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[Atrocity]

julian08 wrote...

Don't know if you saw this already, but two days ago Angry Joe made a top ten video about why the ending is such a huge letdown and how it didn't give us any of the things we were promised. Nothing we haven't heard already, but fairly well done and detailed.

All I can say is "New war asset gained: Angry Joe Army (+750)"

I also noticed that he doesn't really sound angry this time around. Just sad and disappointed. It's almost kinda heartbreaking.

I noticed that too when I watched the video, nice impact and so appropriate it hurts. I'm not a huge fan of his show, but I have looked through quite a few reviews, if only because I know he will give his honest opinion on a game, and I can trust that opinion is based on the game and only on the game in question.

Modifié par Atrocity, 20 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[Xyalon]

RatedRRachel wrote...

The Better Business Bureau even has an article on the situation now.

http://www.bbb.org/b...mass-effect-3/ 

Not much to the article that has already been said elsewhere.

I have responded to this article providing more information on the movement. It focuses on the FTC complaint, claims not to have been able to find the FB page (or that of the counter movement) and mentions nothing of the charity.

This I have attempted to rectify.

[Darkwingduck]

Benirus wrote...

Norwegian fleet reporting back in after damage controlle (went to my therapist)

Felt really good to talk about it with someone professional and as a bonus, I might have found some allies.
The guy I go too is a student majoring in psychology (It's free, I'm poor don't judge me )
And he was very facinated with the whole situation so he promissed to take it up with his professor and his class.
Maybe we can get some people who can properly analyse why this actually upsets the players so much, instead of reporters jumping to conclusions (*cough* IGN *cough*)

Btw, any news in the last 30 pages?

Oh and great job getting to page 2000 people

Hold the line!

No judgement if it helps who cares if it's free! Also I'll be interested to hear their opinions on why we're all so damn sad keep us posted! So say we all...er hold the line. 

[Nharia1]

Xyalon wrote...

RatedRRachel wrote...

The Better Business Bureau even has an article on the situation now.

http://www.bbb.org/b...mass-effect-3/ 

Not much to the article that has already been said elsewhere.

I have responded to this article providing more information on the movement. It focuses on the FTC complaint, claims not to have been able to find the FB page (or that of the counter movement) and mentions nothing of the charity.

This I have attempted to rectify.

Always there to help the cause eh Xy, well at least we can always count on at least one Flashlight Head to support us.

[Benirus]

Atrocity wrote...

julian08 wrote...

Don't know if you saw this already, but two days ago Angry Joe made a top ten video about why the ending is such a huge letdown and how it didn't give us any of the things we were promised. Nothing we haven't heard already, but fairly well done and detailed.

All I can say is "New war asset gained: Angry Joe Army (+750)"

I also noticed that he doesn't really sound angry this time around. Just sad and disappointed. It's almost kinda heartbreaking.

I noticed that too when I watched the video, nice impact and so appropriate it hurts. I'm not a huge fan of his show, but I have looked quite a few reviews, if only because I know he will give his honest opinion on a game, and I can trust that opinion is based on the game and only on the game in question.

If anyone hasnt already checked it out, the GameStation Podcast talks about the ending to mass effect 3. (Jesse Cox, Totalbiscuit, Dodger and Simon from Yogscast)

www.youtube.com/watch

They start talking about it at around 2:32:00

Modifié par Benirus, 20 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[galaxidj]

beyondsolo wrote...

I've just posted this on another thread discussing the scene where Joker is trying to outrun the space magic aboard the Normandy. Thought I'd share it here as well because this thread is the number on collection of thoughts about why Mass Effect deserves a better ending:

"Space magic is space magic. It doesn't only defy real physics but also any fictional Mass Effect canon physics.

Problem 1 with real physics: Why exactly are the blasts given off by the mass relays flat and expand along the galactic disk? That would only happend if the blasts were actually emitted that way, but considering the angles there is no way how they would cover the entire "height" of the galactic disk if they originated in a disk shape from one point.

Problem 2 with real physics: Shockwaves of any sort cannot travel faster than light. The expanding pulses from the relays on the galactic scale we can see would be a time lapse of tens of thousands of years

And that leads to problem 1 with canon physics: Technically, seeing a shockwave, Joker would be stupid to go for the mass relay. Mass relays create a mass-free corridor at which FTL is possible between them and their connected relays. Therefore, any ship would have a much better chance outrunning a shockwave using its drive core-powered FTL propulsion. Even if Joker hadn't known that the space magic is magically faster than light, everything he would know as a pilot would tell him that the mass relay would actually allow the shockwave to catch up with him, not help him escape.

Problem 3 with real physics: Just look at how rapidly the shockwaves expand and how short the time is between the beam hitting the relay and the following explosion. The waves cover thousands of lightyears per second. I'd like to know how Joker managed to respond to that in time when he saw the beam going from the Citadel to the Charon relay, decide to pick up the ground team, turn around, and reach the relay before it blew.

The ending doesn't make any sense at all."

Well said

[Zwei133]

I don't know who posted this first, but I am reposting as I finally got around to watching it.

[Matt_gekko88]

ME3 - The Animal House Ending

[Hydralysk]

Xyalon wrote...

RatedRRachel wrote...

The Better Business Bureau even has an article on the situation now.

http://www.bbb.org/b...mass-effect-3/ 

Not much to the article that has already been said elsewhere.

I have responded to this article providing more information on the movement. It focuses on the FTC complaint, claims not to have been able to find the FB page (or that of the counter movement) and mentions nothing of the charity.

This I have attempted to rectify.

Nice job, so have I.

[Graywolf633]

Hendrik.III wrote...

OMG this thread is expanding much faster than I can keep up with. It's like trying to catch a train speeding by the platform.

Keep holding the line!

Agreed. Next, let's try to reach the year 2186 for Shepard and the Normandy crew.

HOLD THE LINE.

[Gyspy Jive]

Modifié par Gyspy Jive, 20 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[MisterP146]

http://www.bbb.org/b...-mass-effect-3/

It seems as if this Better Business Bureau blog is asking for our opinion on the game.

[The Fazzle]

So PSN, Origin, and Amazon are really taking full refunds? That's pretty cool. Not sure how many will take them up on it, but it's definitely added pressure on BW/EA. Strong work every one.

Modifié par The Fazzle, 20 mars 2012 - 07:44 .

[Darth Garrus]

I don't really understand how some people don't see the flaws of the endings. If you can get past the "I didn't have a problem with the endings", one thing in inescapable: the fact that we were promised totally different endings depending on all the choices we made through all the games!!!

But the endings are the same no matter you killed lots of different important characters, or if you left them alive, for example. No matter what you did, the endings presented to your character are the same.

The only thing that gives you a slightly different end is playing multiplayer or not.

What is being complained, ultimately, is not just about the endings being good or bad. Is that all the decisions you made up to ME3, and during that game, didn't matter at all!!!

Some people just can't get past the "I liked the melancholic style of the end. It fits". It's not about that! It's about taking all our choices into account. Otherwise, it's just another shooter where you kill your way up to some endings.

It reminds me of small choices in action games, like "Jedi Academy". No matter what you did before, you would get to the choice of becoming a Dark Jedi or not. It was the only choice throughout the game. But that was OK. I was never promised a game with dialogues and choices. But it was not the case with ME.

People really need to get over the "I liked it" and see the real issue. The ending does NOT take into account the hundreds of choices you made before!!!

[shephard987]

Guys, it has come to my attention that Ken Levine is sad over this
fan outcry that is us.
Here is the link to the article.
After finishing reading that article, I sent Mr. Levine our official mission statement,
our reasons for organizing this movement and also a rational dissection of the endings
which are in question.
Please send letters or messages explaining our rationale behind our reasons,
as Mr. Levine is probably one of the most creative minds of the present day,
and if we show him the reason,
I hope we can alleviate his discontent with the situation.

http://www.theverge....-ken-levine-sad

Thank you.

Hold the Line

Modifié par shephard987, 20 mars 2012 - 07:43 .

[Xyalon]

Hydralysk wrote...

Nice job, so have I.

Go pout. I win.

[Nharia1]

After nearly 24 hours of holding the line, I think it's time I head to bed... I'll be back on somewhere around 1800 to 2000 Pacific Time... so yeah, night all... or should that be good afternoon?

[Phoenix-Warden]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

ME3 - The Animal House Ending

Love this

[KHReborn]

Darth Suetam wrote...

I don't really understand how some people don't see the flaws of the endings. If you can get past the "I didn't have a problem with the endings", one thing in inescapable: the fact that we were promised totally different endings depending on all the choices we made through all the games!!!

But the endings are the same no matter you killed lots of different important characters, or if you left them alive, for example. No matter what you did, the endings presented to your character are the same.

*snap*

I think they aren't informed and diddn't saw all the "other" endings. Perhaps they think that the ending they got happened because of their choices.

[Xyalon]

Nharia1 wrote...

After nearly 24 hours of holding the line, I think it's time I head to bed... I'll be back on somewhere around 1800 to 2000 Pacific Time... so yeah, night all... or should that be good afternoon?

I'm 7 hours ahead of you (I think) and it's Good Night here...

Get thee to bed woman. After the laundry of course  

[Matt_gekko88]

Phoenix-Warden wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

ME3 - The Animal House Ending

Love this

Same here. I love the Kadain-, Tali- and Vega-part

[TSC_1]

You know, for me, the biggest takeaway from all of this has been the realization of just how very broken games "journalism" is. I mean, first you had universally glowing reviews based on advance copies. Then you had gamer outcry... and more glowing reviews. Then you had reaction to gamer outcry, calling us all entitled whiners. And more glowing reviews, along with criticisms of those who bought the game, didn't like the ending, and provided low review scores on Metacritic and Amazon.

Incredible. The disconnect between gamers and gaming media is... vast. Even with the Penny Arcade Report, which is supposed to be different. Either there are incredible differences between gamers and gaming journalists, or there is serious money involved. In either case, the ending fiasco has made clear that games journalism is an absolute joke.

[Sacred Of the Grey Wardens]

Going to be in my next class for the next 3 hours(game art class)

Sacred out, and KEEP HOLDING THE LINE.

[galaxidj]

Darth Suetam wrote...

I don't really understand how some people don't see the flaws of the endings. If you can get past the "I didn't have a problem with the endings", one thing in inescapable: the fact that we were promised totally different endings depending on all the choices we made through all the games!!!

But the endings are the same no matter you killed lots of different important characters, or if you left them alive, for example. No matter what you did, the endings presented to your character are the same.

The only thing that gives you a slightly different end is playing multiplayer or not.

What is being complained, ultimately, is not just about the endings being good or bad. Is that all the decisions you made up to ME3, and during that game, didn't matter at all!!!

Some people just can't get past the "I liked the melancholic style of the end. It fits". It's not about that! It's about taking all our choices into account. Otherwise, it's just another shooter where you kill your way up to some endings.

It reminds me of small choices in action games, like "Jedi Academy". No matter what you did before, you would get to the choice of becoming a Dark Jedi or not. It was the only choice throughout the game. But that was OK. I was never promised a game with dialogues and choices. But it was not the case with ME.

People really need to get over the "I liked it" and see the real issue. The ending does NOT take into account the hundreds of choices you made before!!!

As ive mentioned many pages before (lol) the people that "liked" the ending have in no way invested as much time as us.
Though i can not speak for all of you, i do tend to believe that most have spend over 100's of hours per saga.
I myself have 7 playthroughs on ME1 and 11 on ME2, however one on ME3 lol.
People that dont have similair numbers/time on the ME series dont share the connection we have with it, thus making them care less and accept more.
We on the other hand have connected with the series, care for it, and thus find the ending insulting to both Mass Effect and what Bioware stands for.

[Iucounou]

Some information and humour to help people cope. If you can think of more, post them and I'll include them in this list and re-post every once in a while.

Reviews:

Gamefront's 5 reasons the fans are right
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/
Angry Joe's top 10 reasons to hate the ME3 ending

ME3 endings comparison

Jeremy Jahns ending review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4
Archengeia's thoughts on the ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUqAhKW7498&feature=youtu.be
The California Literary Review
http://calitreview.com/24673
Forbes' Myth of Entitlement
http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/
The Mary Sue review
http://www.themarysu...poiler-free-as-

possible/
BBC Technology News article
http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

Podcasts:

The Paranoid Gamer (Lions and Tigers and Bioware, Oh my!)
http://theparanoidga...-bioware-oh-my/
Spill.com (Ending spoiler review)
http://my.spill.com/...logPost:5224387

Inspirational stuff:

The Commander Shepard song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiRDJLcYua0
The Hold the Line video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JspE9ctseIU
Commander Shepard is still a jerk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PjTuSQNLI4


Satire and Parody:

ME3 Recontextualised
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWIimukNeAE
Mass Deffect 7 Shepard's Reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzYLTbQQEZQ&feature=related
The Animal House ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4iNJXrHA_I
Mass Deffect Monster Reaper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyoev5RzO_w
Japanime ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAmVVAjZZeM
Marauder Shields - He gave his life trying to save us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNoIwHychkY&feature=youtu.be
Marauder Shields comic strip
http://koobismo.devi...rt.com/gallery/

Twitter:

HarbytheReaper
https://twitter.com/#!/HarbyTheReaper

Images and Pictures:

VGCats #300
http://www.vgcats.co...ages/120318.jpg
What it should have said on the box
http://i14.photobuck...me3ba_super.jpg
What the kittens think of it all
http://i14.photobuck...s/ME3Boldly.jpg
Marauder Shields
http://koobismo.devi...allery:koobismo
%20randomize%3A1&qo=4
Marauder Shields comic strip
http://koobismo.devi...rt.com/gallery/