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[galaxidj]

SiriusXI wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

So the https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect does in fact get A LOT of positive feedback on the endings. Are there really so many people who just twitter and do not take part in polls? Man... I feel sick... How can anyone like these things?

One annoying thing about Twitter: people tweet nice things so they can replies. <_<

Yeah, I don't really use twitter and don't know how it works... but from what I get the messages only appear if they answer to your tweet? That makes sense then. They can actually control how much positive and negative feedback is shown so it seems there is 60% positive and 40% negative feedback on the endings...

no they managed to increase the 10% "like ending" communty to 90% on twitter, and reduce the 90% "Dislike ending" to 10% on twitter

[Geinen]

Puppet_Guy wrote...

Sure...  If I only knew how to get a screen capture of my Shepard.  <_<  If it was on Steam that wouldn't be a problem...  Gah.

...I used a camera..lool I looked like fool doing it =P

[Computim]

K-J4y wrote...

That sounds kinda rough.
I mean there should be some idea behind the scen shouldn't it?
Even EA wouldn't publish an unfinished game... or maybe yes... what do I know?!

They already admitted they switched the endings from basically the indoctrination one in the Final Hours stuff.  Sadly it happens all the time.. even Halo had to cut stuff from the 3rd game, mind you they knew enough, because their project management team was absolutely incredible, in advance they were able to salvage it so most people don't even know WHAT they cut.

Microsoft's testing division is world class.. I suspect Bioware's is too.. just watch, I think it's Halo 2's special edition disc.  They go into some of it.  Basically build testing over night and fixing stuff the next day.. it's nuts.. I wish I had their stuff at work haha, all I have are unit tests and guinea pigs.. who are usually end users  haha.

ALL game studios are under pressure to get as much as they can on disc.. the rank and file don't want to release a half released game.  It's usually management who says "Ok we need to do this".  In this case I suspect Casey Hudson and the leads were directed by EA to "Release this on this date or you will pay penalties or suffer the curse of the fleas of a thousand camels.. or something"  I just suspect there was pressure from the parent company.. the studio obviously knew they were not going to have the time, it's why they started buying stock photos.  So they pushed it right up to the end to do that, unfortunately it shows in this case.. it DOES happen.. however, this day in age, Bioware can make it right.. whether or not they do is a different story.  Sometimes companies get away with it, sometimes they don't.. this time they didn't.  Instead of becoming the game that bombed because of the ending, they could fix it now.. I'd take that as a gift, not a slap at their 'art'...

Not to mention if you're going to call it art now you really shouldn't have 'fixed' someone's novels hahaha.  Though I think that move was as deserved as changing the ending to ME3 too.. 90% of software is only finished when the next version comes out, most GAMES are the same way, just look at the bug/content fixes... look at MMOs.. they should be used to this by now.. especially with MMOs and how often they update content/story/gameplay...

[Sevantha]

Geinen wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

So the https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect does in fact get A LOT of positive feedback on the endings. Are there really so many people who just twitter and do not take part in polls? Man... I feel sick... How can anyone like these things?

That's not necessarily true. It just means they're selecting who exactly they're responding to.

THIS.  We've seen them be selective already with comments.

Yea they only really reply to the "nice" postings. IF they respont to something else, its often just thank you for your feedback, what did you like about the game, which I assume is simply a bot. and then there is someone sitting there picking the nice tweets to answer them so they look good.

[Doppelgaenger]

wantedman dan wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

*snip*

....

I have no words.

http://www.joystiq.c...est-was-staged/

Really, EA?  Really?

Holy sh*t. What company does this?

DAFUQ? How... What .... I ... WHAT is this ***?
Really?

That is just *insert Shepards priceless pic of being speechless*

[Stygian1]

Corrik Ronis wrote...

Hope we hear something soon.

Hold the line.

You and me both.


Hold the Line, we might be in this for awhile yet. 

[Puppet_Guy]

Geinen wrote...

Puppet_Guy wrote...

Sure...  If I only knew how to get a screen capture of my Shepard.  <_<  If it was on Steam that wouldn't be a problem...  Gah.

...I used a camera..lool I looked like fool doing it =P

Aw, see, when I try to do that, I get a really unpleasent screen glare.

[wantedman dan]

Geinen wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

So the https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect does in fact get A LOT of positive feedback on the endings. Are there really so many people who just twitter and do not take part in polls? Man... I feel sick... How can anyone like these things?

That's not necessarily true. It just means they're selecting who exactly they're responding to.

THIS.  We've seen them be selective already with comments.

I'm more concerned with how the already proven--imo, of course--inept twitter/facebook people are catering to these responses. They're far more thrilled to deal with people who reflect positively on the ending.

[Experimentel]

Puppet_Guy wrote...

Experimentel wrote...

Hmm... Thinking about doing a sketch with a bunch of different fan Shepards. Anyone want to lend me their character here or on deviantart?

Say at the bottom: We deserve better than this.

Sure...  If I only knew how to get a screen capture of my Shepard.  <_<  If it was on Steam that wouldn't be a problem...  Gah.

Origon screen capture is weird.

[K-J4y]

Benirus wrote...

K-J4y wrote...

That sounds kinda rough.
I mean there should be some idea behind the scen shouldn't it?
Even EA wouldn't publish an unfinished game... or maybe yes... what do I know?!

Lot's of speculation from everyone

No, but seriusly the only thing I can accept as a possible solution is that they needed more time, but EA was behind them with a pitchfork.

Damn rEApers...

Gi-Joe-Ge wrote...

K-J4y wrote...

I admit, I thought about the endings a lot.
It isn't that bad in my opinion. What if the endings are actually perfect made?
(...)

This doesn't explain plot holes or teleporting squad members.

I think the ending that we are seeing is the result of rush, rush development to be ready for March release; unless indoctrination theory turns out to be true. 

And what if BioWare forced this end? I mean when some of EA CEO's asked them if this endings are too strange/weird/odd? And if BioWare should reconsider these conclusion? But BioWare came out on top of the negotiations. The only therm I guess from EA was to finish the game in time to schedule.
Could be possible.
I don't want to assume anything what I can't proof, but this scenario is also possible.

[Xyalon]

wantedman dan wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

You know guys I'm honestly a little worried that some of the flamier posts on Twitter and these boards as well as others are the result of EA going behind BioWare's back and hiring out people to be inflammatory.

Remember that this is the same company whose marketing division hired FAKE PROTESTORS to pretend to be religious and pissed off about the game Dante's Inferno.

....

I have no words.

http://www.joystiq.c...est-was-staged/

Really, EA?  Really?

Holy sh*t. What company does this?

Although EA bears the blame for hiring them and okaying the idea, we have to remember that most of the people in Advertising are soulless, somewhere a little further down the evolutionary chain than blue-green algae. There are some exceptions of course, I was in fact amazed to find an Advertisin Exec with a soul today on this very same thread.

[IndustrializedTaco]

Experimentel wrote...

Hmm... Thinking about doing a sketch with a bunch of different fan Shepards. Anyone want to lend me their character here or on deviantart?

Say at the bottom: We deserve better than this.

My Shepard is on Xbox so is it cool if I give a cell phone picture?

[mCorfe]

Even a simple post from BW, here in this thread would mean a lot. Something written by a human not a machine or PR-cyborg. Simple words. Is that so hard to talk to your own fans and customers Bioware?

Hold The Line!

[Auralius Carolus]

The Southside Branch of the Virginia Militia is experiencing technical difficulties... electrical strom, inbound. Will *static*. Need quantum entanglers!

[Cybermortis]

Puppet_Guy wrote...

Sure...  If I only knew how to get a screen capture of my Shepard.  <_<  If it was on Steam that wouldn't be a problem...  Gah.

On the PC its 'Print Screen'

[Geinen]

Puppet_Guy wrote...

Aw, see, when I try to do that, I get a really unpleasent screen glare.

Huh, and you have the flash turned off?  Because thatll mess it up.  I used my phone and it came out just fine.

[Experimentel]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Experimentel wrote...

Hmm... Thinking about doing a sketch with a bunch of different fan Shepards. Anyone want to lend me their character here or on deviantart?

Say at the bottom: We deserve better than this.

My Shepard is on Xbox so is it cool if I give a cell phone picture?

Send me a PM! That works fine. Also, since I'm sure some people dislike hair, you can give me different hair suggestions too. Just send me a reference. And your class.

[Puppet_Guy]

Experimentel wrote...

Puppet_Guy wrote...

Experimentel wrote...

Hmm... Thinking about doing a sketch with a bunch of different fan Shepards. Anyone want to lend me their character here or on deviantart?

Say at the bottom: We deserve better than this.

Sure...  If I only knew how to get a screen capture of my Shepard.  <_<  If it was on Steam that wouldn't be a problem...  Gah.

Origon screen capture is weird.

Is there even one at all??

[MeldarthX]

galaxidj wrote...

A gameprogram here in the Netherlands called "Gamekings" does not approve of what we do here.
I used to like them, now they blow -.-"

Write them with evidence - and turn them from an enemy to an Ali.......


HOLD THE LINE

[Pilzz]

Doppelgaenger wrote...

Pilzz wrote...

www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116427-BioShock-Creator-Sad-Over-ME3s-Ending-Scandal
What are your thoughts on this?

This:

There is subjectively bad and objectively bad. The outcry in the Bioware forum is: MAKE IT GO AWAY. Some 50,000 people in the forums (the amount of people who support bioware on this is about 300-400) want not x, or y, or z changed or implemented, they want anything BUT this ending.

Bioware failed not only in storytelling 101 (http://​social.biowa...dex/10022779/​1) but also in the core feature of their product: interactivity.

What means interactive Storytelling? Are there basic principles? Yes they look like this:

"Acommodate Player expectations: It's their game too, remember. You have to have some kind of idea what type of game the players want to play.", "Don't forget the payoff: If the players work hard and make smart decisions, their characters' success must be in proportion of the challenges they have faced, or they will feel cheated.", and "Don't abuse your power: You are the final arbiter of events. Your word is law, but you can not use this authority to beat the characters into what you want them to do."

The same thing goes for Mass Effect 3. It is an interactive storytelling experience. The player is Commander Shepard. When the Bioware team forces Shepard into the "god Child" choices they betray everything outlined above. they force you (!) into their (!) conclusion and deny them any payoff (!). This does not mean that the artists are not crafting the story but this is interactive! That needs to be taken into account. You can not make this interactive and then start to railroad it. Bioware choose to make this "interactive" even ADVERTISED WITH IT. (And did a darn good job with ME, ME2 and 95% of ME3) But they dropped the ball with this so hard its not funny.

There is emotional investment here that needs to be treated carefully. If you ever did a pen & paper session you know that. And ME 3 is more like Roleplaying (and I don't mean that grinding bull***) than like tetris.

Read this: http://​www.themetag...blem-with.html.

And maybe you will understand what this frustration is about.

And to everybody that has not played the game: With all due respect but you have NO CLUE what is going on here.

Thank you. I've read that specific article about our frustration myself, and it perfectly expressed my feelings at the end of ME3.. Since English ins't my native language, I was'nt able to present the first link with such fine and short arguments you just wrote, which perfecly fits my own.

Count me aboard and HOLDING THE LINE

[Xyalon]

Experimentel wrote...

Hmm... Thinking about doing a sketch with a bunch of different fan Shepards. Anyone want to lend me their character here or on deviantart?

Say at the bottom: We deserve better than this.

I can't give you a Shepard, yet, as on Xbox. I can, however, give you a picture of how my Grey Warden looked after he finished Mass Effect 3 right here.

[Teleraine]

I might be tired but I tend to think more of Djbare cos he has a Sean Connery avatar...it just seems to fit

[Deschi]

Even EA wouldn't publish an unfinished game... or maybe yes... what do I know?!

Any other RPG veterans remember Westwood's "LANDS OF LORE 3" produced under EA... do i have to say more?

Modifié par Deschi, 20 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[Experimentel]

Pilzz wrote...

Doppelgaenger wrote...

Pilzz wrote...

www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116427-BioShock-Creator-Sad-Over-ME3s-Ending-Scandal
What are your thoughts on this?

This:

There is subjectively bad and objectively bad. The outcry in the Bioware forum is: MAKE IT GO AWAY. Some 50,000 people in the forums (the amount of people who support bioware on this is about 300-400) want not x, or y, or z changed or implemented, they want anything BUT this ending.

Bioware failed not only in storytelling 101 (http://​social.biowa...dex/10022779/​1) but also in the core feature of their product: interactivity.

What means interactive Storytelling? Are there basic principles? Yes they look like this:

"Acommodate Player expectations: It's their game too, remember. You have to have some kind of idea what type of game the players want to play.", "Don't forget the payoff: If the players work hard and make smart decisions, their characters' success must be in proportion of the challenges they have faced, or they will feel cheated.", and "Don't abuse your power: You are the final arbiter of events. Your word is law, but you can not use this authority to beat the characters into what you want them to do."

The same thing goes for Mass Effect 3. It is an interactive storytelling experience. The player is Commander Shepard. When the Bioware team forces Shepard into the "god Child" choices they betray everything outlined above. they force you (!) into their (!) conclusion and deny them any payoff (!). This does not mean that the artists are not crafting the story but this is interactive! That needs to be taken into account. You can not make this interactive and then start to railroad it. Bioware choose to make this "interactive" even ADVERTISED WITH IT. (And did a darn good job with ME, ME2 and 95% of ME3) But they dropped the ball with this so hard its not funny.

There is emotional investment here that needs to be treated carefully. If you ever did a pen & paper session you know that. And ME 3 is more like Roleplaying (and I don't mean that grinding bull***) than like tetris.

Read this: http://​www.themetag...blem-with.html.

And maybe you will understand what this frustration is about.

And to everybody that has not played the game: With all due respect but you have NO CLUE what is going on here.

Thank you. I've read that specific article about our frustration myself, and it perfectly expressed my feelings at the end of ME3.. Since English ins't my native language, I was'nt able to present the first link with such fine and short arguments you just wrote, which perfecly fits my own.

Count me aboard and HOLDING THE LINE

Agreeing +1 to the statement above.

And welcome aboard! We have cookies and free hugs for those people who need it.

[Computim]

Pilzz wrote...

Thank you. I've read that specific article about our frustration myself, and it perfectly expressed my feelings at the end of ME3.. Since English ins't my native language, I was'nt able to present the first link with such fine and short arguments you just wrote, which perfecly fits my own.

Count me aboard and HOLDING THE LINE

Just want to say your english is probably more eloquent and well put than my own and my first language IS english haha.  Welcome aboard!

Modifié par Computim, 20 mars 2012 - 10:20 .