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[BurntOrangeMan]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would pay for Happy Ending DLC. No joke.

For me its not happy or sad. I would be ok if some of my squadmates died or I did because that would make me want to go back and play it all over again, but the endings we got are way to similar for me to care right now. I want an ending that makes sense and isn't so similar rather than what we got

[Cybermortis]

Lets keep things civil, both here and on twitter.

Bare in mind that the peeps on Twitter probably have less idea of what is going on at BW than we do. They have been thrown to the front lines, coming under heavy and sustained fire with little or no support from 'high command'.

Hardly surprising if they make typo's from time to time.

Let's not hassle the twitter feed unless there is a specific point that needs to be clarified or addressed. Apart from anything else they would just block up, and could get you banned from twitter entirely.

[WvStolzing]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...
BW is unable to release a statement about when they can release a statement. They won't even tell us when they can talk about the ending. It had better be by PAX East.

Is that PAX thing going to take place before amazon's return period ends?

[ajunta_]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Denethar wrote...

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@ We're listening to all.Wether you love the game hate the end,hate the game love the end, love your mother but she hates the ending


Has the Twitter guy cracked under the pressure or something?

...Wow, we broke the twitter guy/bot :innocent:

This unit does have a soul!

[ArmyKnifeX]

Mara Shep wrote...

Thanks, when I feel my resolve cracking, it is posts like that that help.  I think that is the trouble, when people argue their way into trying to get you to think that maybe, we were wrong after all and that the ending was ok...

But then I give myself a shake, come on here, and am like.  YES.  WE, deserve better, MASS EFFECT deserves better, SHEPARD deserves better. 

You're very welcome  It helps my resolve as well. And if you UK fleet people could record statements like the one you just posted, it'd be incredibly reassuring to all us Americans. We do have quite the (jealous) love for English accents.

[Benirus]

Cybermortis wrote...

Lets keep things civil, both here and on twitter.

Bare in mind that the peeps on Twitter probably have less idea of what is going on at BW than we do. They have been thrown to the front lines, coming under heavy and sustained fire with little or no support from 'high command'.

Hardly surprising if they make typo's from time to time.

Let's not hassle the twitter feed unless there is a specific point that needs to be clarified or addressed. Apart from anything else they would just block up, and could get you banned from twitter entirely.

^This.

This is what we call a "sacrificial theme" Bioware *oh snap!*

[Computim]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Denethar wrote...

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@ We're listening to all.Wether you love the game hate the end,hate the game love the end, love your mother but she hates the ending


Has the Twitter guy cracked under the pressure or something?

...Wow, we broke the twitter guy/bot :innocent:

ROFL it's not a bot, it's just a bunch of PR guys with different personalities that man a singular account.  Even Jessica admitted that a few days back.  Though it probably is manned by rEAper indoctrinated.... so I guess technically it might be a bot... in that sense.

[yoshibb]

Another thing is movie studios use test audiences all the time and use their reactions to change parts of the storyline. So their art is effected by the audience. Your audience is a major part of your art in the entertainment industry.

You cannot call it art like a painting because it's sold as a product and it's advertised with specific details.

[Puppet_Guy]

DJBare wrote...

Mara Shep wrote...
I HATE being a called whiny, entitled, spoilt fan. There is only so many times I can repeat myself though and get shot down, it is like yelling into a blackhole.

Sticks and stones my friend, I remind myself there is a keyboard, monitor and internet between me and the ones calling names.

"Entitled whiners".  A label created by opposers to give voice to those who break their logic.  In the end, it does not matter.
We are Leigon.  And long after they peter out and give up trying to dissuade us, we will endure.

Hold the line.

[TamiBx]

BurntOrangeMan wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would pay for Happy Ending DLC. No joke.

For me its not happy or sad. I would be ok if some of my squadmates died or I did because that would make me want to go back and play it all over again, but the endings we got are way to similar for me to care right now. I want an ending that makes sense and isn't so similar rather than what we got

I think that if they re do the ending, they will include a happy one. Because most people would like to have they choice (not that they will pick it) to live or die. 

[BigglesFlysAgain]

WvStolzing wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...
BW is unable to release a statement about when they can release a statement. They won't even tell us when they can talk about the ending. It had better be by PAX East.

Is that PAX thing going to take place before amazon's return period ends?

Penny arcade expo 6-8th of april

[K-J4y]

I admit, I thought about the endings a lot.
It isn't that bad in my opinion. What if the endings are actually perfect made? I mean, when the endings reflect all the experience, gathered in the whole series. With every choise possible in mind.
It was stated that when you take your experience of the game into the final scenes, that this becomes your very own conclusion.
This is maybe possible, I mean if you know every single aspect of your game, every outcome of choise you are possible to make, no matter what attitude you might have. Even then it's way too comprehensive for my little mind.
So to get to the point, the way how possible endings would look like is immense and perhaps too much work to finish in time.

I thought.... of, well actually this keeps me busy for a long time, maybe Shepard has to die. Well, I'm okay with that, and even if BioWare had only one possible end, that would also be okay. But what if the players would be forced to let Shepard die? Like: you got the choise to save your live and fight another day and everything you love will be destroyed or sacrifice yourself in order to save the people you love.
That could touch people emotional. Making difficult decisions is always epic. I think of the event on Virmire, to chose who has to die and who can live on.

I'd rather cry my last tear in the end than asking myself questions again and again, on what the endings basically mean.
Anyways, the tale is written and my mind is just to simple to comprehend. Sadly. 

[Iucounou]

Well, after several days of thought and reading the comments of others, I am increasingly convinced that this has all been a marketing exercise that has gone horribly wrong for Bioware.

I stress this is only a theory. It is all speculation. But that is what they wanted, isn't it? But I cannot for the life of
me see why they would promise so much and then deliver so little. Not unless they had already completed the endings we all wanted and then decided to remove them from the game so that they could charge for them later.

I have no proof of this, as I have stated before, but my gut tells me this is correct.

Of course, if true, they are now in the impossible situation of having lied to the fans and have no way to wiggle out of it.

They could say "Hey, we had planned this all along, but we never intended to charge you for it. Here it is!" and give it
away for free. I'd be happy with that, but wary of them in future.

They could tell us they are working on an ending DLC, then sit on it for 6 months and release it for a few dollars/pounds etc. But, at this stage, although welcome, I feel I would have moved on from ME3 so wouldn't buy it anyway.

The worst case scenario is if they said "Hey! Here's the DLC, that'll be $10 please." in a few days time. I think that won't happen, because it would be a corporate suicide run that would make the ending of ME2 look like a picnic.

They could also say that they hadn't quite finished the ending and EA was breathing down their necks to release the game, so they added the starchild in at a convenient point to "make do" until they had finished the endings.

I do feel a little sorry for them. They worked so very hard on this and, if I'm right, simply made (or were forced into) a marketing strategy that has backfired beyond anything they could have envisaged. I would like to have been at the meeting that decided upon this strategy, just to see if anyone actually said the line "What's the worst that could happen?"

How they extricate themselves from this situation will be fascinating to watch. I bear the company no real malice. They have produced some fantastic games over the years. But they, and other companies out there, need to stop obsessing about maximising profits and squeezing every last penny out of the fanbase.

I've long thought that "Ending DLC" was on the cards. That some gaming company would come up with this idea and then try it out. Prince of Persia, anyone? But I thought it would be in the form of alternate endings to an already complete game. I didn't think it would be in the form (as I think has occurred here) of simply hacking the end of a game out and coding in a temporary and shoddy ending (or a good one, if you believe the indoctrination theory).

I didn't think any company would be that naive. If you look at the Amazon ratings, this has to have hurt sales. More than that, if this was all a gimmick, if we have been made to look like fools for organising this protest, how would that make you feel when you realise it? Pretty low, I would think. People have invested a metric crap-ton of time, money and effort into doing the Retake movement. If it all proves to have been a giant waste of our time, I for one will be very displeased with Bioware.

And what of those who bought the game and ARE happy with the ending? They too, will realise that they have been fooled. That the game they thought completed is not finished. That they have been made to look like prize chumps for standing up for what might well be nothing more than a dream sequence. That they, like us, have bought an incomplete game and may well be asked to pay to complete it.

Of course, my thoughts are just that. Mine. They may be entirely incorrect. In fact, I  hope I am wrong. Because if I am
right about this, then it simply tells me that Bioware have no respect for me, or anyone else that buys their products. They sold me an incomplete game, then let me think it was complete when I got to the end and voiced my displeasure. Finally, they think to charge me for the rest of the game. A game they led me to believe was complete before I purchased it.

I say these things not to convince others I am right, but just to vent a little, and maybe make everyone think a little more about the possible reasons behind this whole mess. Everyone has just assumed that Bioware made a crappy ending. I don't believe that. I think it's deeper than that. The whole thing smells like week-old Krogan underpants left out in the sun too long. It stinks, and I think we have all been played.

I may be right. I may be wrong.I may be partly correct.

It's all speculation.

But whichever of those three is correct, much like the game's ending itself, there has been an explosion, and people have been hurt by it all.

And that cannot be undone, no matter what they do.

[Teleraine]

I would pay for any ending DLC that let me choose whether I got a sad or happy or bitter-sweet ending just so long as it isn't a soul crushingly depressing one.

...But just them blue babies...Cant't say why but I really really want them.

Modifié par Teleraine, 20 mars 2012 - 09:54 .

[Auralius Carolus]

Cybermortis wrote...

Lets keep things civil, both here and on twitter.

Bare in mind that the peeps on Twitter probably have less idea of what is going on at BW than we do. They have been thrown to the front lines, coming under heavy and sustained fire with little or no support from 'high command'.

Hardly surprising if they make typo's from time to time.

Let's not hassle the twitter feed unless there is a specific point that needs to be clarified or addressed. Apart from anything else they would just block up, and could get you banned from twitter entirely.

There's something deep down within the human psyche that makes men like to poke things with sticks. Twitter reps, those British guards with the funny hats, sasquatch, grizzly bears... sometimes you just have to tempt fate.

Modifié par Auralius Carolus, 20 mars 2012 - 09:56 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Did I miss an organized attack on the masseffect twitter or something? Looks like its going nuts with all the feedback hah.

[ld1449]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

You know guys I'm honestly a little worried that some of the flamier posts on Twitter and these boards as well as others are the result of EA going behind BioWare's back and hiring out people to be inflammatory.

Remember that this is the same company whose marketing division hired FAKE PROTESTORS to pretend to be religious and pissed off about the game Dante's Inferno.

If this is true then we're in some serious trouble, and everyone here needs to get on the ball with this and tell them that these people are not us. Go further even and tell the reviewers that are being antagonistic to "calm down" and expressly state that you're in the ME3 movement and that you do not support his/her way of carrying the message

[KaiserinKai]

fchopin wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I have 3234 war assets is that enough points for Shepard to stay alive?

You need at least 4000 EMS (saving anderson)
or 5000 EMS (if anderson dies)

There are no more EMS points so i can not get the ending i want.

ME3 biggest problems:
Problem #1: SPACE MAGIC 
Problem #2: EMS without multiplayer

Ok, thank you for the info everyone, i will just finish the game for now and wait for the bug to be fixed.

Really to fix #2 all they would have to do is up the default galactic readiness percentage without multiplayer from 50% to something higher...

[Cybermortis]

WvStolzing wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...
BW is unable to release a statement about when they can release a statement. They won't even tell us when they can talk about the ending. It had better be by PAX East.

Is that PAX thing going to take place before amazon's return period ends?

PAX is on the 6th April. Bioware will be there and it is well known that they were intending to make some statement about ME3 there. This is from before the call for a new ending started btw.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Puppet_Guy wrote...

"Entitled whiners".  A label created by opposers to give voice to those who break their logic.  In the end, it does not matter.
We are Leigon.  And long after they peter out and give up trying to dissuade us, we will endure.

Hold the line.

Huh. You just made me realize something pretty profound. I'm a skeptic and marginally invovled with that movement as well. One of the things people who strongly believe in stuff like Complimentary and Alternative Medicine (CAM), conspiracy theories, space aliens, etc. do when you present sound, reasoned logic to them is to immediately construct a straw man of who you are and start bashing the straw man.

They'll do things like say you're obviously bought out by Big Pharma, or you're just buying in to corporate lies, believing everything the government says, etc. It's an incredibly similar dilemma to what we're witnessing here: the construction of a straw man when sound world views conflict with unsound ones in an attempt to shame the first group into silence.

It doesn't work on the Skeptics, and we shouldn't let it work on us.

[J.Random]

Pilzz wrote...
www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116427-BioShock-Creator-Sad-Over-ME3s-Ending-Scandal
What are your thoughts on this?

I think we didn't get that "statement" from author of this "artwork" mentioned in the article yet. When they release such a statement - straight yes/no/FU - than we'll see.

Modifié par J.Random, 20 mars 2012 - 10:03 .

[Benirus]

K-J4y wrote...

I admit, I thought about the endings a lot.
It isn't that bad in my opinion. What if the endings are actually perfect made? I mean, when the endings reflect all the experience, gathered in the whole series. With every choise possible in mind.
It was stated that when you take your experience of the game into the final scenes, that this becomes your very own conclusion.
This is maybe possible, I mean if you know every single aspect of your game, every outcome of choise you are possible to make, no matter what attitude you might have. Even then it's way too comprehensive for my little mind.
So to get to the point, the way how possible endings would look like is immense and perhaps too much work to finish in time.

I thought.... of, well actually this keeps me busy for a long time, maybe Shepard has to die. Well, I'm okay with that, and even if BioWare had only one possible end, that would also be okay. But what if the players would be forced to let Shepard die? Like: you got the choise to save your live and fight another day and everything you love will be destroyed or sacrifice yourself in order to save the people you love.
That could touch people emotional. Making difficult decisions is always epic. I think of the event on Virmire, to chose who has to die and who can live on.

I'd rather cry my last tear in the end than asking myself questions again and again, on what the endings basically mean.
Anyways, the tale is written and my mind is just to simple to comprehend. Sadly. 

You're mind isn't to simple to comprehend, it's the damn ending that simply cannot be comprehended.

Doesn't matter if it's from a business standpoint, art standpoint, logical standpoint or desperate standpoint.

[Pandoravv3]

Benirus wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Sevantha wrote...

sadako wrote...

Sevantha wrote...
I know how you feel, but if we give in to our anger and rage at them, we will achieve what they want, because then they can claim that were are just raging little kids not to be taken serious. So we must remain calm and civil, no matter how hard it is.
If you want to rage you can always join the chat http://lugoentertain...3ending/#!/Chat

Err. kids? I think the median age for players of ME3 is quite high compared to other game genres,

I didn't mean that we are kids, but if you saw some of the earlier articles and videos on this issue, they have tried to make us into kids. I know we aren't. But if they can make us look like we are, its easier to dismiss us.

The media at large is still under the impression that gamers are almost all in their teens.

Didn't you see the CNN video on the ending? They had a short segment after the story about how the average age of gamers was actually 30 ish I think.

Honestly, I thought the CNN segment was a little insulting. Not only did they say that BW was changing the ending, and the controversy was wrapped up, the newswoman seemed to be quite snarky about it. It felt like she was looking down her nose at us "entitled kids"

[ArmyKnifeX]

ld1449 wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

You know guys I'm honestly a little worried that some of the flamier posts on Twitter and these boards as well as others are the result of EA going behind BioWare's back and hiring out people to be inflammatory.

Remember that this is the same company whose marketing division hired FAKE PROTESTORS to pretend to be religious and pissed off about the game Dante's Inferno.

If this is true then we're in some serious trouble, and everyone here needs to get on the ball with this and tell them that these people are not us. Go further even and tell the reviewers that are being antagonistic to "calm down" and expressly state that you're in the ME3 movement and that you do not support his/her way of carrying the message

This is why I've been so vehemently against people expressing their outrage outragously. We NEED to be civil and calm. It makes identifying anybody who could be fake from those of us who aren't. And when we talk to these people to try to calm them down we need to remain civil ourselves.

[TamiBx]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Really to fix #2 all they would have to do is up the default galactic readiness percentage without multiplayer from 50% to something higher...

Or reduce the amount of EMS needed to trig that scene. It's a little patch that would make a lot of people happy...oh, Bioware...<_<