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[Iucounou]

WvStolzing wrote...

"We are getting plenty of feedback from people who love the ending and consider the thought of changing it an affront, as well."

Perhaps the tens of thousands of reasoable people who are in favor have been voicing their opinions discreetly, unlike us rabble rousers.

They must have handwritten their support letters, on fine stationery. There must be a mountain of such letters in BW headquarters by now.

Indeed. Everywhere I have looked, the condemnation has been almost universal.

I think it is sad beyond belief that it has come to this.

Continuing to keep us in the dark about their intentions is making me more and more angry. Angrier, in fact, than the ending itself.

I almost just wish they'd tell us to f**k off. At least we could then patronize other gaming companies with our custom.

[DarkRavin07]

Hydralysk wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Pandoravv3 wrote...

MEs latest twitter stated that while they are considering changing the endings, they are getting alot of people suggesting that they don't change the endings. I really hate when people do that. It doesn't matter how many people are on the opposing side, the few that say what you want to hear are worth more.

Link to that Twitter post?

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/182188923588579329

"We are getting plenty of feedback from people who love the ending and consider the thought of changing it an affront, as well." that doesn't sound like consider changing the endings.

So that 1% or 2% is alot of people.....  But the 91% of us don't matter?

[Cybermortis]

I wonder if BW are/were waiting for the second week sales figures to be made public before commenting or making a decision?

[Crushknee]

I think the Relays gone and the crew of the Normandy on some distant planet are set ups to a mass effect future Sequel..Can they make a good ending and keep those 2 elements intact?

[Experimentel]

Cybermortis wrote...

I wonder if BW are/were waiting for the second week sales figures to be made public before commenting or making a decision?

Could be. But I heard somewhere ME3 on amazon went from 60 dollars to 40 (or was it twenty?) pretty darn quickly.

[galaxidj]

spacefiddle wrote...

Well, the problem with presenting "positive feedback about the endings" is that you either accept a "vocal minority" has statistical significance, or you don't.

From the start, the various polls around the internet showing 80 - 90% dissatisfaction with the endings have been dismissed by BWEA spokespersons as being insignificant compared to the "majority of players." Okay. Well, if that's so, how can a fraction of people *supporting* the ending be in any way MORE significant?

It can't. When BWEA gets over the shock and fright of this reaction - or is done with "bunkering," after seeing basic PR strat so very well explained - it knows darn well it can't. Especially after all the publicity and flames, if there really was a huge majority of players who outnumbered us... we'd see them reflected in the statistics. We do not. The defenders of the ending are the true vocal minority.

In the middle are those who neither hate the endings nor feel obligated to defend them from all criticism. If they are the true majority, then they are a possible market for any *optional* DLC that affects the ending, and they're *already* a market for all other DLC. Therefore, ending DLC does not adversely affect them, and does not adversely affect revenue.

BWEA is still, I think, hoping against all non-godboi logic that some massive upsurge of vocal defenders will arise, removing the need for them to do anything, as that might indicate that any ending DLC will not be profitable, and that NOT providing ending DLC will not affect unrelated DLC sales.

I wish they'd get over it already, but I think it will eventually sink in that this is not the case. Reading atg's breakdown of the PR process has actually given me a little more hope - I had a fuzzy idea that that's how things would break down, just from my experience in corporate structures, but his write-ups are pretty amazing.

Good read

[Goikiu]

TamiBx wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

The page can be viewed only if you've got the "dlc" 

Ooooh, I get what you mean. Yeah, exactly. 
Don't see the need to make drama. That would just be...childish. 

Well, you know.
We don't love the ends, they do. We need to find some place where all are ok with. So the dlc idea is one, make it free? Ok.
We know (me, you, the other soldiers) that we will have what we want, however what the pro-ending really want? 
For me, having a dlc or patch won't change anything, for them yes, however a lot here have said that they won't the original endings deleted. I say that they need to not be deleted, that way who love the actual ends can have them. 

[Deschi]

regarding if its minority which did not like the ending or a majority it would be so easy: make a poll via origin: just one vote per registered game, make the poll pop up automatically when you start the game and finsihed it ... et voilá!

[TSC_1]

TamiBx wrote...

IF they release a new/alternative ending, they are most likely going to release it as a DLC not as a patch, so people can just choose not to download it, since it's optional. They're not going to be dumb and release it as a patch; they are probably going to make it optional. 

Even if it is a patch, all they need to do is have a screen at the beginning of every new game:

Select the ending to Mass Effect 3

Original ending [  ]
New ending [  ]



Problem solved.

[galaxidj]

Experimentel wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

I wonder if BW are/were waiting for the second week sales figures to be made public before commenting or making a decision?

Could be. But I heard somewhere ME3 on amazon went from 60 dollars to 40 (or was it twenty?) pretty darn quickly.

40, its dropping to 40 world wide (pc version, at country's currency) within 2weeks of release

[Goikiu]

Deschi wrote...

regarding if its minority which did not like the ending or a majority it would be so easy: make a poll via origin: just one vote per registered game, make the poll pop up automatically when you start the game and finsihed it ... et voilá!

I Play with my xbox .
I've an origin account too, however... don't remember ... all of us need to have a mass effect copy to post here? 

[Xyalon]

Cybermortis wrote...

Lets put this in context sales wise.

First day sales figures for ME3 were some 1.6 million worldwide.

On average some 90% of customers are unhappy at the ending.

That is some 1.44 million of their customer base, and most likely CORE customer base, unhappy at the offered product.

Even if only half of those who are unhappy were to boycott all future Bioware games that is a significant number of lost sales - be be more specific two and a half times the number of people who bought the game in Europe....


And this doesn't include the Asian markets....

Before this gets out of hand and people start quoting it as fact, we do not have an accurate representation of every person who played the game. Yes, of those people who partook in the poll which gave an overwhelming majority to those who were against the ending. However if we start basing arguments on extrapolated data with only a small basis we will have our arguments picked apart and shot down in no time. I know this because if I was on the other side I'd be doing it right now.

Yes, the polls are indicative of a wider audience, but not definitive. That works both for us and against us. All we can say is that of those people who were motivated enough to vote, who cared about the game enough to vote, an overwhelming majority were against the ends. What we can say is that those people who have not voted either don't know about either side of the argument (hence no vote) or really just don't care one way or another.

The polls are in our favour for people who care, that is enough and that is what we should focus on.

Modifié par Xyalon, 20 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[chujwamdotego]

reporting back to hold the line

sometimes You refer to "PAX"; what is it exactly ? (sorry for asking, but I'm not a native english speaker)

Modifié par chujwamdotego, 20 mars 2012 - 08:38 .

[fchopin]

I have 3234 war assets is that enough points for Shepard to stay alive?

[Sesshaku]

Sunnyhat1 wrote...

Well this is disturbing.

WTF?...WTF ARE THEY READING? IGN?

I mean, seriously, how can you believe that the fans that "love the ending" are going to be pissed off if they actually GIVE US AN ENDING.

[Sunnyhat1]

chujwamdotego wrote...

reporting back to hold the line

sometimes You refer to "PAX"; what is it exactly ? (sorry for asking, but I'm not a native english speaker)

Penny Arcade Expo

[Deschi]

chujwamdotego wrote...

reporting back to hold the line

sometimes You refer to "PAX"; what is it exactly ? (sorry for asking, but I'm not a native english speaker)

Its a gaming convention.. http://east.paxsite.com/

[TamiBx]

Goikiu wrote...

Deschi wrote...

regarding if its minority which did not like the ending or a majority it would be so easy: make a poll via origin: just one vote per registered game, make the poll pop up automatically when you start the game and finsihed it ... et voilá!

I Play with my xbox .
I've an origin account too, however... don't remember ... all of us need to have a mass effect copy to post here? 

Yep, you definitely have it registered, or else you wouldn't be able to post here

[MordiMoro]

Sunnyhat1 wrote...

Well this is disturbing.

It seems the answer of a child ...

[Goikiu]

fchopin wrote...

I have 3234 war assets is that enough points for Shepard to stay alive?

You need at least 4000 EMS (saving anderson)
or 5000 EMS (if anderson dies)

[galaxidj]

fchopin wrote...

I have 3234 war assets is that enough points for Shepard to stay alive?

no, 4000 minimum, 5000 if you fail to "save" anderson

[Hydralysk]

TSC_1 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

IF they release a new/alternative ending, they are most likely going to release it as a DLC not as a patch, so people can just choose not to download it, since it's optional. They're not going to be dumb and release it as a patch; they are probably going to make it optional. 

Even if it is a patch, all they need to do is have a screen at the beginning of every new game:

Select the ending to Mass Effect 3

Original ending [  ]
New ending [  ]

Problem solved.

Or even better, just add a screen like before you go through the Omega 4 relay but before the illusive man's base. An "Are you sure?" message that pops up but also asks you which ending you'd like.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 20 mars 2012 - 08:42 .

[Cambios]

Sunnyhat1 wrote...

Well this is disturbing.

Hahahahaha.

Damage control based on fanboy butt kissing. Brilliant move there, Bioware.

Does the obvious elude them? All they have to do is add another plot path based on Shepard calling bull**** on the star kid, and that's the path that results in Shepard living, Citadel/Mass Relays intact, and reuiniting with his crew/LI for a cool epilogue.

This isn't rocket science.

[SpaRR]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

They are supposed to be making an announcement at PAX

A MP DLC ? "trollface" .

Modifié par SpaRR, 20 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[Xyalon]

fchopin wrote...

I have 3234 war assets is that enough points for Shepard to stay alive?

No. You need at least 4000.

Oh and if you want to live you can only go for Destroy.