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[Johnford2c]

TamiBx wrote...

Johnford2c wrote...

DJBare wrote...

People returning their copies, that of course is entirely up to you, but that is going to mean a financial loss for Bioware, we are not at war with Bioware, we are fighting because we care, if they get financial problems then it's going to be difficult for them to develop more content, that includes any new endings.

Not everyone can take them back, I brought mine on PC.

If they see they are loosing money, they will fix the ending or at least anounce they are.
People will then begin buying ME3 again. I don't want to destroy Bioware either. I own alot of BioWare and EA games and enjoyed the games.. I just want them to give me the game they advertised.

I actually mentioned this to my mom right now (my copy of ME3 is home) and she said she would never go return it, because she isn't after Bioware or anything. 
What we want is a new ending, and if they can't provide it for us, all we can do is never buy a Bioware game again. 
I don't think returning a game after we played the whole thing is a good thing...it's like eating food at a restaurant and refusing the pay the bill because the dessert was not as good as the main dish. We could as for a new dessert, but not refused to pay the whole thing based only on the dessert. That's just...wrong. 
I mean, the whole game was amazing. We can't deny that. 

It's always up to you though. 

OK I get what you are saying.  If the dessert had ants in it, nobody at my table would pay for any food or drinks. If you buy a new 3D tv and it did not work like they advertised, it would get returned. As a responsible consumer you shoud return it if you are not happy.    Yes you are right it is up to the person.  I can't deny that the game was amazing expect for the ending.  If BW/EA were to come out with a fix for the ending. I would buy there next game no problem. pre-order as usual.  Great Chat   I know we are both here to HOLD THE LINE!
 

[Goikiu]

TamiBx wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

If you change it all, the 10% people who actually like the endind will be enraged. And they will make their Retake ME3 Movement. So it's some sort of cycle. 

They can just not download it and keep their games as they are now. No need to make a huge drama out of it. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie] 

Well, and if you make possible to choose between original gameplay and the "modified" one when you make a new career? 

[StarGateGod]

LTBK wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

"We are getting plenty of feedback from people who love the ending and consider the thought of changing it an affront, as well." that doesn't sound like consider changing the endings.

Their loss then. I don't think that I'm the only one who won't buy anything else from EA or BioWare (including a cancelled SWTOR account). If they want to try their luck...

i cancelled my sub as soon as i heard about the ending hopefully they change it so i can get back the games that i love

[Benirus]

Pandoravv3 wrote...

Goikiu wrote...


If you change it all, the 10% people who actually like the endind will be enraged. And they will make their Retake ME3 Movement. So it's some sort of cycle. 

If I was Bioware, i'd take the 10% mad at me over the 90% anyday.

I don't see what the fuss is about, just make the new endings DLC, optional. They said they are not going back to the ME universe after Shepards time rigth? Shouldn't matter at all, thats what we call WIN-WIN. Purely becomes a matter of pride

Modifié par Benirus, 20 mars 2012 - 08:28 .

[TamiBx]

Goikiu wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

They can just not download it and keep their games as they are now. No need to make a huge drama out of it. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie] 

This can work, however what about on your "career making page" you can choose between the original gameplay and the modified one? 

IF they release a new/alternative ending, they are most likely going to release it as a DLC not as a patch, so people can just choose not to download it, since it's optional. They're not going to be dumb and release it as a patch; they are probably going to make it optional. 

[Maike91]

WvStolzing wrote...

"We are getting plenty of feedback from people who love the ending and consider the thought of changing it an affront, as well."

Perhaps the tens of thousands of reasoable people who are in favor have been voicing their opinions discreetly, unlike us rabble rousers.

They must have handwritten their support letters, on fine stationery. There must be a mountain of such letters in BW headquarters by now.

Wait...what??

[Experimentel]

What's this I'm hearing about 'getting plenty of feedback from people who loved the ending?' There's more than a 1000 of them somewhere?

I think they think we're really going to just cool off and continue to buy their games.I won't be.

[Goikiu]

LTBK wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

If you change it all, the 10% people who actually like the endind will be enraged. And they will make their Retake ME3 Movement. So it's some sort of cycle. 

They can just not download it and keep their games as they are now. No need to make a huge drama out of it.  

Pretty much this. We don't have that OPTION at all.

The other way is that when you download it you can choose for every career which end you want, the original one, or the dlc contents. 

[Misterdde45000]

TamiBx wrote...


Also, something called pride, which is preventing them from admitting that they made a mistake. 
I can't think of a reason besides "I don't want to"
Even money isn't really a problem; they know by now that if they make this DLC paid, many people will still get it and they will make profit out of it. 

Remind me of that one no offense intended but it can be seen as the situation here ( let's just say it... well... arts. )

[Goikiu]

TamiBx wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

They can just not download it and keep their games as they are now. No need to make a huge drama out of it. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie] 

This can work, however what about on your "career making page" you can choose between the original gameplay and the modified one? 

IF they release a new/alternative ending, they are most likely going to release it as a DLC not as a patch, so people can just choose not to download it, since it's optional. They're not going to be dumb and release it as a patch; they are probably going to make it optional. 

The page can be viewed only if you've got the "dlc" 

[The Big Palooka]

LTBK wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

"We are getting plenty of feedback from people who love the ending and consider the thought of changing it an affront, as well." that doesn't sound like consider changing the endings.

Their loss then. I don't think that I'm the only one who won't buy anything else from EA or BioWare (including a cancelled SWTOR account). If they want to try their luck...

Sounds like they're just covering their behinds, that's all.  And, in spite of that particular comment, gotta say that whoever's manning the twitter feed this afternoon is a lot more on the ball than some of the other shifts seem to have been, so, you know.  Their efforts to appear responsive at least are nice, I guess.

[SpaRR]

"an affront" oh ok.

I think it's a bigger "affront" if they don't care about 85% of players who want a better ending than the actual.

[Xyalon]

WvStolzing wrote...

"We are getting plenty of feedback from people who love the ending and consider the thought of changing it an affront, as well."

Perhaps the tens of thousands of reasoable people who are in favor have been voicing their opinions discreetly, unlike us rabble rousers.

They must have handwritten their support letters, on fine stationery. There must be a mountain of such letters in BW headquarters by now.

Actually it was only one letter, but they accidentally left in the photocopier on purpose over the weekend.

[Mr Chr15topher]

They are supposed to be making an announcement at PAX apparently, but hopefully we will get the endings before that. I know they want to wait for more people to finish the game, but even most of our Japanese friends have completed it by now. It doesn't take that long to complete.
Keep holding the line and hope for the best.

[Jorojr]

The Child's Play drive is at 73.5k! So close to the 75k milestone. I hope the final tally on 4/11 is north of $100k!

[Darth Garrus]

I bought the Geoff Keighley "Final Hours". What bothers me most is that every possible presentation of the game, and about how BW "innovated" the playing is that, and I quote: "Mass Effect's real innovation comes in the way its story adapts to choices made by individual players".

Wooops. Something doesn't fit with the endings.

I would hate if this impression continued to be a "badge of honor" for ME and BW if the endings aren't fixed. I mean, they could perfectly be amended into something great. And something that respected this premise. And then, they could very well say that line again. Until then, it's hollow.

[Cybermortis]

Lets put this in context sales wise.

First day sales figures for ME3 were some 1.6 million worldwide.

On average some 90% of customers are unhappy at the ending.

That is some 1.44 million of their customer base, and most likely CORE customer base, unhappy at the offered product.

Even if only half of those who are unhappy were to boycott all future Bioware games that is a significant number of lost sales - be be more specific two and a half times the number of people who bought the game in Europe....


And this doesn't include the Asian markets....

Modifié par Cybermortis, 20 mars 2012 - 08:32 .

[spacefiddle]

Well, the problem with presenting "positive feedback about the endings" is that you either accept a "vocal minority" has statistical significance, or you don't.

From the start, the various polls around the internet showing 80 - 90% dissatisfaction with the endings have been dismissed by BWEA spokespersons as being insignificant compared to the "majority of players." Okay. Well, if that's so, how can a fraction of people *supporting* the ending be in any way MORE significant?

It can't. When BWEA gets over the shock and fright of this reaction - or is done with "bunkering," after seeing basic PR strat so very well explained - it knows darn well it can't. Especially after all the publicity and flames, if there really was a huge majority of players who outnumbered us... we'd see them reflected in the statistics. We do not. The defenders of the ending are the true vocal minority.

In the middle are those who neither hate the endings nor feel obligated to defend them from all criticism. If they are the true majority, then they are a possible market for any *optional* DLC that affects the ending, and they're *already* a market for all other DLC. Therefore, ending DLC does not adversely affect them, and does not adversely affect revenue.

BWEA is still, I think, hoping against all non-godboi logic that some massive upsurge of vocal defenders will arise, removing the need for them to do anything, as that might indicate that any ending DLC will not be profitable, and that NOT providing ending DLC will not affect unrelated DLC sales.

I wish they'd get over it already, but I think it will eventually sink in that this is not the case. Reading atg's breakdown of the PR process has actually given me a little more hope - I had a fuzzy idea that that's how things would break down, just from my experience in corporate structures, but his write-ups are pretty amazing.

[Experimentel]

SpaRR wrote...

"an affront" oh ok.

I think it's a bigger "affront" if they don't care about 85% of players who want a better ending than the actual.

No kidding. They're going to be offending a good deal of their player base by calling our movement 'an affront' to them. If that's the case they really don't care about us at all and they can say goodbye to my money.

[Mavaras]

TSC_1 wrote...

Pandoravv3 wrote...


Sounds like an excuse to me, they REALLY don't want to change the ending, what I want to know is why so against it.

Because it costs money and they want something that sounds legitimate in order to get out of the obligation. We need to come down on this, hard.

I don't think they understand yet that if they don't change the ending or add an epilogue or something that satisfies our requests, they are gonna to get financially hurt. Doesn't matter what their reason is for doing it.

Also, Bioware underestimates the intelligence of their customers........ It's kind of disgusting, actually.

[Benirus]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

They are supposed to be making an announcement at PAX apparently, but hopefully we will get the endings before that. I know they want to wait for more people to finish the game, but even most of our Japanese friends have completed it by now. It doesn't take that long to complete.
Keep holding the line and hope for the best.

There are some that use alot of time to complete games because of work.

But honestly, if you usually do that, you're probably pretty good at dodging spoilers by now.

[Sunnyhat1]

Well this is disturbing.

[Fuzrum77]

TamiBx wrote...

Also, something called pride, which is preventing them from admitting that they made a mistake. 
I can't think of a reason besides "I don't want to"
Even money isn't really a problem; they know by now that if they make this DLC paid, many people will still get it and they will make profit out of it. 

I think you hit the nail on the head. Mac Walters and Casey Hudson must still be under the delusion that their ending was brilliant and inspired. And now they're sticking their fingers in their ears. Well, they can do that only for so long before EA forces them to correct this disaster. EA's stockholders will not just stand by and watch in horror as their money dwindles away.

[TamiBx]

Goikiu wrote...

The page can be viewed only if you've got the "dlc" 

Ooooh, I get what you mean. Yeah, exactly. 
Don't see the need to make drama. That would just be...childish. 

[Goikiu]

spacefiddle wrote...

Well, the problem with presenting "positive feedback about the endings" is that you either accept a "vocal minority" has statistical significance, or you don't.

From the start, the various polls around the internet showing 80 - 90% dissatisfaction with the endings have been dismissed by BWEA spokespersons as being insignificant compared to the "majority of players." Okay. Well, if that's so, how can a fraction of people *supporting* the ending be in any way MORE significant?

Someone have said a lot of years ago that you can see only what you want to see.