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[KHReborn]

RPGmom28 wrote...

It IS super important to make it clear that we do love Mass Effect and that we're not just griping to irritate people. This game has embodied so much more for us than just an RPG or just a shooter. It's a sweeping epic about courage and heroism, about rejecting prejudice and forming friendships. I'll always remember the first time Joker pulled the Normandy into the Citadel and the shivers I got hearing the music and feeling the wonder of it all. Also the triumph of the human spirit in Shepard, who we can both identify with and see ourselves in, at our best and at our worst. That's why I care and why I'm here.

That's why my idea:

KHReborn wrote...

I had an idea. I think it's to difficult to accomplish, but what's your opinion?

Someone should make a Marauder Shields statue, send it to Bioware with the following message:

"He
tried to save us from the endings. Now he tries to save your fanbase.
We love Mass Effect. That's our motivation." (The text can change, I had
this idea a minute ago).


My concern is the following: I get
the feeling the people (outside the Reatake movement)  don't get the
message that we all do this because we LOVE Mass Effect. We have to get
this message to them, too.

Well, my thoughts are well written in my head, but often difficult to understand from others. I hope you get my message

I think we can do it in other ways,too. It was just the first result of my brainstorming process

Modifié par KHReborn, 20 mars 2012 - 06:03 .

[Hydralysk]

TSC_1 wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

...actually, now that I think of it, if we want to shift the perception of RetakeME3 from "spoiled fans" to "dissatisfied customers," we should get in touch with The Consumerist. That's kind of their thing. Does someone want to contact them?

This is an EXCELLENT idea.

But whoever contacts them (I can't as I have to log off in a moment) has to make his or her point very, very succintly, and with no recourse to sentimentalism at all.

Okay, I'm doing it. They ask for a link to a webpage and a comment. I'm linking to this Forbes article and saying the following in the comment:

"Customers who bought the video game Mass Effect 3 are upset with its ending - it does not fulfil the expectations of the series or the promises made by the developer. Worse, upset consumers are being dismissed as "whiny fans" rather than listened to as "dissatisfied customers." Not only is this a problem specific to this game, it speaks to a toxic mentality in the industry as a whole. I would be interested in The Consumerist's take on the issue. You can find more information at the following links:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719
http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play
http://social.biowar...index/9512916/1"

Sound good? Anything you'd change?

Sounds great to me.

[TamiBx]

Bubi7 wrote...

Kenkimaru wrote...
Reporting in!
How is everyone?
Hold the Line
ps. Aww hell no i missed 2000 ;(

same here

I guess there are no real news from Bioware/EA...
Please tell me I'm wrong

I don't think so. But it's kind of "early" to assume that there isn't going to be any news in the next couple of hrs (I mean, it is only noon in Edmonton and 2pm EST) 

[Browneye_Vamp84]

sorry if this has been posted here before. I watched this twice and wow...just...wow.

[Zwei133]

TSC_1 wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

...actually, now that I think of it, if we want to shift the perception of RetakeME3 from "spoiled fans" to "dissatisfied customers," we should get in touch with The Consumerist. That's kind of their thing. Does someone want to contact them?

This is an EXCELLENT idea.

But whoever contacts them (I can't as I have to log off in a moment) has to make his or her point very, very succintly, and with no recourse to sentimentalism at all.

Okay, I'm doing it. They ask for a link to a webpage and a comment. I'm linking to this Forbes article and saying the following in the comment:

"Customers who bought the video game Mass Effect 3 are upset with its ending - it does not fulfil the expectations of the series or the promises made by the developer. Worse, upset consumers are being dismissed as "whiny fans" rather than listened to as "dissatisfied customers." Not only is this a problem specific to this game, it speaks to a toxic mentality in the industry as a whole. I would be interested in The Consumerist's take on the issue. You can find more information at the following links:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719
http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play
http://social.biowar...index/9512916/1"

Sound good? Anything you'd change?

Sounds reasonable to me!

[Xyalon]

TamiBx wrote...

I don't think so. But it's kind of "early" to assume that there isn't going to be any news in the next couple of hrs (I mean, it is only noon in Edmonton and 2pm EST) 

Hah, paltry excuses. We're up 24/7, why aren't they? We are the movement that never sleeps.


(I jest)

[mulder1199]

Xyalon wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

I don't think so. But it's kind of "early" to assume that there isn't going to be any news in the next couple of hrs (I mean, it is only noon in Edmonton and 2pm EST) 

Hah, paltry excuses. We're up 24/7, why aren't they? We are the movement that never sleeps.


(I jest)

considering that we're all p-oed all over the world we are kind of on this 24-7...

[Frostfiend]

TSC_1 wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

...actually, now that I think of it, if we want to shift the perception of RetakeME3 from "spoiled fans" to "dissatisfied customers," we should get in touch with The Consumerist. That's kind of their thing. Does someone want to contact them?

This is an EXCELLENT idea.

But whoever contacts them (I can't as I have to log off in a moment) has to make his or her point very, very succintly, and with no recourse to sentimentalism at all.

Okay, I'm doing it. They ask for a link to a webpage and a comment. I'm linking to this Forbes article and saying the following in the comment:

"Customers who bought the video game Mass Effect 3 are upset with its ending - it does not fulfil the expectations of the series or the promises made by the developer. Worse, upset consumers are being dismissed as "whiny fans" rather than listened to as "dissatisfied customers." Not only is this a problem specific to this game, it speaks to a toxic mentality in the industry as a whole. I would be interested in The Consumerist's take on the issue. You can find more information at the following links:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719
http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play
http://social.biowar...index/9512916/1"

Sound good? Anything you'd change?

Sounds good
Another good link is http://www.themarysu...ee-as-possible/

[MisterP146]

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

updates in the last 6 hours?

It seems that origin is also accepting refunds due to people being unsatisfied with the story if the rumors are true

[TSC_1]

...aaand, submitted to The Consumerist.

[Hydralysk]

Xyalon wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

I don't think so. But it's kind of "early" to assume that there isn't going to be any news in the next couple of hrs (I mean, it is only noon in Edmonton and 2pm EST) 

Hah, paltry excuses. We're up 24/7, why aren't they? We are the movement that never sleeps.


(I jest)

That's probably becasue of you Xy, geth don't need to sleep.

[Thore2k10]

TSC_1 wrote...

...aaand, submitted to The Consumerist.

may i ask, what exactly is the consumerist?

[Nephilim5]

Cybermortis wrote...


 I'd also note that NO film director with half a brain would finish a film with the sort of ending we got. Even if he went with 'Shepard dies' he'd make sure we have closure.

Don't be too sure of that.  I wouldn't put that choice past people like Uwe Boll or Michael Bay.

[Xyalon]

Hydralysk wrote...

That's probably becasue of you Xy, geth don't need to sleep.

I still need to reboot every now and then because of the reaper upgrades. Seriously, they may be the most advanced race of beings out there, synthetic or otherwise, but their UI leaves a lot to be desired. I think it was based on Vista...

[TamiBx]

mulder1199 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

I don't think so. But it's kind of "early" to assume that there isn't going to be any news in the next couple of hrs (I mean, it is only noon in Edmonton and 2pm EST) 

Hah, paltry excuses. We're up 24/7, why aren't they? We are the movement that never sleeps.


(I jest)

considering that we're all p-oed all over the world we are kind of on this 24-7...

True, but they run on MDT, so...any announcements will be made when it's business hrs there (or just not in the middle of the night)

[wicked_being]

I'm starting to think the big announcement will be done in PAX. Big news on a big stage at a big event. But hey, April 6 isn't too far off. In the meantime, we continue to hold the (conga) line!

[lijygr]

QwibQwib wrote...

Zwei133 wrote...

I might be in the minority here, but I for one am not going to return my ME3CE. Because really, aside from the last 5 minutes of the game, it is the best game I have ever played. I couldn't stop talking about it to whoever would listen. The multi-player is fantastically fun (I couldn't wait to run around as an Asari commando [in my case adept] after Benezia taunted "Have you ever faced an Asari Commando Squad").

And the fact that when I watched the endings it pretty much ruined the weekend I finished my first play through just proves how fantastic the trilogy, including 3, has been. The story and characters of ME3 are the most compelling of any video game I have ever played. I may or may not have been moved to tears at more than one point in ME3.

The fact we are so angry and betrayed is a testament to the brilliance of the first 99% of the series. Why would I return such a thing? Especially when our goal is to fix it. Returning the game seems fatalistic; if everyone returns it, who will buy it again? If I were BioWare and everyone returned the game, I sure wouldn't bother fixing the end.

Am I mad at BioWare/EA? Yes. Am I ever going to buy another product from them? Probably not (unless they fix this mess). Do I still love my ME books, comics, and games? Of course.

But I do not believe returning the game will solve anything. The fact that places are offering full refunds though... Now that is a powerful message. But I am of the opinion that if everyone returns the game, there is no incentive for EA to fix it. They will write it off as a loss and continue on churning out games with no regard to quality.

I believe that EA needs to learn that there is power in a brand (Mass Effect) and that cultivating loyalty and support around that brand (and not ruining it) is a highly profitable endeavor and as such, it is in their best interests to issue a statement saying "We messed up, we will make this right", fix it, and cash in on DLC, spin off games, novels, etc...

And as always, HOLD THE LINE!

+1 this

+1

[Hydralysk]

Thore2k10 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

...aaand, submitted to The Consumerist.

may i ask, what exactly is the consumerist?

http://consumerist.com/

[Buginvasion]

Hi there
Remember I downloaded ME2 from Steam a while ago.
It turned out I loved the game, bought all the DLCs + ME1 + DA:O
When I startet playing my pre-ordered copy of ME3 I was a bit worried, as I had heared some rumors about the end. But I wasn't prepared of how bad it was. I find it strange that Bioware doesn't seem to have anticipated this.

After this I have been grasping at straws, and opened an account on BSN. Have formed my own theory about the reapers (that fit "fairly" well with the current ending). I just throw it out as I need to get it off my chest:)

The reapers may have been a synthetic being created by organics a loooong time ago, that turned on them. Because they turned on their masters they might, in a deluded self-rightous way, believe that this will always happen. And thus wipe out organics every 50k years. However, as they use them as fuel, they can't reap all life. Therefor only those that pose a threat

Well, that is something my Shep could believe. So where is the choice to tell the star-child to bugger off? The reasoning we get to trust him is scetchy & papir-thin at best.

Been following the forums, and trying to keep updated. But its hard to keep up always with the sheer number of posts these days:)

Keep it going, for every person posting there are probably many more that are thinking of posting.

Modifié par Buginvasion, 20 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[TSC_1]

Thore2k10 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

...aaand, submitted to The Consumerist.

may i ask, what exactly is the consumerist?

It's a website (Link) that gives exposure to consumers who are having product satisfaction issues. Which is exactly what we're having with EA/Bioware.

[BCMakoto]

Another post I forward from a person that can't post because of the 24 hours time-limit. He finished the game about 2 hours ago, and send me a document in Skype so I can post it here.

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So...2 hours have passed. I am still kind of "broken". So, can anyone explain me what happened? No, I do not want to know. I was never big of a Bioware fan, I was never actually a fan-boy. But I played both Mass Effect I and Mass Effect II because they appeared to be good games at their times.

Do I now really want to know what happened two hours ago? I think I don't. I remember my conversations with Reapers in one and two, the conversations I had with Sovereign that made him appear special, "Immortal" and "Dark and evil.". Everything was so mysterious, they were a real thread, the living Nightmare of both Protheans and the current Citadel races. And now...after talking to the AI...I feel like they are not some kind of Nightmare, but a childs story. They always said that their reason for harvesting are "Beyond the understanding of every organic beeing.". Yes, I do not understand the reason. Not because it is so complex, but because the circle logic is nothing that anyone could understand.

 A living Nightmare became weaker. A Nigtmare, the doom of so many races, controlled by a child. An AI that has no sense.

Furthermore, my Shepard was ripped apart. I was always the Renegade Shepard, fighting against everyone and everything as a rebel of his time. Now, he is nothing. He surrendered to this "child" without asking questions, without rebelion. He was left by everyone who supported him in the end, and it created massive plot-holes I am not able to understand as of now.

What exactly now happened? Can someone answer me? A Nightmare became a joke after speaking to the Star-child,  a mistery revealed in a most unfitting way. A story that didn't end. My Shepard bend to the odds, which never happened before.

I am with all of you on this. I always thought: "It can't be that bad." No, it is actually worser.

Hold the Line!

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It is interesting how everyone is just aggreeing for the first time in years.

Modifié par LPKerberos, 20 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[ErMacPE]

Zwei133 wrote...

I might be in the minority here... *SNIP*

But I do not believe returning the game will solve anything. The fact that places are offering full refunds though... Now that is a powerful message. But I am of the opinion that if everyone returns the game, there is no incentive for EA to fix it. They will write it off as a loss and continue on churning out games with no regard to quality.

I believe that EA needs to learn that there is power in a brand (Mass Effect) and that cultivating loyalty and support around that brand (and not ruining it) is a highly profitable endeavor and as such, it is in their best interests to issue a statement saying "We messed up, we will make this right", fix it, and cash in on DLC, spin off games, novels, etc...

And as always, HOLD THE LINE!

I'm with you on this one Zwei - Even though those last few minutes gutted me so totally, I still think that the rest of the game is indeed every piece the epic that they wanted it to be. The moments of joy, sadness and sheer admiration I had for Bioware while I was playing through are truly a testament to their skill and passion for the game. I mean, when you're investigating the incident with the Rachni, and Grunt charges off into the Reaper controlled units, was just incredible - my heart jumped into my throat and my significant other swears she heard me yelling at him to "Stop and come back you stupid fool!" *language edited for our PG 13 readers* And then to have that final cutscene where he staggers towards you, covered in the blood of his enemies - cliched maybe, but still very powerful.

I can go on and list many such moments, mentioning characters like Mordin and Thane, but my point remains that it is still and incredible experience, and one that every gamer should be given the chance to go through.

Looking at a lot of the comments found on the links posted here, there are a fair amount of people who, looking at their posts and comments, don't really seem to get what it is that we're on about - I have a friend who falls into that group, and when I'm not planning his untimely demise at the hands of a woodchipper, I'm trying to explain to him, that yes, he is one of many people who feel that the end is satisfactory, but a lot of us, it simply violates everything we know about both the game and the universe that its set in. He has at least agreed that because he hasn't played the first game, and only played the second game (sporadically) once or twice, he may not have the emotional investment or time investment that we do...

I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I completely understand why so many of us are return our copies of the game to retailers, we shouldn't lose sight of the game's quality and excellence as a whole, and we need to remind ourselves (and the amazing ME team at Bioware) that we do love this game, and this franchise, and that' the reason that we're coming out like this!

In the meantime everyone, let's keep holding that line!

Wow - big post (for me that is )

[Cybermortis]

Added my 2 cents to the comments of the BBC article; http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

Its the same user name, so you know who I am *gulp*

While trying and failing to sleep last night I came up with what I think is a good analogy to the Mass Effect Games...

Imagine that one day you are walking down the street and pass by a restaurant. Its a small place, you've heard about it but every really thought about it. But now on a whim you decide to go inside and buy their 'Mass Effect' desert.

Much to your surprise its good, REALLY good. So when you next pass by and notice a 'Mass Effect 2' desert and think, well the first one was good. So you go in and get the ME2 and, boy oh boy its just as good if not better than the original.

Then you hear that they are making a third desert, the best yet they tell you. Well, you enjoyed the first two so why not? You go in, sit down and taste what you think is the best desert ever...you get to the bottom, dig your spoon in to savour the fast mouthful...and realise what you understandably though would be chocolate is in fact a huge turd.

Then when you complain you are told that it wasn't a turd but art....

Modifié par Cybermortis, 20 mars 2012 - 06:18 .

[Pairikas]

People, serious... Its more than a Week ago I end ME3 and I'm still god damn Angry, and get angryer every Day Bioware don't say something Relevant about this Mess.
I am a Person who is... lot of Time Angry. You know, Indiana Jones 4 sucks so I get angry - stuff like this. Every Day there is something that makes me Angry.
But I calm down, next Day there is no more anger about this, find something new to be angry later the Day, as usual.

But I'm now Angry for more than a Week, about the same thing, and nothing other can get my "Angry-Attention". I'm totaly in some Kind of Asura-Rage Mode that wont end... I really don't know what to do. It so pisses me off. SAY SOMETHING BIOWARE!

So... argh.

[sagevallant]

Nephilim5 wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...


 I'd also note that NO film director with half a brain would finish a film with the sort of ending we got. Even if he went with 'Shepard dies' he'd make sure we have closure.

Don't be too sure of that.  I wouldn't put that choice past people like Uwe Boll or Michael Bay.

Michael Bay would never end a movie like that. Too much thinking and interpretation. Honestly, I think Michael Bay would end the movie the way we all wish it would end; huge exploding reapers. Possibly with Shepard punching out the hard light image of Harbinger in that Geth VI world. Battle in the Center of the Mind style.

I find it entirely believable that Michael Bay would end Mass Effect 3 in the same way that Gurren Lagann ended. In fact, if Michael Bay has ever SEEN Gurren Lagann, I'm sure it's his favorite show.