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[Kenkimaru]

The Keepers ON the Citadel are organics arent they? But im just saiyan...

Hold the Line

[ArmyKnifeX]

TamiBx wrote...
I actually mentioned this to my mom right now (my copy of ME3 is home) and she said she would never go return it, because she isn't after Bioware or anything. 
What we want is a new ending, and if they can't provide it for us, all we can do is never buy a Bioware game again. 
I don't think returning a game after we played the whole thing is a good thing...it's like eating food at a restaurant and refusing the pay the bill because the dessert was not as good as the main dish. We could as for a new dessert, but not refused to pay the whole thing based only on the dessert. That's just...wrong. 
I mean, the whole game was amazing. We can't deny that. 

It's always up to you though. 

I dunno. If the desert were poisonous or made you so physically ill upon eating it that you immediately vomited and developed flu-like symptoms I'm pretty sure any decent restaurant would compensate you for the meal.

[Iucounou]

TSC_1 wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I read somewhere, can't remember now where exactly, that someone from Bioware had said (Think it was Casey not sure) That Mass Effect was a story about self sacrifice. I've played all three games recently, I did a run through for a new character when the game released, and I was always under the impression the game was about hope and overcoming the odds. I seriously have never noticed any leaning of the game toward self sacrifice.

I agree. It's about standing up for what's right, and winning out of sheer stubbornness.

I don't think any of us are actually upset about the self-sacrifice element. It's just the lack of any choice other than that. If they had given us a good, bad and a middling ending, depending on what we chose at the end, very few of us would be here now. The lack of a choice and the fact that nothing in the games up to that point actually mattered at all, is what is the biggest kick in the teeth.

[ld1449]

http://www.theverge....-ken-levine-sad

Anybody willing to join me on the comment threads here (I was a little lost on the article itself but the commentators are much more concrete and answerable)

To anyone who says "Bioware should end it how they want to end it"

Bioware is not a person, it is a team. A team that had an original ending in mind, scrapped it at the last minute and put in the current ending that they have.

So that in itself puts it outside the category of "art" and puts it squarely in the category of "Marketing"

[Jorojr]

Johnford2c wrote...


Not everyone can take them back, I brought mine on PC.

If they see they are loosing money, they will fix the ending or at least anounce they are.
People will then begin buying ME3 again. I don't want to destroy Bioware either. I own alot of BioWare and EA games and enjoyed the games.. I just want them to give me the game they advertised.

I'm in the same boat as a PC user so I decided to give AMEX a call.  Thanks to their buyer protection policy, they say I'm covered.  I have the physical Collector's Edition, so I'll have to send it back to AMEX.  I'm not sure how that'll work as it's registered with Origin, but I have I may not be out $85 afterall.

Modifié par Jorojr, 20 mars 2012 - 08:04 .

[Hydralysk]

Benirus wrote...

DuncanId wrote...

Just realized that Catherine has more and better endings.

A game about a guy in underwear climbing a tower in dreams while hanging in a bar with his friends and trying to decide if he should cheat on his girlfriend because he's afraid of marrying her has more and better endings.

I don't even know how to feel about that.

Catherine's "bad guy" ending is boss If you haven't seen it, check it up on youtube.

Crap I never finished that game, I got frustrated on a puzzle on the last night and gave up. But yeah it is pretty sad that my choices in a game about a guy with commitment issues had more weight in the end than the choices I made uniting a galaxy.

[TSC_1]

N085 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Bioware collects a lot of data on who plays their games, so I know they can do this... I'd like to see a line graph with "ME2 hours played" along the X axis and "ME3 hours played" along the Y axis. I imagine it would be... disheartening for Bioware to look at.

I have 10 playthroughs on ME1 and 14 on ME2 (a lot i know) so it's fair to say that a lot of us have put more than 100 hours into the trilogy. We all have a strong connection with the series and so we don't want to see it ended in such a nonsensical way.

Exactly. I imagine that the graph I'm talking about would show that the more you played ME2, the less you played ME3. Which would indicate serious problems. Bioware would be losing their most devoted customers.

[Goikiu]

ld1449 wrote...

http://www.theverge....-ken-levine-sad

Anybody willing to join me on the comment threads here (I was a little lost on the article itself but the commentators are much more concrete and answerable)

To anyone who says "Bioware should end it how they want to end it"

Bioware is not a person, it is a team. A team that had an original ending in mind, scrapped it at the last minute and put in the current ending that they have.

So that in itself puts it outside the category of "art" and puts it squarely in the category of "Marketing"

More than this.
They sure have the rights of make an End how they want. However if they says something like "Your choice will make different endings" and the end game is poorly done... (Because of your choise you can change the amount of EMS) you need to re-check your mind as a Game - Programmer and see what you've done. 

[Benirus]

Kenkimaru wrote...

The Keepers ON the Citadel are organics arent they? But im just saiyan...

Hold the Line

So are the collectors. Both have some cybernetics I think.... Never looked it up actually.

[TSC_1]

Iucounou wrote...

I don't think any of us are actually upset about the self-sacrifice element. It's just the lack of any choice other than that. If they had given us a good, bad and a middling ending, depending on what we chose at the end, very few of us would be here now. The lack of a choice and the fact that nothing in the games up to that point actually mattered at all, is what is the biggest kick in the teeth.

Sure, that's not the real problem. But I do think it makes the ending even more thematically inconsistent with the rest of the series.

[Pandoravv3]

MEs latest twitter stated that while they are considering changing the endings, they are getting alot of people suggesting that they don't change the endings. I really hate when people do that. It doesn't matter how many people are on the opposing side, the few that say what you want to hear are worth more.

[Conspicuous Cake]

Cake reporting in!

Anything happen while I was busy melting my brain with tv?

[TamiBx]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

TamiBx wrote...
I actually mentioned this to my mom right now (my copy of ME3 is home) and she said she would never go return it, because she isn't after Bioware or anything. 
What we want is a new ending, and if they can't provide it for us, all we can do is never buy a Bioware game again. 
I don't think returning a game after we played the whole thing is a good thing...it's like eating food at a restaurant and refusing the pay the bill because the dessert was not as good as the main dish. We could as for a new dessert, but not refused to pay the whole thing based only on the dessert. That's just...wrong. 
I mean, the whole game was amazing. We can't deny that. 

It's always up to you though. 

I dunno. If the desert were poisonous or made you so physically ill upon eating it that you immediately vomited and developed flu-like symptoms I'm pretty sure any decent restaurant would compensate you for the meal.

They usually give you a gift card or a free something for next time you come and pay your medical bills (only if it was poisoned...if it's allergy, it's your own problem. My parents are both in the restaurant business)

I'm not taking Bioware's side (oh gosh, no way I would do that. I'm as mad as everyone here about the ending and no Shenko babies) but I don't think returning it is a good idea. At least not when we don't know what they will do yet. 
We might get a new ending...maybe...I hope...

[Darth Asriel]

Glad to see so many are still here and fighting to get Shepard and company the ending they deserve.

[chosen_trekie]

Iucounou wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I read somewhere, can't remember now where exactly, that someone from Bioware had said (Think it was Casey not sure) That Mass Effect was a story about self sacrifice. I've played all three games recently, I did a run through for a new character when the game released, and I was always under the impression the game was about hope and overcoming the odds. I seriously have never noticed any leaning of the game toward self sacrifice.

I agree. It's about standing up for what's right, and winning out of sheer stubbornness.

I don't think any of us are actually upset about the self-sacrifice element. It's just the lack of any choice other than that. If they had given us a good, bad and a middling ending, depending on what we chose at the end, very few of us would be here now. The lack of a choice and the fact that nothing in the games up to that point actually mattered at all, is what is the biggest kick in the teeth.

Agreed, I made a suggestion on the ME3 Feedback thread that had 5 possible endings.  Shepard dies in 4 of them.  I'm ok with sacrifice as long as it's done well, and there is at least a chance of survival.

[Pandoravv3]

Benirus wrote...

DuncanId wrote...

Just realized that Catherine has more and better endings.

A game about a guy in underwear climbing a tower in dreams while hanging in a bar with his friends and trying to decide if he should cheat on his girlfriend because he's afraid of marrying her has more and better endings.

I don't even know how to feel about that.

Catherine's "bad guy" ending is boss If you haven't seen it, check it up on youtube.

Are you referring to the chaos ending, or the actually bad versions of order, or chaos?

[Mythandariel]

Pandoravv3 wrote...

MEs latest twitter stated that while they are considering changing the endings, they are getting alot of people suggesting that they don't change the endings. I really hate when people do that. It doesn't matter how many people are on the opposing side, the few that say what you want to hear are worth more.

Easy answer to that one. Make the new endings an optional download.

There... drama solved.

[TSC_1]

Pandoravv3 wrote...

MEs latest twitter stated that while they are considering changing the endings, they are getting alot of people suggesting that they don't change the endings. I really hate when people do that. It doesn't matter how many people are on the opposing side, the few that say what you want to hear are worth more.

Link to that Twitter post?

[DJBare]

Pandoravv3 wrote...

MEs latest twitter stated that while they are considering changing the endings, they are getting alot of people suggesting that they don't change the endings. I really hate when people do that. It doesn't matter how many people are on the opposing side, the few that say what you want to hear are worth more.

I cannot get on twitter, but they are mistaken, this movement is not looking to change the current endings, it's looking for additional endings, that way everyone gets what they want.

[Puppet_Guy]

Benirus wrote...

Kenkimaru wrote...

The Keepers ON the Citadel are organics arent they? But im just saiyan...

Hold the Line

So are the collectors. Both have some cybernetics I think.... Never looked it up actually.

And I say they are holograms.  Or not even there. Why?  Well...

Anyone else notice that you can freaking WALK through the Keepers when you enter the Citadel through the beam?  No, seriously, the Keepers are not solid.  You can walk though them/stand in them.

[Goikiu]

Darth Asriel wrote...

Glad to see so many are still here and fighting to get Shepard and company the ending they deserve.

The more time it flow, the more people we gain soldier. 

[Mara Shep]

Back with takeaway and holding the line! Can't hold it on an empty stomach.

My guy is moments away from the end. This is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

[Pandoravv3]

Mythandariel wrote...

Pandoravv3 wrote...

MEs latest twitter stated that while they are considering changing the endings, they are getting alot of people suggesting that they don't change the endings. I really hate when people do that. It doesn't matter how many people are on the opposing side, the few that say what you want to hear are worth more.

Easy answer to that one. Make the new endings an optional download.

There... drama solved.

I agree, it just makes me frustrated that they hide behind the actual minority, to dodge the "vocal minority".

[KaiserinKai]

TSC_1 wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I read somewhere, can't remember now where exactly, that someone from Bioware had said (Think it was Casey not sure) That Mass Effect was a story about self sacrifice. I've played all three games recently, I did a run through for a new character when the game released, and I was always under the impression the game was about hope and overcoming the odds. I seriously have never noticed any leaning of the game toward self sacrifice.

I agree. It's about standing up for what's right, and winning out of sheer stubbornness.

That reminds me of what we're doing with this movement. We will not back down like BW and EA are hoping, we will keep fighting until the bitter end, and we will win our new endings!

[Phoenix NL]

RatedRRachel wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I read somewhere, can't remember now where exactly, that someone from Bioware had said (Think it was Casey not sure) That Mass Effect was a story about self sacrifice. I've played all three games recently, I did a run through for a new character when the game released, and I was always under the impression the game was about hope and overcoming the odds. I seriously have never noticed any leaning of the game toward self sacrifice.

Me too. I mean the whole conversation between Kaidan and my femShep after their night together was how she built hope for the galaxy. "Hope and a fighting chance"... guess they didn't see the ending. I wish I could forget it. 

Exactly, I had that same moment. I've always taken away hope, tolerance and "There is always another way." as being the major themes.