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[Geinen]

Teleraine wrote...

I might be tired but I tend to think more of Djbare cos he has a Sean Connery avatar...it just seems to fit

I think the same thing!!  When he posts its like "Shhh..guys, he's speaking"

hahaha

[K-J4y]

Computim wrote...

K-J4y wrote...

That sounds kinda rough.
I mean there should be some idea behind the scen shouldn't it?
Even EA wouldn't publish an unfinished game... or maybe yes... what do I know?!

They already admitted they switched the endings from basically the indoctrination one in the Final Hours stuff.  Sadly it happens all the time.. even Halo had to cut stuff from the 3rd game, mind you they knew enough, because their project management team was absolutely incredible, in advance they were able to salvage it so most people don't even know WHAT they cut.

Microsoft's testing division is world class.. I suspect Bioware's is too.. just watch, I think it's Halo 2's special edition disc.  They go into some of it.  Basically build testing over night and fixing stuff the next day.. it's nuts.. I wish I had their stuff at work haha, all I have are unit tests and guinea pigs.. who are usually end users  haha.

ALL game studios are under pressure to get as much as they can on disc.. the rank and file don't want to release a half released game.  It's usually management who says "Ok we need to do this".  In this case I suspect Casey Hudson and the leads were directed by EA to "Release this on this date or you will pay penalties or suffer the curse of the fleas of a thousand camels.. or something"  I just suspect there was pressure from the parent company.. the studio obviously knew they were not going to have the time, it's why they started buying stock photos.  So they pushed it right up to the end to do that, unfortunately it shows in this case.. it DOES happen.. however, this day in age, Bioware can make it right.. whether or not they do is a different story.  Sometimes companies get away with it, sometimes they don't.. this time they didn't.  Instead of becoming the game that bombed because of the ending, they could fix it now.. I'd take that as a gift, not a slap at their 'art'...

Not to mention if you're going to call it art now you really shouldn't have 'fixed' someone's novels hahaha.  Though I think that move was as deserved as changing the ending to ME3 too.. 90% of software is only finished when the next version comes out, most GAMES are the same way, just look at the bug/content fixes... look at MMOs.. they should be used to this by now.. especially with MMOs and how often they update content/story/gameplay...

You know, i'd rather belive you every single word, cause I don't wanna belive that this end is like it is... (worplay?)
And yes I also know on how much pressure developers have to work.

But do you have any evidence for the end-change? Honestly, this would be interessting.

[Gardner295]

I've just sent the letter to "La Repubblica" Waiting for a response
Edit: responSe

Modifié par Gardner295, 20 mars 2012 - 10:22 .

[MeldarthX]

Xyalon wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

vpalma wrote...

Thank you everyone on commenting on kingdom of amalur. You guys just saved me some money, you guys ROCK!!! Hold the line...

the funny part is - I want that game - I know people that have it and love it - its what fable should of been......

But can't; same with Syndicate......again I want that game - but won't.....until this resolved.

I'm assuming that this is a different Syndicate than the one released by Bullfrog in '93 followed up by the awesome, Matrix inspiring Syndicate Wars.

Ahh, it's the same franchise. I wonder if EA can kill that one too...

I played the demo - it was good - very along the lines of the old Syndicate - Syndicate Wars continue or remake would be awesome.......


HOLD THE LINE

[Misterdde45000]

 

KEIOS wrote...

A good read, that sums it up. I am still
hoping that the next DLC will prove the indoctrination theory, so the
actual ending would make sense.

"Haltet die Linie!" from Germany

Unfortunatly, the more times pass, the more they try to trap us. As the dev have clearly decide to join what i could define as " EA point of view" ( voluntary or not, but idc ) its showing they are throwing at us eveything they can.

Thus we got 3 solution ( who said green red and blue ? >.> ) IMO

1 - Organize the protest on the next stage. Meaning going as an association in order to gain more weight, more presence and even more.. let's say respectability as i lack a better word for it. Headless groups does have their advantages but its lacking organization sadly :/ And right now, i realyl think that's what we need to reach the highest sphere with a direct link.

2 Keep going the same way and try to rely on mainstream media and hoping they get on our side, or at least explain things neutraly., in a international kind of way.

3 Just give up. ( Just added for the show, don't even dare to think about it )

[KaiserinKai]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Experimentel wrote...

Hmm... Thinking about doing a sketch with a bunch of different fan Shepards. Anyone want to lend me their character here or on deviantart?

Say at the bottom: We deserve better than this.

My Shepard is on Xbox so is it cool if I give a cell phone picture?

Same here, will send camera pic if wanted

[Koobarex]

Marauder Shields: Shepard's Last Foe
EPISODE 8: The Beacon of Hope

In this episode... Hope prevails. No matter what. This is a direct continuation of episodes 6 & 7, so read both of 'em first if you haven't already.

Open the full version here: http://i.imgur.com/ySrw1.jpg

If you have any problems viewing the full version, find it at my DA profile, here: http://koobismo.deviantart.com (be sure to comment or say "hi" ).

Previous episodes:
Episode 1: http://i40.tinypic.com/34eouuu.jpg
Episode 2: http://i.imgur.com/SU6Lq.jpg
Episode 3: http://i.imgur.com/eBrxF.jpg
Episode 4: http://i.imgur.com/59whH.jpg
Episode 5: http://i.imgur.com/6zyaQ.jpg
Episode 6: http://i.imgur.com/kw8MV.jpg
Episode 7: http://i.imgur.com/W2hfn.jpg 
Also available on: http://koobismo.deviantart.com

HOLD THE LINE!  

:wizard:

[Teacher50]

Cybermortis wrote...

Puppet_Guy wrote...

Sure...  If I only knew how to get a screen capture of my Shepard.  <_<  If it was on Steam that wouldn't be a problem...  Gah.

On the PC its 'Print Screen'

Fraps is easier but you have to buy it...

[MeldarthX]

TSC_1 wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

...actually, now that I think of it, if we want to shift the perception of RetakeME3 from "spoiled fans" to "dissatisfied customers," we should get in touch with The Consumerist. That's kind of their thing. Does someone want to contact them?

This is an EXCELLENT idea.

But whoever contacts them (I can't as I have to log off in a moment) has to make his or her point very, very succintly, and with no recourse to sentimentalism at all.

Okay, I'm doing it. They ask for a link to a webpage and a comment. I'm linking to this Forbes article and saying the following in the comment:

"Customers who bought the video game Mass Effect 3 are upset with its ending - it does not fulfil the expectations of the series or the promises made by the developer. Worse, upset consumers are being dismissed as "whiny fans" rather than listened to as "dissatisfied customers." Not only is this a problem specific to this game, it speaks to a toxic mentality in the industry as a whole. I would be interested in The Consumerist's take on the issue. You can find more information at the following links:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719
http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play
http://social.biowar...index/9512916/1"

Sound good? Anything you'd change?

The forum that links to all the promises the writers' and developers said - and pretty much lied about.

[DJBare]

Nice one Koobarex, man you almost had me tear up at the end.

[Computim]

K-J4y wrote...

You know, i'd rather belive you every single word, cause I don't wanna belive that this end is like it is... (worplay?)
And yes I also know on how much pressure developers have to work.

But do you have any evidence for the end-change? Honestly, this would be interessting.

Novel Change: http://www.gameinfor...vel-errors.aspx

ME3 Ending Change: www.http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Mass-Effect-3-Deleted-Scenes-Revealed-Final-Hours-App-40477.html

http://me3finalhours.com/

Halo Deleted Content:  <- note quick one, haven't looked at it .. could find more on Halo 3... it's all over

Seriously though, google what you're thinking about video games and 90% 

of it probably has been done haha.  It's THAT common with video games and software projects in general..

Modifié par Computim, 20 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[Alikan]

Cybermortis wrote...

dnalevel3 wrote...


Expanding on that: It's also important to point out that the game itself IS NOT ART but rather it is A STORY. Is there art in this story? Why yes there is and it's fantastic(even with google images). ART doesn't have to make sense but STORIES absolutly do and the Mass Effect 3 ending absolutly DOES NOT. So that guy is 100% wrong.

The 'art' or 'story' arguments are besides the point.

Mass Effect 3 is a product that has failed to live up to the expectations of Biowares customers. It is also a product that is ends in a way we were specifically told it would not.

This is a point that should be made constantly. We are consumers of a product, and we should have the same rights as someone who buys a car or a washing machine.

Art claim fails in so many ways. Something being art (even if i would aknowledge this is) does not automatically mean its not bad.

Also if art argument is going to be used its ripped of art. Its been dome almost exactly the same in other games and other media and when even a bsn forum member states his most feared endings more than 2 years ago and that is exactly what we get i wonder how someone can even bring out the art argument.

Also on this: "Mass Effect 3 is a product that has failed to live up to the expectations of Biowares customers"

Its not even about pure expectations. We WHERE told right up to release: wildly varying endings. No A, B, C choice.

This with the game already being distributed to retailers.....jezz...

Modifié par Alikan, 20 mars 2012 - 10:30 .

[Conspicuous Cake]

Koobarex wrote...

Marauder Shields: Shepard's Last Foe
EPISODE 8: The Beacon of Hope

*snip*

HOLD THE LINE!  

:wizard:[b]

Yay! Another episode!
Thanks for doing these.

Modifié par Conspicuous Cake, 20 mars 2012 - 10:28 .

[Xyalon]

Koobarex wrote...

Marauder Shields: Shepard's Last Foe
EPISODE 8: The Beacon of Hope

In this episode... Hope prevails. No matter what. This is a direct continuation of episodes 6 & 7, so read both of 'em first if you haven't already.

Open the full version here: http://i.imgur.com/ySrw1.jpg

If you have any problems viewing the full version, find it at my DA profile, here: http://koobismo.deviantart.com (be sure to comment or say "hi" ).

Previous episodes:
Episode 1: http://i40.tinypic.com/34eouuu.jpg
Episode 2: http://i.imgur.com/SU6Lq.jpg
Episode 3: http://i.imgur.com/eBrxF.jpg
Episode 4: http://i.imgur.com/59whH.jpg
Episode 5: http://i.imgur.com/6zyaQ.jpg
Episode 6: http://i.imgur.com/kw8MV.jpg
Episode 7: http://i.imgur.com/W2hfn.jpg 
Also available on: http://koobismo.deviantart.com

HOLD THE LINE!  

:wizard:

Ok, it's official. I've snapped. I'm actually getting teary eyed at Marauder's adventures and his fight for a decent end, even though it may mean his death.

I need to get a grip.

[K-J4y]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Benirus wrote...

K-J4y wrote...

That sounds kinda rough.
I mean there should be some idea behind the scen shouldn't it?
Even EA wouldn't publish an unfinished game... or maybe yes... what do I know?!

Lot's of speculation from everyone

No, but seriusly the only thing I can accept as a possible solution is that they needed more time, but EA was behind them with a pitchfork.

Damn rEApers...

I've actually spoken with a high-end EA shareholder who admitted to pushing for advanced release dates at meetings. Like us, he is a gamer and was capable of listening to reason. "You do realize, that if this project falls on it's face on release, you'll be hurting your investment, right?" That wasn't ME though, nor was the often demonized CEO. It was shareholder pressure.

So in the end it all comes down to the stock exchange and the financial market... uuugh, it's always the devil that changes you! 

[Iucounou]

Some information and humour to help people cope. If you can think of more, post them and I'll include them in this list and

re-post every once in a while.

Reviews:

Gamefront's 5 reasons the fans are right
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/
Angry Joe's top 10 reasons to hate the ME3 ending

ME3 endings comparison

Jeremy Jahns ending review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4
Archengeia's thoughts on the ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUqAhKW7498&feature=youtu.be
The California Literary Review
http://calitreview.com/24673
Forbes' Myth of Entitlement
http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/
The Mary Sue review
http://www.themarysu...poiler-free-as-
possible/
BBC Technology News article
http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

Podcasts:

The Paranoid Gamer (Lions and Tigers and Bioware, Oh my!)
http://theparanoidga...-bioware-oh-my/
Spill.com (Ending spoiler review)
http://my.spill.com/...logPost:5224387

Inspirational stuff:

The Commander Shepard song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiRDJLcYua0
The Hold the Line video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JspE9ctseIU
Commander Shepard is still a jerk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PjTuSQNLI4


Satire and Parody:

ME3 Recontextualised
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWIimukNeAE
Mass Deffect 7 Shepard's Reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzYLTbQQEZQ&feature=related
The Animal House ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4iNJXrHA_I
Mass Deffect Monster Reaper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyoev5RzO_w
Japanime ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAmVVAjZZeM
Marauder Shields - He gave his life trying to save us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNoIwHychkY&feature=youtu.be
Marauder Shields comic strip
http://koobismo.devi...rt.com/gallery/

Twitter:

HarbytheReaper
https://twitter.com/#!/HarbyTheReaper

Images and Pictures:

VGCats #300
http://www.vgcats.co...ages/120318.jpg
What it should have said on the box
http://i14.photobuck...me3ba_super.jpg
What the kittens think of it all
http://i14.photobuck...s/ME3Boldly.jpg
Marauder Shields
http://koobismo.devi...allery:koobismo
%20randomize%3A1&qo=4

[SpuDSheraM]

Reporting in.. Ready to HOLD THE LINE

What have I missed?

[Experimentel]

KaiserinKai wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Experimentel wrote...

Hmm... Thinking about doing a sketch with a bunch of different fan Shepards. Anyone want to lend me their character here or on deviantart?

Say at the bottom: We deserve better than this.

My Shepard is on Xbox so is it cool if I give a cell phone picture?

Same here, will send camera pic if wanted

Those are fine. Just PM me and note if you want some things customized beyond what the game did (because you can't get all the hairstyles you ever want.)

[Computim]

Koobarex wrote...

Marauder Shields: Shepard's Last Foe
EPISODE 8: The Beacon of Hope

In this episode... Hope prevails. No matter what. This is a direct continuation of episodes 6 & 7, so read both of 'em first if you haven't already.

Open the full version here: http://i.imgur.com/ySrw1.jpg

If you have any problems viewing the full version, find it at my DA profile, here: http://koobismo.deviantart.com (be sure to comment or say "hi" ).

Previous episodes:
Episode 1: http://i40.tinypic.com/34eouuu.jpg
Episode 2: http://i.imgur.com/SU6Lq.jpg
Episode 3: http://i.imgur.com/eBrxF.jpg
Episode 4: http://i.imgur.com/59whH.jpg
Episode 5: http://i.imgur.com/6zyaQ.jpg
Episode 6: http://i.imgur.com/kw8MV.jpg
Episode 7: http://i.imgur.com/W2hfn.jpg 
Also available on: http://koobismo.deviantart.com

HOLD THE LINE!  

:wizard:

Very nice.. love these all 

[Koobarex]

DJBare wrote...

Nice one Koobarex, man you almost had me tear up at the end.

Ha, thanks! I'm still fighting with myself whether to end the "semi-serious series" with this one, or do another one, revealing Shepard's fate, before turning back to the funny ones. Still not sure...

[StarGateGod]

wantedman dan wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

You know guys I'm honestly a little worried that some of the flamier posts on Twitter and these boards as well as others are the result of EA going behind BioWare's back and hiring out people to be inflammatory.

Remember that this is the same company whose marketing division hired FAKE PROTESTORS to pretend to be religious and pissed off about the game Dante's Inferno.

....

I have no words.

http://www.joystiq.c...est-was-staged/

Really, EA?  Really?

Holy sh*t. What company does this?

did they get  in any kind of trouble for that i mean like wow

[Hydralysk]

Koobarex wrote...

Marauder Shields: Shepard's Last Foe
EPISODE 8: The Beacon of Hope

In this episode... Hope prevails. No matter what. This is a direct continuation of episodes 6 & 7, so read both of 'em first if you haven't already.

Open the full version here: http://i.imgur.com/ySrw1.jpg

If you have any problems viewing the full version, find it at my DA profile, here: http://koobismo.deviantart.com (be sure to comment or say "hi" ).

Previous episodes:
Episode 1: http://i40.tinypic.com/34eouuu.jpg
Episode 2: http://i.imgur.com/SU6Lq.jpg
Episode 3: http://i.imgur.com/eBrxF.jpg
Episode 4: http://i.imgur.com/59whH.jpg
Episode 5: http://i.imgur.com/6zyaQ.jpg
Episode 6: http://i.imgur.com/kw8MV.jpg
Episode 7: http://i.imgur.com/W2hfn.jpg 
Also available on: http://koobismo.deviantart.com

HOLD THE LINE!  

:wizard:

You good sir, are always there to brighten up my day.

[Sesshaku]

Gardner295 wrote...

I've just sent the letter to "La Repubblica" Waiting for a response
Edit: responSe

Sei italiano? ricordo qualcosa della lingua del Dante, però parlare dopo 3 anni finita la scuola è difficile, senza pratica si perde l'abito.

[Computim]

StarGateGod wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

You know guys I'm honestly a little worried that some of the flamier posts on Twitter and these boards as well as others are the result of EA going behind BioWare's back and hiring out people to be inflammatory.

Remember that this is the same company whose marketing division hired FAKE PROTESTORS to pretend to be religious and pissed off about the game Dante's Inferno.

....

I have no words.

http://www.joystiq.c...est-was-staged/

Really, EA?  Really?

Holy sh*t. What company does this?

did they get  in any kind of trouble for that i mean like wow

Nah.. EA might have had their stock drop .01 cents.. but viral marketing usually results in your stock going up these days haha

[K-J4y]

Computim wrote...

K-J4y wrote...

You know, i'd rather belive you every single word, cause I don't wanna belive that this end is like it is... (worplay?)
And yes I also know on how much pressure developers have to work.

But do you have any evidence for the end-change? Honestly, this would be interessting.

Novel Change: http://www.gameinfor...vel-errors.aspx

ME3 Ending Change: www.http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Mass-Effect-3-Deleted-Scenes-Revealed-Final-Hours-App-40477.html

http://me3finalhours.com/

Halo Deleted Content:  <- note quick one, haven't looked at it .. could find more on Halo 3... it's all over

Seriously though, google what you're thinking about video games and 90% 

of it probably has been done haha.  It's THAT common with video games and software projects in general..

Quick response, thanks a lot