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[firstarioch]

Hello

Im writing to you with regards to computer game Mass effect 3 .

We area group of gamers who are currently donating money to the Childs Play Charity : http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play with almost $71,000 dollars raised in 6 days !!! and rising !!! This charity seeks to improve the lives of children in hospitals around the world through the kindness and generosity of the video-game industry and the power of play when gamers give back to make a difference.

We would like the developer to change the games ending as its it bleak ,dark and unacceptable and breaks the promises developer made to us about endings . We aim to publicize our campaign through media and celebrity association in adiotion to global contribuitons to Child Play Charity.

This is a first protest like this in the history of gaming and Some good will come out of it as we are protesting with our wallets by donating to charity.

We have over fifty five thousand signatures and counting on developers forum: social.bioware.com/633606/polls/28989

The main website explains why we are doing this campaign.

We dont feel entitled we simply want full resolution to the game which we invested time and money and emotions over a period of 6 years. We have had many articles written about about us in many publications and blogs over the internet recently.

BBC wrote about us : http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719 Most recently Forbes have covered our campaign with the following article :http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/15/paragons-of-protest-retake-mass-effect-raises-money-for-kids/

CNN have also contacted as of yesterday: http://m.youtube.com/#/watch? desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv% 3DTIq0ehGsdKE&v=TIq0ehGsdKE&gl=GB Metro magazine London :http://www.metro.co.uk/tech/games/893541-bioware-hints-at-changes-to-mass-effect-3-ending Wired Magazine published the following :http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/03/bioware-mass-effect-3-ending/USA TODAY:http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2012/03/bioware-no-decision-yet-on-mass-effect-3-ending/1#.T2fG6sVmKE8 to name the few important ones.

I have also been interview by BBC today in order to have an article on their website.

BBC wrote about us : http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

In addition to this we have also secured over 44000 signatures on Facebook-Retake Mass Effect 3- and rising : http://www.facebook....ngToMassEffect3 Retake Mass Effect 3 is also on Twitter in support of changing the games ending.

This game is very Big and the endings are inconclusive, dark and devoid of choice and negate everything the player did through 6 years of playing this game.

Imagine Return Of The Jedi where Han dies, Leia dies ,Luke dies and Darth Vader dies, Rebel fleet gets stranded and abandoned somewhere and Ewoks are the only ones left to light the fires. That just sums it up.

. We are fighting the biggest game publisher and developer in the world Bioware EA making history.

We are not looking for money although cause is noble and god knows the kids need it. We would like you to voice support for us and the charity and what we are doing here.

Thank you
name contact details. Phone and email.

Just translate it into German. This works. This got me bbc.

[Cybermortis]

Xyalon wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

Exactly my concerns. And honestly, I think abandoning the ME series is what they'll do. They'll maybe release 1SP and 1MP DLC just to see how it sells, and if it doesn't, they'll just be focusing on other games, not trying to ruin endings like this ever again.

Sad I know...


HOLD THE LINE

Right. It's the reported drop in sales that kind of scares me. I can see some EA suit saying "Well, what's the point in releasing an ending DLC when no one is buying the game any more?"

That's Startchild logic, and completely disregarding of facts (not you, the hypothetical EA suit). DLC is not there to promote new sales, but to obtain money from sales that have taken place already. People who don't own the game won't buy DLC.

I wouldn't concern yourself that much over that. Also, bear in mind that anyone warned off the game due to the ending would be more inclined to buy it if they knew that there was DLC available which altered that fact. EA must realise that.

They have to. 

A year ago I was arguing that ME3 HAD to be a good game and sell well, because it was the last 'brand' Bioware had in the box that hadn't been messed up. This was off the back of DA2, which demolished a large chunk of Bioware's customer base and while not killing the Dragon Age titles off, had certainly caused some serious injuries.

My argument then was that if ME3 was not a good game, if it didn't restore confidence in Bioware's ability to produce good quality games and live up to its own hype. Then they were in serious trouble, because they only had two brands they could look at and assume would sell well both of which would have been destroyed.

So in order to keep Bioware as a viable company ME3 MUST succeed, if it doesn't...well a large umber of people were outright stating that they would not be getting DA3 and now they are saying the exact same thing about the ME franchise. Both are effectively dead at this point, and they have nothing to fall back on.

To make matters worse it seems very clear that EA/BW's marketing isn't working anymore, and that their customers have started to realise how meaningless games reviews are. So they can no longer rely on throwing money into advertising and hope people will be taken in by the hype for future titles.

There are basically only three options open to them in the long term;

Do nothing, or at least continue producing and releasing games as they are. As explained above this is unlikely to work, and Bioware will go out of business sooner or later.

Try to salvage things in the next game, by attempting to make it as good as possible. This would be risky, many would simply refuse to buy it on principle and few people from their former customer base are going to pay attention to marketing or reviewers.

Put in the time and money to fix the ending of ME3. This is the best option for everyone, it costs less time and money than trying to make a good game - which they *almost* have in ME3 anyway. They win back some support from the customer base and (idealy) will result in a raise in sales as that same customer base starts to spread the news that with the fixed ending the game is well worth buying. It will also show that they really do listen (rather than just hear) their customers, which is something no company can afford not to be seen doing.


There is one last thing that we keep forgetting - the Mass Effect film. The studio producing that film is not going to put money into the film if ME3 was a turkey and badly recieved - ESPECIALLY in terms of the story. Potentially a sucessful ME film could net BW/EA more money than sales of the games did - something EA is going to be very well aware of. Not least because I would imagine the studio is having a few words with them about fixing the situation. Compared to the potential profits from a film and/or film series, the cost of an ending DLC is nothing.

[Hydralysk]

Morning all, glad to see i'm still in time to see us hit 2000 pages.

Any new news besides the BBC report?

[TSC_1]

LethesDeep wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Is anyone else a little concerned that if Bioware does change the ending, they may still screw it up? Or that, if we hit Bioware too hard, EA may simply decide to cut their losses and abandon Mass Effect altogether? Meaning that there would be no ending fix?

Maybe I'm just crazy, but I see those as potential unintended outcomes of all this.

Sorry for dragging this back up, was at a college class and I'm trying to catch up on the last 10+ pages.

I don't think they could screw up an ending fix. Wanna know why? Because after all this uproar they'd be idiots to not involve the community. They already have a suggestion thread. They'd probably make more specific suggestion threads, take ideas from there, and roll with 'em.

True. I see that as far less of a risk than EA just pulling the plug.

[Atrocity]

Xyalon wrote...

Yes, it has, but at the same time it is still something quite alien to people who are used only to using conventional media. I doubt my parents and many of their generations fully grasp the concept of social media.

I know, I know, my dad has asked me couple of times things like "what are you doing spending all your time in front of a creen", "what do you do in facebook" and such. Then, when I explained things the best I could, he stopped asking, and I don't think it was because explanation completely sated his want for information. :innocent:

[BigglesFlysAgain]

AntiDave wrote...

Guys what is with this 'Bioware support group' that BBC mentionbed? It's great how quickly you get stabbed in the back by people finding themselves cool for 'trolling' others.

As I can't access the page without a Facebook account, why the hell do these people support the catastrophe caused by EA and Bioware?

has like 350 members and is invite only, dont worry too much
bbc always shows all sides to somthing,

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 20 mars 2012 - 04:48 .

[Elador007]

Esoretal wrote...

Is anyone starting to have nightmares related to this?

No, well yes.

I had this horrible dream about beating mass effect 3 and the ending made no sense nor offered any closure whatsoever! 

But then I woke up and..no wait.


It would appear i havent been having nightmares, no 


also.

hold the line.

[Deschi]

Atrocity wrote...

Deschi wrote...

 Hey german speaking ME3 Retakers! 
I tried to write spontaneously some kind of model letter for those, who might be interested in contacting other major newpapers or news magazine[...]:social.bioware.com/forum/4/topic/361/index/9688547/412#10318870

I think you could also add something about the nature of gaming having been changin towards a more interactive situation, not only in games themselves, but also with development and content (just look at Total War campaigns, Skyrim, DA mods etc etc), and how Bioware has been, if not the flagship, a major player of this trend. 

But otherwise really nice, what I could understand that is (5 years from the last time I have actively used German) :innocent:

Thanks for the feedback and yes i also would like write a lot mor, but my main goal was just to maybe arouse some online editor's interest and not to do all of  her/his research 

[Cybermortis]

Atrocity wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

I'm wondering what the people at the Seattle Times would say if I brough this whole movement to them... They'd appluad us for the Child's Play thing I know that much...

You should definately try contacting them. Maybe they won't be interested in our cause per se, but they might be interested doing something from more general point-of-view, like all the different things we have done to get attention to our cause, namely Child's Play and social media.

Though in all honesty I have to kinda go 'huh' everytime so called conventional media does a story on how people have used social media to do X (and how they always manage to sound surprised too). I just mean, it has been around for some time now, it's not precisely novelty anymore...

Observation; If you talk to the press you might want to point out that this has potentially far reaching conciquences for the gaming industry and how it treats its customer base. Point them towards the Forbes articles.

[Nharia1]

alizrak wrote...

Esoretal wrote...

Is anyone starting to have nightmares related to this?

Not sure really. My dreams have been all blurry for a while now, but I did get glimpses of spaceships. Maybe my mind is trying to block out the pain. Who knows?

Seem to be seeing this little kid... a boy in fact... and I'm running towards him in slow... wait a minute, how the hell did Space boy get in my dreams.... O.O Okay that's it! I'm going to shoot him next time he pops into my dreams... now where is that Black Widow, in my dreams....

[Crossleft]

AntiDave wrote...

Guys what is with this 'Bioware support group' that BBC mentionbed? It's great how quickly you get stabbed in the back by people finding themselves cool for 'trolling' others.

As I can't access the page without a Facebook account, why the hell do these people support the catastrophe caused by EA and Bioware?

dont worry theres not even 400 people in that group as opposed to the tens of thousands in ours

[Stygian1]

TSC_1 wrote...

LethesDeep wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Is anyone else a little concerned that if Bioware does change the ending, they may still screw it up? Or that, if we hit Bioware too hard, EA may simply decide to cut their losses and abandon Mass Effect altogether? Meaning that there would be no ending fix?

Maybe I'm just crazy, but I see those as potential unintended outcomes of all this.

Sorry for dragging this back up, was at a college class and I'm trying to catch up on the last 10+ pages.

I don't think they could screw up an ending fix. Wanna know why? Because after all this uproar they'd be idiots to not involve the community. They already have a suggestion thread. They'd probably make more specific suggestion threads, take ideas from there, and roll with 'em.

True. I see that as far less of a risk than EA just pulling the plug.

I doubt EA would do such a thing, picture all the merchandise and other assets they have sunk into this franchise. 

[Conspicuous Cake]

RussianOrc wrote...

where is the IGN poll?

In IGN's facebook page.

Just scroll down until you find it.

[RussianOrc]

Press incoming.
http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

[Conspicuous Cake]

Hydralysk wrote...

Morning all, glad to see i'm still in time to see us hit 2000 pages.

Any new news besides the BBC report?

Not that I'm aware of, no.

[SassyJazRzmataz]

Esoretal wrote...

Is anyone starting to have nightmares related to this?

I had a weird dream that the ending happens like normal but Shepard crawls out of the rubble, hijacks a ship, flies over to where the Normandy crashed, and then goes over to Joker and punches him in the face.

Not a nightmare but still weird. 

[AntiDave]

Crossleft wrote...

AntiDave wrote...

Guys what is with this 'Bioware support group' that BBC mentionbed? It's great how quickly you get stabbed in the back by people finding themselves cool for 'trolling' others.

As I can't access the page without a Facebook account, why the hell do these people support the catastrophe caused by EA and Bioware?

dont worry theres not even 400 people in that group as opposed to the tens of thousands in ours

I'm not so concerned about the numerical differences but more about offical news sites putting them on par with the Retake movement. After all we know how dumb and industry friendly Gawker/Kotaku, IGN/Murdoch and the BBC moloch are.

[Hydralysk]

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

where is the IGN poll?

In IGN's facebook page.

Just scroll down until you find it.

You'll need to hit the 'read more recent stories' button at the end of the  page to see it.

[Bubi7]

Just got an email that "the final hours of Mass Effect 3" is released on PC. It is very interesting to see what this "behind the scenes" app confuses all the uproar about the ending.
It has nothing to do with an eventually upcoming ending DLC. Very nice strategy to get your sales up, Mr. Keighley. Very nice indeed.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

RussianOrc wrote...

Press incoming.
http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

Not new, but article now allows comments

[Deschi]

Gi-Joe-Ge wrote...
[... ]
As someone said in this thread it is not good enough to send that letter/e-mail to the media. It is better to call them ask for the right person to receive you letter and have a chat with that person first.

Yes of course, trying to sppech personnally to someone in the edotrial departments works always much better than just sendign Mails... especially when it "just" about a game. And as much as I can tell by my own experiences, most people are really friendly and gratefull in these editorial staffes. Doesn't mean that they will publish anything but they are mostly not arrogant or harsh,

[LethesDeep]

Esoretal wrote...

Is anyone starting to have nightmares related to this?

For two nights after beating the game. Commader Shepard sums it up best: "I saw... I'm not sure what I saw. Death. Destruction.. Nothing's really clear." I remember flashes of tracer rounds, grotesquely distorted beings, a beam of blue light, red death rays, a quick flash of six yellow eyes loking down from on high, burnt armor. But it was all just flashes, like the beacon's message.

Modifié par LethesDeep, 20 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[DJBare]

Find below some important links you may want to follow.
IGN added to the list.

BBC news technology section
Retake Mass Effect - Child's Play ***Please Donate***
Mass Effect 3 debacle - Pre-release developer quotes
Poll About The Ending
'Official' Poll For Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC
[POLL] What exactly would you change with the ending?
EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode ***Regularly UPDATED***
Retake Mass Effect Banner Templates
Mission Statement Thread
Retake Mass Effect Group on BSN ***Please Join***
Mass Effect 3 Resource Site with collection of statements and reports
Retake Mass Effect 3 Statistics
Retake Mass Effect on Facebook
Retake Mass Effect on Youtube
Retake Mass Effect 3 Endings - Extranet Site - Resource Collector
IGN facebook page

Retake Mass Effect on Twitter
@RetakeME3

Keep it civil... and hold the line!

Modifié par DJBare, 20 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[Crossleft]

AntiDave wrote...

Crossleft wrote...

AntiDave wrote...

Guys what is with this 'Bioware support group' that BBC mentionbed? It's great how quickly you get stabbed in the back by people finding themselves cool for 'trolling' others.

As I can't access the page without a Facebook account, why the hell do these people support the catastrophe caused by EA and Bioware?

dont worry theres not even 400 people in that group as opposed to the tens of thousands in ours

I'm not so concerned about the numerical differences but more about offical news sites putting them on par with the Retake movement. After all we know how dumb and industry friendly Gawker/Kotaku, IGN/Murdoch and the BBC moloch are.

yeah but you cant even join it without them inviting you...honestly I wouldnt worry about it too much
itd be like some trolls making a Kony support group or something theyre just in it for the lulz

[Atrocity]

Deschi wrote...


Thanks for the feedback and yes i also would like write a lot mor, but my main goal was just to maybe arouse some online editor's interest and not to do all of  her/his research 

I understand, and frankly I have little to no info on how online editors and journalists do stuff, mostly since here they have somewhat *coughs* tyrannic self righteous strongly set attitude towards news. As in, they decide everything and commoners read what they have Chosen. Not all, of course, but the main players (downside to living in such a scarcely populated place with a small population on top of that) are still living the days of news paper kings.

So the interactivity point was in this context, I wouldn't trust any non-gamer-journalist from Finnland to know what Nintendo is, let alone do research on the matter. Charming how the myth about geeky pale little kid still lives, considering the average age of a Finnish gamer is ~38, they tend to be middle class and have 2.5 kids *sighs*