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[DJBare]

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Keep it civil... and hold the line!

[Arokel]

deregen wrote...

Just when I thought Bioware couldn't disappoint me any more...

This Twitter stuff... Just wow...

First: That tweet is obviously an attempt to divert our attention off of them and onto... other gamers? Do they seriously think that we can't see through this? I do respect the fact that Bioware is being a responsible company by acknowledging ALL customer opinions, but to try to use that to turn us against each other is just silly. Which brings up my second point.

Second: I must go on record to say that everyone who paid to play this game has a right to their own opinion on this subject. Even if we don't agree with the fact that some people like the ending (I don't), their opinion is still valid and should be taken into consideration. HOWEVER! You can;t make everyone happy all of the time. My father taught me that a long time ago, and I have to assume that most, if not everyone here and in Bioware understands this fundamental fact of life as well. So I will throw a page of Bioware's own script right back in their faces.

What would Shepard do?

Bioware is now being faced with the same type of decision they have been giving us for the last 5 years. If they are really going to consider not changing the end based on the opinion of a (vast) minority, then are they really going to sacrifice the needs of many for the needs of a few? Or would they man up and make the tough choice? Will they do what they have been telling us all along is right? Will they sacrifice a few to save many?

Shepard sacrificed Kaiden (or Ashley) to save the entire crew.

Mordin sacrificed himself to save an entire species.

Shepard (presumably) sacrificed him/herself to save the entire galaxy.

Why should Bioware be any different?

I ask you again: What would Shepard do?

Paragon or Renegade is the choice BioWare.  There is no neutral.

[Mara Shep]

Yeah, stuff like this really doesn't help, especially when I try to explain to friends that we are explaining our dislike for the end as politely and coherently as possible.

I HATE being a called whiny, entitled, spoilt fan. There is only so many times I can repeat myself though and get shot down, it is like yelling into a blackhole.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Experimentel wrote...

....I thought video games were supposed to be changable art with DLC and patches. The point is to make their art perfect so you fix bugs and add new content. 

This coming from the concept artist/game designer student.

I agree with your sentiment and that's why I think it's a silly position to be in to say that the ending shouldn't be changed based on feedback.

Hell, even FILMS, an incredibly well-respected art medium, have been changed after test screenings.

And don't forget something like Snakes on a Plane, which was changed to an R-Rated film and had lines inserted because of fan reactions on the internet!

[VyseN1]

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

Pilzz wrote...

www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116427-BioShock-Creator-Sad-Over-ME3s-Ending-Scandal
What are your thoughts on this?

I think it is a silly article.
Yeah, silly.

Funny, since that guy sucked up to Sony big time at the last E3. After criticizing them, he was brought on stage and said how great Sony's stuff was. Just another guy willing to sell his soul.

[Xyalon]

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

Pilzz wrote...

www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116427-BioShock-Creator-Sad-Over-ME3s-Ending-Scandal
What are your thoughts on this?

I think it is a silly article.
Yeah, silly.

Yes. Because when Game devs start making games to feed their own artistic egos and without any thought for what the customers want, the game industry will collapse.

[WvStolzing]

Arokel wrote...

Who put this report out anyway?

Last time it was mentioned, I think it was in the 1980's.

[xxxccc]

Hydralysk wrote...

Sevantha wrote...

sadako wrote...

Sevantha wrote...
I know how you feel, but if we give in to our anger and rage at them, we will achieve what they want, because then they can claim that were are just raging little kids not to be taken serious. So we must remain calm and civil, no matter how hard it is.
If you want to rage you can always join the chat http://lugoentertain...3ending/#!/Chat

Err. kids? I think the median age for players of ME3 is quite high compared to other game genres,

I didn't mean that we are kids, but if you saw some of the earlier articles and videos on this issue, they have tried to make us into kids. I know we aren't. But if they can make us look like we are, its easier to dismiss us.

The media at large is still under the impression that gamers are almost all in their teens.

Maybe the media at large gets this impression, because most working adults don't spend days and days on a forum complaining about what ending they wanted for a fictional story. I don't want to make fun of you guys or say anything bad, but maybe you should stop pretending to be in some kind of "war" with Bioware. From an outside perspective, this topic doesn't make the company look bad, it makes you look a little bit sad. 

[Gi-Joe-Ge]

chosen_trekie wrote...

I think you should add a link for the ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread.

Will be done immediately! DJBare, I will send you the new template by PM.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Mara Shep wrote...

Yeah, stuff like this really doesn't help, especially when I try to explain to friends that we are explaining our dislike for the end as politely and coherently as possible.

I HATE being a called whiny, entitled, spoilt fan. There is only so many times I can repeat myself though and get shot down, it is like yelling into a blackhole.

Me too. I got pretty upset about it last night. I think a lot of us are having trouble sleeping and are generally in bad moods. Some of us may even be questioning how legitimate our feelings about the ending and our asking for a new one are.

Part of holding the line means holding it with your fellow soldiers/customers/fans, and I want to say you're not alone. We're in different countries, but I'm right by your side on all of this.

[silencemayday]

Cybermortis wrote...

Pilzz wrote...

www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116427-BioShock-Creator-Sad-Over-ME3s-Ending-Scandal
What are your thoughts on this?

Its the same old 'art' argument that has been pointed out as garbage more than once.

The core issue is that this is a product that is NOT what we were told it would be at the end. Indeed, the ending is exactly what they told us it wouldn't be.

i'm getting rather sick of the art argument.

grew up with two artists as parents and had to learn early enough that 'this is art, they just don't understand' is not a viable excuse when your teachers fail you because you rushed through your final exams before summer by not finishing the most important sentences, contradicting yourself as you went along and copied half of it from your neighbor. 

[wantedman dan]

Xyalon wrote...

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

Pilzz wrote...

www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116427-BioShock-Creator-Sad-Over-ME3s-Ending-Scandal
What are your thoughts on this?

I think it is a silly article.
Yeah, silly.

Yes. Because when Game devs start making games to feed their own artistic egos and without any thought for what the customers want, the game industry will collapse.

Absolutely agree.

[TamiBx]

Trzeb wrote...

hgrant202 wrote...

Wow, just overheard a group of co-workers ****ing about the ending and planning to return their copies en-mass. I can't think I have ever heard any gaming talk in the office ever. Didn't even notice the talk until I heard "it was the same damn ending, all they did was change the colors" followed by expletives.

These aren't the kind of folks to hang out in forums, or vote on FB polls. We're talking a bunch of 40 year old white collar guys.

I wish that the rest of the world would do away with this notion that gamers are all young teenagers. Games are just another form of media like movies, music, etc. but no one questions people who partake in those forms of entertainmen. Didn't rock and roll go through a lot of the same scrutiny when it first debuted? History is just repeating itself.

I agree. Plus it's rated M, so technically that should tell you that most gamers are (or at least should be) over 17. There goes the majority of teen years. 

Most people would say that the rating doesn't really matter, but not every parent will let their 13 yr old son/daughter play DA:O, for example. 

[Sesshaku]

Benirus wrote...

Puppet_Guy wrote...

Benirus wrote...

Lol, I actually feel sorry for the guy.

He's probably been handed a big sheet covering what he can say or what he has to say regardless of own opinion.
Be nice to the poor chap

Makes me wonder what's going on with the team that made ME3...  Or the voice actors, for that matter.  How many of them looked at the ending and wondered/said "This?  Really?"

I know Kinda sad to think about, it's a shame they can't comment on the matter... However, there are unconfirmed rumors going about that Mr. Sheen was the one that donated 10k for the charity.

Let's hope there is a second line at Bioware HQ.

Hold the line!

I doubt that, but it would be awesome. The Illusive Man FTW.

[Benirus]

Hydralysk wrote...

Sevantha wrote...

sadako wrote...

Sevantha wrote...
I know how you feel, but if we give in to our anger and rage at them, we will achieve what they want, because then they can claim that were are just raging little kids not to be taken serious. So we must remain calm and civil, no matter how hard it is.
If you want to rage you can always join the chat http://lugoentertain...3ending/#!/Chat

Err. kids? I think the median age for players of ME3 is quite high compared to other game genres,

I didn't mean that we are kids, but if you saw some of the earlier articles and videos on this issue, they have tried to make us into kids. I know we aren't. But if they can make us look like we are, its easier to dismiss us.

The media at large is still under the impression that gamers are almost all in their teens.

Didn't you see the CNN video on the ending? They had a short segment after the story about how the average age of gamers was actually 30 ish I think.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Xyalon wrote...

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

Pilzz wrote...

www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116427-BioShock-Creator-Sad-Over-ME3s-Ending-Scandal
What are your thoughts on this?

I think it is a silly article.
Yeah, silly.

Yes. Because when Game devs start making games to feed their own artistic egos and without any thought for what the customers want, the game industry will collapse.

Or you'll end up with every game becoming The Cat and the Coup.

[Computim]

Pilzz wrote...

www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116427-BioShock-Creator-Sad-Over-ME3s-Ending-Scandal
What are your thoughts on this?

If that were the case they really shouldn't have touched their Mass Effect novels written by the third party author.  I might actually buy the argument if they didn't feel that the ME Novels had enough continuity problems and plot holes to warrant a strong apology and rewrite lol.

[Experimentel]

silencemayday wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

Pilzz wrote...

www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116427-BioShock-Creator-Sad-Over-ME3s-Ending-Scandal
What are your thoughts on this?

Its the same old 'art' argument that has been pointed out as garbage more than once.

The core issue is that this is a product that is NOT what we were told it would be at the end. Indeed, the ending is exactly what they told us it wouldn't be.

i'm getting rather sick of the art argument.

grew up with two artists as parents and had to learn early enough that 'this is art, they just don't understand' is not a viable excuse when your teachers fail you because you rushed through your final exams before summer by not finishing the most important sentences, contradicting yourself as you went along and copied half of it from your neighbor. 

I'm going into the concept art/game designer industry - the whole point of art is to improve through critque and the glory of video games is that they are changable. Through DLC and patches, you refine the art to become more perfect. There's nothing wrong with changing art to fit a better feedback.

[DJBare]

Mara Shep wrote...
I HATE being a called whiny, entitled, spoilt fan. There is only so many times I can repeat myself though and get shot down, it is like yelling into a blackhole.

Sticks and stones my friend, I remind myself there is a keyboard, monitor and internet between me and the ones calling names.

[Conspicuous Cake]

Everyone!
Let's remember to keep on being civil.

I know our feeling are hurt, but we want to be taken seriously.
That's why we have to behave.
And also remember not to bash anyone, ok?

And keep on holding the line!

[Auralius Carolus]

Damien Nightwind wrote...

Oh well, if Bioware chooses not to correct this mistake it's their problem not ours. There are alot of game companies that we can take our business to instead. I've seen alot of people who have said they wont buy from Bioware ever again if the ending isnt fixed, and others who state that they will only buy the games when they are in the bargain bin.

CDProjekt RED is making shockwaves in the world. Action plus effective Role-Playing, and darn good work cleaning up any mess on launch, as well as providing impressive free DLC content.

What don't they have? Tali

Modifié par Auralius Carolus, 20 mars 2012 - 09:51 .

[ArmyKnifeX]

Oh wonderful.

BW is unable to release a statement about when they can release a statement. They won't even tell us when they can talk about the ending. It had better be by PAX East. I think that might be kinda a  hard limit... at least, that's the limit for me before I swear off of BW games forever.
https://twitter.com/...221606976888832

[KaiserinKai]

Denethar wrote...

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@ We're listening to all.Wether you love the game hate the end,hate the game love the end, love your mother but she hates the ending


Has the Twitter guy cracked under the pressure or something?

...Wow, we broke the twitter guy/bot :innocent:

[Mara Shep]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Mara Shep wrote...

Yeah, stuff like this really doesn't help, especially when I try to explain to friends that we are explaining our dislike for the end as politely and coherently as possible.

I HATE being a called whiny, entitled, spoilt fan. There is only so many times I can repeat myself though and get shot down, it is like yelling into a blackhole.

Me too. I got pretty upset about it last night. I think a lot of us are having trouble sleeping and are generally in bad moods. Some of us may even be questioning how legitimate our feelings about the ending and our asking for a new one are.

Part of holding the line means holding it with your fellow soldiers/customers/fans, and I want to say you're not alone. We're in different countries, but I'm right by your side on all of this.

Thanks, when I feel my resolve cracking, it is posts like that that help.  I think that is the trouble, when people argue their way into trying to get you to think that maybe, we were wrong after all and that the ending was ok...
I wish it was just through a screen, but some people I know in real life are not seeing my side and calling me entitled, and that is what hurts even more.

But then I give myself a shake, come on here, and am like.  YES.  WE, deserve better, MASS EFFECT deserves better, SHEPARD deserves better. 

Modifié par Mara Shep, 20 mars 2012 - 09:52 .

[Experimentel]

DJBare wrote...

Mara Shep wrote...
I HATE being a called whiny, entitled, spoilt fan. There is only so many times I can repeat myself though and get shot down, it is like yelling into a blackhole.

Sticks and stones my friend, I remind myself there is a keyboard, monitor and internet between me and the ones calling names.

Also there are many trolls on the internet. Also the bandwagon effect. Also people seem to lose intelligence on the internet sometimes like any given Youtube comment. 

However, that is their opnion and if that's what they think, it's what they think. You just go, I'm proud of what I'm doing, hold your head high and close the tab window.

Modifié par Experimentel, 20 mars 2012 - 09:51 .