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[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Crovax_PSO wrote...

dw99027 wrote...

While the endings will effect people differently (I personally like that ME1's portrayal of the Reapers as a nigh unbeatable force is prove accurate ), one has to consider that the writers have to perfectly balance the ending to accommodate both closure for Shepard and the starting ground for a new story set in the future. This cannot possibly happen with extremely varying finales. Quoting myself from another thread:

The relays being gone sets an interesting ground for a game/trilogy set far into the future, where civilisations establish new ways to travel vast distances in space. At this point Shepard is a mythical figure or simply forgotten, the existence of past relays and/or alien species is also a myth, and the different races will have to re-aqcuaint themselves. This will also allow the developers to use imported saved data from ME3 but nothing too major so as to hold their creativity back.

Humans meet Turians for seemingly the first time? Races creating independent AIs? Salvaging buried Reaper tech to incorporate? A species trying to upload the whole of itself into an immortal machine? You as the player know how these things ended in the past, yet in-game characters can only speculate, much like we do in real life today. This is great setting for the future of the IP, but it requires a very specific ME ending so that the universe can be re-invented.

So they throw the whole trilogy under the bus for the sake of the next game in the franchise, and that's supposed to be okay?

Not to mention they've made it pretty clear that this is the end of Mass Effect.

[GodWood]

Tietj wrote...
Yeah, it's always hilarious when people are disappointed. Especially when you're better than those people

inorite?

albertalad wrote...
I really understand your issue - that is the real cost that BW will pay for this idiocy. Huge drop off in new buyers and none from those of us who have been used and thrown away like used toilet paper!

FYI, the hate isn't as universal as many would like to think.

The reaction on the Escapist forums for example is quite positive. That's not to say I don't doubt the pleb masses are going to storm the forums demanding that Bioware fulfills their headcanon and makes it so Shepard and his LI live happily ever after but it's still something of note.

[Nyaore]

dw99027 wrote...

While the endings will effect people differently (I personally like that ME1's portrayal of the Reapers as a nigh unbeatable force is prove accurate ), one has to consider that the writers have to perfectly balance the ending to accommodate both closure for Shepard and the starting ground for a new story set in the future. This cannot possibly happen with extremely varying finales. Quoting myself from another thread:

The relays being gone sets an interesting ground for a game/trilogy set far into the future, where civilisations establish new ways to travel vast distances in space. At this point Shepard is a mythical figure or simply forgotten, the existence of past relays and/or alien species is also a myth, and the different races will have to re-aqcuaint themselves. This will also allow the developers to use imported saved data from ME3 but nothing too major so as to hold their creativity back.

Humans meet Turians for seemingly the first time? Races creating independent AIs? Salvaging buried Reaper tech to incorporate? A species trying to upload the whole of itself into an immortal machine? You as the player know how these things ended in the past, yet in-game characters can only speculate, much like we do in real life today. This is great setting for the future of the IP, but it requires a very specific ME ending so that the universe can be re-invented.

And as I said earlier, they can easily remedy this by picking one ending and making it their personal canon or setting the future titles in the series so far ahead in time that the specifics of the war with the Reapers has long since fallen into myth and they can satisfy all outcomes with events occuring in the inbetween years.
Or at the very least don't advetise the endings as being very different from one another when they aren't really in hindsight. 

Sorry, I see where you're coming from but I also think a lot of this could have been avoided with scenarios like the ones I just mentioned.

Modifié par Nyaore, 01 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

Nyaore wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Johnnycide wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

What really sucks for me is my wife bought me the CE as a Christmas present. Once I found out about all this, and the "issue" with the Prothean DLC, it made me so turned off that I wanted to cancel my CE pre-order and just pick up a normal copy whereby I would just watch the Prothean DLC material on Youtube. Just to increase the data count of people canceling pre-orders by 1. But if I did that my wife would take it as me returning her gift to me which she thought I'd love, which would kill her.

The only thing I can do is keep it and hold out hope that the guy who said there is a happy ending, no one has just gotten it yet (from a few pages back), is right.

Thanks great people who made all this happen.

There'll be a happy ending, a couple months from now, in the form of a DLC.

People are already mad enough at the endings now but if we have to pay more for a better ending still is just....

I'm already paying for a CE so I hope this "better ending DLC" is freakin' free...

Otherwise, as Sten would say,

No.



I'll watch the "better" ending for free on YT.

Agreed, so hard. If they ever do come out with a 'better' ending it had better be free for everyone, otherwise I'm just going to do the same as you and watch it for free and form my own headcanon surrounding it. I can also guarantee that if the vast majority of the people who play the game get this pissed about the endings, assuming we aren't just the vocal minority, trying to make people PAY for a good ending would only further the rift they've created.

Oh man, would the epic poopoo storm come next wednesday be epic.

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

I just don't know if I can bring myself to play Mass Effect 3 now. The game's ending goes against everything the series has stood for so far basically forcing you to pick between 3 evils and I don't know if I can enjoy the journey knowing that. Bioware knows that the vast majority of people wouldn't want this. It's just cruel and uncalled for. Bittersweet? It's just Bitter.

[yoshibb]

The problem with the endings and why people believe they are the same is that the big variables are the same.

Shepard sacrifices, crew stranded, relays destroyed

Let's make a few adjustments:

Destroy: Shepard blows up the relays destroying all mass effect technology, Reapers are dead but so is space travel and technology. People are forced back a thousand years and some races cannot survive the change. The Normandy crew is stranded on Earth with Shepard, but the cost is incredibly high

Merge: Shepard dies, but the galaxy is born anew as a hybrid race of sentient/non sentient. Technology is booming and the relays are still intact. Shepard is hailed as a hero but the crew of the Normandy is forced to yet again deal with the death of their leader.

Control: Shepard gives up everything for power, the relays are destroyed but the Reapers are still intact. Shepard slowly morphs into something inhuman and no longer has any desire for human/alien contact. Shepard controls the galaxy, though, and essentially becomes a god at the expense of everyone and everything he/she loves.

And one more ending I'm making up: Shepard does not take any of the choices and attempts to win the war on the backs of his/her army. Trillions of lives are lost and Normandy delivers a key blow to the Reaper forces before going down in a blaze of glory. Shepard and his/her crew exchange goodbyes in their last moments and go out together. The Reapers are dead by the end but the population has been crippled. It will take thousands of years to repair all that is lost.

There, that took me what? Ten minutes? Bittersweet endings that don't make everyone pissed.

Modifié par yoshibb, 01 mars 2012 - 07:33 .

[xtorma]

Crovax_PSO wrote...

dw99027 wrote...

While the endings will effect people differently (I personally like that ME1's portrayal of the Reapers as a nigh unbeatable force is prove accurate ), one has to consider that the writers have to perfectly balance the ending to accommodate both closure for Shepard and the starting ground for a new story set in the future. This cannot possibly happen with extremely varying finales. Quoting myself from another thread:

The relays being gone sets an interesting ground for a game/trilogy set far into the future, where civilisations establish new ways to travel vast distances in space. At this point Shepard is a mythical figure or simply forgotten, the existence of past relays and/or alien species is also a myth, and the different races will have to re-aqcuaint themselves. This will also allow the developers to use imported saved data from ME3 but nothing too major so as to hold their creativity back.

Humans meet Turians for seemingly the first time? Races creating independent AIs? Salvaging buried Reaper tech to incorporate? A species trying to upload the whole of itself into an immortal machine? You as the player know how these things ended in the past, yet in-game characters can only speculate, much like we do in real life today. This is great setting for the future of the IP, but it requires a very specific ME ending so that the universe can be re-invented.

So they throw the whole trilogy under the bus for the sake of the next game in the franchise, and that's supposed to be okay?

whether it's ok or not is irrelavant, as long as people buy the game its all good to them.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

I know this is a little off topic, but to anyone that has played the game is there a huge sense of urgency or can you still kind of play the game at your own pace?

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

I just don't know if I can bring myself to play Mass Effect 3 now. The game's ending goes against everything the series has stood for so far basically forcing you to pick between 3 evils and I don't know if I can enjoy the journey knowing that. Bioware knows that the vast majority of people wouldn't want this. It's just cruel and uncalled for. Bittersweet? It's just Bitter.

I guess their idea of sweet is that of curdled milk left in a cupboard for too long... bitter and twisted is what i call it.

[Kasen]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

I just don't know if I can bring myself to play Mass Effect 3 now. The game's ending goes against everything the series has stood for so far basically forcing you to pick between 3 evils and I don't know if I can enjoy the journey knowing that. Bioware knows that the vast majority of people wouldn't want this. It's just cruel and uncalled for. Bittersweet? It's just Bitter.

At this point, I'm seriously considering just hand-waving the ending (kind of the same way I did for Shepard's death and the Lazarus Project, which to this day really makes no sense to me).

Play the game, enjoy it (I have no doubt it will be great) then just totally ignore the ending and make up my own in my head. I don't care if anyone else sees it that way, and I doubt I'd bother sticking around on the forums afterwards (edit: I'll probably lurk for awhile, which is pretty much what I do anyway - I never post even half of what I think), but that's really where I'm going at this point...

Same thing I did for Lucas' "Greedo Shoots at Han First" idiocy... nope, never happened.

Modifié par Kasen13, 01 mars 2012 - 07:33 .

[Obidex]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Crovax_PSO wrote...

dw99027 wrote...

While the endings will effect people differently (I personally like that ME1's portrayal of the Reapers as a nigh unbeatable force is prove accurate ), one has to consider that the writers have to perfectly balance the ending to accommodate both closure for Shepard and the starting ground for a new story set in the future. This cannot possibly happen with extremely varying finales. Quoting myself from another thread:

The relays being gone sets an interesting ground for a game/trilogy set far into the future, where civilisations establish new ways to travel vast distances in space. At this point Shepard is a mythical figure or simply forgotten, the existence of past relays and/or alien species is also a myth, and the different races will have to re-aqcuaint themselves. This will also allow the developers to use imported saved data from ME3 but nothing too major so as to hold their creativity back.

Humans meet Turians for seemingly the first time? Races creating independent AIs? Salvaging buried Reaper tech to incorporate? A species trying to upload the whole of itself into an immortal machine? You as the player know how these things ended in the past, yet in-game characters can only speculate, much like we do in real life today. This is great setting for the future of the IP, but it requires a very specific ME ending so that the universe can be re-invented.

So they throw the whole trilogy under the bus for the sake of the next game in the franchise, and that's supposed to be okay?

Not to mention they've made it pretty clear that this is the end of Mass Effect.

They've made it clear that it is the end of Shepard's Story Arc, not Mass Effect

[DCYNIGR8]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

I know this is a little off topic, but to anyone that has played the game is there a huge sense of urgency or can you still kind of play the game at your own pace?

Don't think you'll find too many people who have actually played the game yet.

However, reading IGN's review in progress, apparently some side missions are time based, so I would recommend doing those ASAP before they are blocked out to you.

[DifferentD17]

200 pages bioware has to listen now.. right? ....right? D:

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

jreezy wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

I know this is a little off topic, but to anyone that has played the game is there a huge sense of urgency or can you still kind of play the game at your own pace?

IGN said not really.

Well thats lame, I want to do all the side missions and stuff and not be in a race against the clock...

[Tietj]

GodWood wrote...

Tietj wrote...
Yeah, it's always hilarious when people are disappointed. Especially when you're better than those people

inorite?

albertalad wrote...
I really understand your issue - that is the real cost that BW will pay for this idiocy. Huge drop off in new buyers and none from those of us who have been used and thrown away like used toilet paper!

FYI, the hate isn't as universal as many would like to think.

The reaction on the Escapist forums for example is quite positive. That's not to say I don't doubt the pleb masses are going to storm the forums demanding that Bioware fulfills their headcanon and makes it so Shepard and his LI live happily ever after but it's still something of note.

Oh yes, the pleb masses.  You must be fun at parties.

[xtorma]

DifferentD17 wrote...

200 pages bioware has to listen now.. right? ....right? D:

no they don't. if they cared about thier fans , this thread would not be necessary.

[Nyaore]

DifferentD17 wrote...

200 pages bioware has to listen now.. right? ....right? D:

Took them several months, dramatic loss of sales, and a virtual firestorm of topics before they admitted they might have made mistakes with DA2. Just one topic, however prolific, isn't going to change much at the moment. Besides, even if they are listening, it's a little too late for them to come up with a good ending in less than six days.

[shimpt]

DifferentD17 wrote...

200 pages bioware has to listen now.. right? ....right? D:

BW listens to there fans... sometimes but this is driven by EA and all EA gives a s*** about is Money

[kingsims]

(If your an X360 or PS3 user luckily you can trade you game in and get $40 back from game stop). If your a PC user well you just lost $60 USD.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Nyaore wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

200 pages bioware has to listen now.. right? ....right? D:

Took them several months, dramatic loss of sales, and a virtual firestorm of topics before they admitted they might have made mistakes with DA2. Just one topic, however prolific, isn't going to change much at the moment. Besides, even if they are listening, it's a little too late for them to come up with a good ending in less than six days.

I'm sure it took them less than 6 to come up with the current ones.

[GodWood]

DifferentD17 wrote...
200 pages bioware has to listen now.. right? ....right? D:

A measily 200 page thread on their foums complaining about the ending before it's released but after it has gone gold is not going to change a thing.

Tietj wrote...
Oh yes, the pleb masses. You must be fun at parties.

I hate parties.

Modifié par GodWood, 01 mars 2012 - 07:37 .

[Johnnycide]

Kasen13 wrote...

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

I just don't know if I can bring myself to play Mass Effect 3 now. The game's ending goes against everything the series has stood for so far basically forcing you to pick between 3 evils and I don't know if I can enjoy the journey knowing that. Bioware knows that the vast majority of people wouldn't want this. It's just cruel and uncalled for. Bittersweet? It's just Bitter.

At this point, I'm seriously considering just hand-waving the ending (kind of the same way I did for Shepard's death and the Lazarus Project, which to this day really makes no sense to me).

Play the game, enjoy it (I have no doubt it will be great) then just totally ignore the ending and make up my own in my head. I don't care if anyone else sees it that way, and I doubt I'd bother sticking around on the forums afterwards (edit: I'll probably lurk for awhile, which is pretty much what I do anyway - I never post even half of what I think), but that's really where I'm going at this point...

Same thing I did for Lucas' "Greedo Shoots at Han First" idiocy... nope, never happened.

Why stop at making it up in your head? Just wait a bit until the models and textures become available on something like Garry's Mod and then script your own ending, upload it to youtube, and I'm sure plenty of other people will enjoy it more than the garbage Bioware is trying to feed us.

[Nyaore]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

200 pages bioware has to listen now.. right? ....right? D:

Took them several months, dramatic loss of sales, and a virtual firestorm of topics before they admitted they might have made mistakes with DA2. Just one topic, however prolific, isn't going to change much at the moment. Besides, even if they are listening, it's a little too late for them to come up with a good ending in less than six days.

I'm sure it took them less than 6 to come up with the current ones.

True, but when you consider how long it'll take to render, get it voiced, and the fact that the game has already shipped and gone gold - there's just no way it's happening.

[Johnnycide]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

200 pages bioware has to listen now.. right? ....right? D:

Took them several months, dramatic loss of sales, and a virtual firestorm of topics before they admitted they might have made mistakes with DA2. Just one topic, however prolific, isn't going to change much at the moment. Besides, even if they are listening, it's a little too late for them to come up with a good ending in less than six days.

I'm sure it took them less than 6 to come up with the current ones.

I'd say 6 minutes.
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