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[Fatso8686]

As it has been stated a thousand times, the ending has soooooo many plot holes. There are about a dozen new questions that arise that would need a whole new game to close. This was supposed to be the end of a trilogy!

Also, I do want the choice to have my hollywood Shep lives and him and LI live happily ever after ending. I don't have a problem making a sad, Shep dies, ending. Just give us CHOICES! Just like ME1 and 2 did, we had a choice to have a happy or sad ending.

[TSC_1]

galaxidj wrote...

As ive mentioned many pages before (lol) the people that "liked" the ending have in no way invested as much time as us.
Though i can not speak for all of you, i do tend to believe that most have spend over 100's of hours per saga.
I myself have 7 playthroughs on ME1 and 11 on ME2, however one on ME3 lol.
People that dont have similair numbers/time on the ME series dont share the connection we have with it, thus making them care less and accept more.
We on the other hand have connected with the series, care for it, and thus find the ending insulting to both Mass Effect and what Bioware stands for.

Bioware collects a lot of data on who plays their games, so I know they can do this... I'd like to see a line graph with "ME2 hours played" along the X axis and "ME3 hours played" along the Y axis. I imagine it would be... disheartening for Bioware to look at.

[Benirus]

galaxidj wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

I don't really understand how some people don't see the flaws of the endings. If you can get past the "I didn't have a problem with the endings", one thing in inescapable: the fact that we were promised totally different endings depending on all the choices we made through all the games!!!

*snip*

As ive mentioned many pages before (lol) the people that "liked" the ending have in no way invested as much time as us.
Though i can not speak for all of you, i do tend to believe that most have spend over 100's of hours per saga.
I myself have 7 playthroughs on ME1 and 11 on ME2, however one on ME3 lol.
People that dont have similair numbers/time on the ME series dont share the connection we have with it, thus making them care less and accept more.
We on the other hand have connected with the series, care for it, and thus find the ending insulting to both Mass Effect and what Bioware stands for.

As Gabe of Penny Arcade put it (he liked the ending) that it might be because he didn't invest as much in the series as others. It was simply a way to enjoy himself, nothing more.

Tycho was "ok" with the ending, but he can totaly see why we hated it.

[Phoenix NL]

I will mention here what I mentioned on the ME3 feedback thread as well. This game was billed as the epic finale to the trilogy. I understand about budgets and so forth but if you're going to bring an epic ending to a game then made it truly epic. I wanted to see my war assets in battle. This is for the survival of everything, where are Samara and the Justicars, Jack and her biotic students, Kirahe and STG, fellow Spectres, Miranda and her "unofficial" squad. It's the little things that Bioware have previously been so good at. Lets have some cut scenes, maybe around the time that Harby the Reaper shows up, of what's going on with our allies that we haven't taken along to the Reaper-beam-bbq. Oh, and change the ending ;op

[Phoenix-Warden]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Phoenix-Warden wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

ME3 - The Animal House Ending

Love this

Same here. I love the Kadain-, Tali- and Vega-part

And the Joker/EDI part

[Iucounou]

Fatso8686 wrote...

As it has been stated a thousand times, the ending has soooooo many plot holes. There are about a dozen new questions that arise that would need a whole new game to close. This was supposed to be the end of a trilogy!

Also, I do want the choice to have my hollywood Shep lives and him and LI live happily ever after ending. I don't have a problem making a sad, Shep dies, ending. Just give us CHOICES! Just like ME1 and 2 did, we had a choice to have a happy or sad ending.

Yes, in ME2 Shepard could actually die on the suicide mission, just as all the others could.

Here, he dies unless you're willing to do MP to get your War Readiness up. There's no awesome showdown like we hoped. No grand finale. No epic sacrifices by your companions, or the war assets to enable you to get to the end.

Just Casper the AI and the pick a colour ending.

[Xyalon]

galaxidj wrote...

As ive mentioned many pages before (lol) the people that "liked" the ending have in no way invested as much time as us.
Though i can not speak for all of you, i do tend to believe that most have spend over 100's of hours per saga.
I myself have 7 playthroughs on ME1 and 11 on ME2, however one on ME3 lol.
People that dont have similair numbers/time on the ME series dont share the connection we have with it, thus making them care less and accept more.
We on the other hand have connected with the series, care for it, and thus find the ending insulting to both Mass Effect and what Bioware stands for.

In my own personal experience, looking at what people have written in both forum and in reviews blogs in favour of the endings, it seems like they actually have very little to say about what they like it.

What I have seen is a lot of people protesting its High Art, or insisting that we just "don't get it" or that we can't understand what makes "good scifi". Apart from finding that somewhat insulting, I would like to point out that "You wouldn't understand" is not a reason; it is deflection.

Not only that, they seem to have resorted to the tactics of the reapers when faced with a question that they don't seem to know the answer to themselves, or are not really interested in discussing in case they actually realised that their logic is painfully flawed. "Purposes that are higher than organic beings can comprehend."

Well then, if this is the case, and all of us are just too damn stupid to understand what is so great about the ending, why are they then not endeavouring to teach us like the responsible intellectual human beings that they are, instead of sitting there, smearing us with labels, flaming and trolling us until they're blue in the face and throwing barely concealed insults?

The reason is this, they cannot. If they would like to prove me wrong then I will happily listen to their arguments. Until that time I shall go with the experience I have so far which is that either they haven't played the game (which some admit to), or they are being contrary for the sake of it.

[TamiBx]

shephard987 wrote...

Guys, it has come to my attention that Ken Levine is sad over this
fan outcry that is us.
Here is the link to the article.
After finishing reading that article, I sent Mr. Levine our official mission statement,
our reasons for organizing this movement and also a rational dissection of the endings
which are in question.
Please send letters or messages explaining our rationale behind our reasons,
as Mr. Levine is probably one of the most creative minds of the present day,
and if we show him the reason,
I hope we can alleviate his discontent with the situation.

http://www.theverge....-ken-levine-sad

Thank you.

Hold the Line

Wait, I'm confused. Why would he be upset over this...?

[Kyria Nyriese]

I read somewhere, can't remember now where exactly, that someone from Bioware had said (Think it was Casey not sure) That Mass Effect was a story about self sacrifice. I've played all three games recently, I did a run through for a new character when the game released, and I was always under the impression the game was about hope and overcoming the odds. I seriously have never noticed any leaning of the game toward self sacrifice.

[Johnford2c]

DJBare wrote...

People returning their copies, that of course is entirely up to you, but that is going to mean a financial loss for Bioware, we are not at war with Bioware, we are fighting because we care, if they get financial problems then it's going to be difficult for them to develop more content, that includes any new endings.

Not everyone can take them back, I brought mine on PC.

If they see they are loosing money, they will fix the ending or at least anounce they are.
People will then begin buying ME3 again. I don't want to destroy Bioware either. I own alot of BioWare and EA games and enjoyed the games.. I just want them to give me the game they advertised.

[Darth Garrus]

galaxidj wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

I don't really understand how some people don't see the flaws of the endings. If you can get past the "I didn't have a problem with the endings", one thing in inescapable: the fact that we were promised totally different endings depending on all the choices we made through all the games!!!

But the endings are the same no matter you killed lots of different important characters, or if you left them alive, for example. No matter what you did, the endings presented to your character are the same.

The only thing that gives you a slightly different end is playing multiplayer or not.

What is being complained, ultimately, is not just about the endings being good or bad. Is that all the decisions you made up to ME3, and during that game, didn't matter at all!!!

Some people just can't get past the "I liked the melancholic style of the end. It fits". It's not about that! It's about taking all our choices into account. Otherwise, it's just another shooter where you kill your way up to some endings.

It reminds me of small choices in action games, like "Jedi Academy". No matter what you did before, you would get to the choice of becoming a Dark Jedi or not. It was the only choice throughout the game. But that was OK. I was never promised a game with dialogues and choices. But it was not the case with ME.

People really need to get over the "I liked it" and see the real issue. The ending does NOT take into account the hundreds of choices you made before!!!

As ive mentioned many pages before (lol) the people that "liked" the ending have in no way invested as much time as us.
Though i can not speak for all of you, i do tend to believe that most have spend over 100's of hours per saga.
I myself have 7 playthroughs on ME1 and 11 on ME2, however one on ME3 lol.
People that dont have similair numbers/time on the ME series dont share the connection we have with it, thus making them care less and accept more.
We on the other hand have connected with the series, care for it, and thus find the ending insulting to both Mass Effect and what Bioware stands for.

Well, thanks for you and KHReborn commenting. But I fear it has just got into different "crowds" discussing:

   - If I liked a game's ending, I shouldn't allow a new ending to be made.
   - If I didn't like the endings, I should demand a new one.

But this is not the real issue. The problem is still there, no matter you liked the endings or not! Like it or not, the game just doesn't give you the choices you were promised. And we bought a series based on choices. ME2 changes according to ME1 choices; ME3 changed according to your previous choices. But ME3 endings, IMO, the most important part of any game, movie, story, didn't change, no matter what you've done before.

I think people should get over the "I liked it" or "I didn't like it" (even if you did, like me), and focus on the real issue: I was promised choices; I payed for choices; I followed it to see that my choices were worth something in the end. And they were not!

That is the case. The rest will polarize the discussion and get us nowhere.

[DuncanId]

Just realized that Catherine has more and better endings.

A game about a guy in underwear climbing a tower in dreams while hanging in a bar with his friends and trying to decide if he should cheat on his girlfriend because he's afraid of marrying her has more and better endings.

I don't even know how to feel about that.

[Wearyanna]

SSV Stockholm reporting in, sixth day in the movement.

Slight obstructions ahead due to missions of regularity and such but will continue to hold the line.

Good to see the forum is still extremly active with compassionate gamers for a better ending!

Wearyanna out

[TSC_1]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I read somewhere, can't remember now where exactly, that someone from Bioware had said (Think it was Casey not sure) That Mass Effect was a story about self sacrifice. I've played all three games recently, I did a run through for a new character when the game released, and I was always under the impression the game was about hope and overcoming the odds. I seriously have never noticed any leaning of the game toward self sacrifice.

I agree. It's about standing up for what's right, and winning out of sheer stubbornness.

[Gi-Joe-Ge]

TSC_1 wrote...

You know, for me, the biggest takeaway from all of this has been the realization of just how very broken games "journalism" is. (...)

I fully agree with you.

An embarrassing example in Germany is the monthly magazine "Gamestar". After a glowing review about ME3 and statements such as 'The ending is satisfactory and the player is not left behind with any open questions' and writing a column about how great the ending actually is after first gamer upcry, they have made themselve lose all their credibility.

When looking at their forums one can see that users are making jokes about them and how they are disconnected from reality.

[Hydralysk]

TSC_1 wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I read somewhere, can't remember now where exactly, that someone from Bioware had said (Think it was Casey not sure) That Mass Effect was a story about self sacrifice. I've played all three games recently, I did a run through for a new character when the game released, and I was always under the impression the game was about hope and overcoming the odds. I seriously have never noticed any leaning of the game toward self sacrifice.

I agree. It's about standing up for what's right, and winning out of sheer stubbornness.

Maybe the ending they considered canon was in ME2 when you die in the suicide mission?

[Phoenix NL]

Phoenix-Warden wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Phoenix-Warden wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

ME3 - The Animal House Ending

Love this

Same here. I love the Kadain-, Tali- and Vega-part

And the Joker/EDI part

This made my night!

[DJBare]

Find below some important links you may want to follow.

BBC news technology section
Retake Mass Effect - Child's Play ***Please Donate***
Mass Effect 3 debacle - Pre-release developer quotes
Poll About The Ending
'Official' Poll For Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC
[POLL] What exactly would you change with the ending?
EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode ***Regularly UPDATED***
Retake Mass Effect Banner Templates
Mission Statement Thread
Retake Mass Effect Group on BSN ***Please Join***
Mass Effect 3 Resource Site with collection of statements and reports
Retake Mass Effect 3 Statistics
Retake Mass Effect on Facebook
Retake Mass Effect on Youtube
Retake Mass Effect 3 Endings - Extranet Site - Resource Collector
IGN facebook page

Retake Mass Effect on Twitter
@RetakeME3

Keep it civil... and hold the line!

[Benirus]

DuncanId wrote...

Just realized that Catherine has more and better endings.

A game about a guy in underwear climbing a tower in dreams while hanging in a bar with his friends and trying to decide if he should cheat on his girlfriend because he's afraid of marrying her has more and better endings.

I don't even know how to feel about that.

Catherine's "bad guy" ending is boss If you haven't seen it, check it up on youtube.

Modifié par Benirus, 20 mars 2012 - 08:00 .

[mulder1199]

i'm off all keep holding the line

get over to the 'suggested endings thread' and get your ideas out there....who knows maybe they'll pick your ending!

[RatedRRachel]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I read somewhere, can't remember now where exactly, that someone from Bioware had said (Think it was Casey not sure) That Mass Effect was a story about self sacrifice. I've played all three games recently, I did a run through for a new character when the game released, and I was always under the impression the game was about hope and overcoming the odds. I seriously have never noticed any leaning of the game toward self sacrifice.

Me too. I mean the whole conversation between Kaidan and my femShep after their night together was how she built hope for the galaxy. "Hope and a fighting chance"... guess they didn't see the ending. I wish I could forget it. 

[N085]

TSC_1 wrote...

galaxidj wrote...

As ive mentioned many pages before (lol) the people that "liked" the ending have in no way invested as much time as us.
Though i can not speak for all of you, i do tend to believe that most have spend over 100's of hours per saga.
I myself have 7 playthroughs on ME1 and 11 on ME2, however one on ME3 lol.
People that dont have similair numbers/time on the ME series dont share the connection we have with it, thus making them care less and accept more.
We on the other hand have connected with the series, care for it, and thus find the ending insulting to both Mass Effect and what Bioware stands for.

Bioware collects a lot of data on who plays their games, so I know they can do this... I'd like to see a line graph with "ME2 hours played" along the X axis and "ME3 hours played" along the Y axis. I imagine it would be... disheartening for Bioware to look at.

I have 10 playthroughs on ME1 and 14 on ME2 (a lot i know) so it's fair to say that a lot of us have put more than 100 hours into the trilogy. We all have a strong connection with the series and so we don't want to see it ended in such a nonsensical way.

[Goikiu]

Gi-Joe-Ge wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

You know, for me, the biggest takeaway from all of this has been the realization of just how very broken games "journalism" is. (...)

I fully agree with you.

An embarrassing example in Germany is the monthly magazine "Gamestar". After a glowing review about ME3 and statements such as 'The ending is satisfactory and the player is not left behind with any open questions' and writing a column about how great the ending actually is after first gamer upcry, they have made themselve lose all their credibility.

When looking at their forums one can see that users are making jokes about them and how they are disconnected from reality.

I think that a lot of gaming site rewrite what others have written... It is not possible to be neutral without playing this game, to see it objective ME3 isn't that "legendary" game for a lot of people, is a good game, but not too much. However site like gamestar need to check it before post something, waiting for a news is something bad they says... however that will make them not feeling so bad 

[TamiBx]

Johnford2c wrote...

DJBare wrote...

People returning their copies, that of course is entirely up to you, but that is going to mean a financial loss for Bioware, we are not at war with Bioware, we are fighting because we care, if they get financial problems then it's going to be difficult for them to develop more content, that includes any new endings.

Not everyone can take them back, I brought mine on PC.

If they see they are loosing money, they will fix the ending or at least anounce they are.
People will then begin buying ME3 again. I don't want to destroy Bioware either. I own alot of BioWare and EA games and enjoyed the games.. I just want them to give me the game they advertised.

I actually mentioned this to my mom right now (my copy of ME3 is home) and she said she would never go return it, because she isn't after Bioware or anything. 
What we want is a new ending, and if they can't provide it for us, all we can do is never buy a Bioware game again. 
I don't think returning a game after we played the whole thing is a good thing...it's like eating food at a restaurant and refusing the pay the bill because the dessert was not as good as the main dish. We could as for a new dessert, but not refused to pay the whole thing based only on the dessert. That's just...wrong. 
I mean, the whole game was amazing. We can't deny that. 

It's always up to you though. 

[beyondsolo]

Xyalon wrote...

galaxidj wrote...

As ive mentioned many pages before (lol) the people that "liked" the ending have in no way invested as much time as us.
Though i can not speak for all of you, i do tend to believe that most have spend over 100's of hours per saga.
I myself have 7 playthroughs on ME1 and 11 on ME2, however one on ME3 lol.
People that dont have similair numbers/time on the ME series dont share the connection we have with it, thus making them care less and accept more.
We on the other hand have connected with the series, care for it, and thus find the ending insulting to both Mass Effect and what Bioware stands for.

In my own personal experience, looking at what people have written in both forum and in reviews blogs in favour of the endings, it seems like they actually have very little to say about what they like it.

What I have seen is a lot of people protesting its High Art, or insisting that we just "don't get it" or that we can't understand what makes "good scifi". Apart from finding that somewhat insulting, I would like to point out that "You wouldn't understand" is not a reason; it is deflection.

Not only that, they seem to have resorted to the tactics of the reapers when faced with a question that they don't seem to know the answer to themselves, or are not really interested in discussing in case they actually realised that their logic is painfully flawed. "Purposes that are higher than organic beings can comprehend."

Well then, if this is the case, and all of us are just too damn stupid to understand what is so great about the ending, why are they then not endeavouring to teach us like the responsible intellectual human beings that they are, instead of sitting there, smearing us with labels, flaming and trolling us until they're blue in the face and throwing barely concealed insults?

The reason is this, they cannot. If they would like to prove me wrong then I will happily listen to their arguments. Until that time I shall go with the experience I have so far which is that either they haven't played the game (which some admit to), or they are being contrary for the sake of it.

Another popular tactic of pro-ending activists (I don't mind people who liked the ending, I'm happy for them, really; that's why this specific term to define the group) is to open a thread or start a discussion, stating their reasons why they liked the ending. Then someone from the Retake Movement responds, deconstructing everything they said politely but firmly, and then offers our reasons why we don't like the ending.

What follows is that the pro-ending activist will end up ignoring most of the points and just start attacking what he or she perceives as the weakest spot, not offering any counter-argumentation whatsoever to 95% of the response. This may work in a hit-and-run war, but not in a civilized discussion.

Modifié par beyondsolo, 20 mars 2012 - 08:02 .