrote...

recentio wrote...
We're saying it becasue that's the only choice many of us actually care about -- Shepard & crew alive together in just one ending. JUST ONE!

Well I guess it's canon that Shepard isn't so selfish that he'd put his needs above the rest of of the galaxy's.

Personally I'd accept such an ending (Shepard lives with crew) if it meant screwing over the galaxy and letting trillions die. Keeps with the theme Bioware apparently wants to have.

Really, buddy, you can't think of ONE scenario in which Shepard getting stranded WITH his crew--which is all a lot of people are asking for--isn't a selfish act?

Well that's not what I said.

I can think of billions of silly scenarios. Some of which would probably cater to you. The thing is based on the context of "the final choice" they all require self sacrifice from Shepard. The only way to avoid that is to be selfish.

Clearly Bioware is [suddenly] trying to tell you you can't always play hero and you can't have you're cake and eat it too.

Seems more to me that Bioware has been giving us the cake and letting us eat for years and now they are suddenly pulling it away. Kind of gonna ****** people off.

[GodWood]

Tietj wrote...
You must hate the majority of the people on this forum.  Or at least you think you're better than them, which, I might venture to say, definitely comes across in your condescending tone.

With only a few posts you've worked out I'm a narcissist and a misanthrope.

Good job!