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Nilofeliu wrote...
Because they ar Sith, therefore they deal in absolutes. If you didn't love the game and you don't support them, you are against them. And they will do everything in their power to destroy you...

We have been called many things, from spoiled children, to haters, to unemployed, and some other less civil names as well. But are you pointed out, all they do is to offend us, and they do so indirectly, since none of these comments were made of can be linked back to Bioware itself...

They are just ignoring us whether they pretend to listen or not, hoping that we will go away, and all of this will be nothing but a bad dream for them..

So little do they know. We are not going away, we are not few...

WE ARE LEGION, FOR WE ARE MANY!

AND LET'S HOLD THE LINE!!!

/Salute


Geinen wrote...
Easy.  A lot of the media coverage tends to
point out that we dislike the endings because they are "sad".    When
you pair that up with PR talk about "minority", "most vocal", "most
passionate" fans....it does make us look like we are skipping highschool
to hold this line.


Wells we spoiled, entitled, unemployed, vocal minority members have come together from all around the world. Different nations, skin colors, religions. We have come together and are inching close to $100,000 US for charity.
Considering how many wars are going on around the world these days over stupid minute things like nationality and greed, what we have done should be applauded.

If all we want is a few other ending choices to a game, I think that is a small price to pay for what we have shown people can do. Although, thats just my 2 cents on the matter.

Edit- I don't imagine we'd stop giving to charity once we get the endings anyways.

Modifié par -PG-Skyre, 21 mars 2012 - 12:40 .


#51277
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yeah I don't plan on playing through the full series again, its just too pointless and depressing

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Xellith wrote...

I dont see why so many people are against the changes to the ending. Bioware made promises they didnt keep. If I order a new pc and it doesnt meet the specifications then yes im gonna ask them to take it back and give me what I bought.

Too many of these so called journalists arnt even investigating the issues at hand. We need to get a website up and running covering all these issues. Web designers its time to step up.

just my 2 cents.

OUR CHOICES SHOULD MATTER. HOLD THE LINE.


*crosses out "So many people" and puts in "Small non-vocal minority"...

man that felt good.  Image IPB

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Stygian1 wrote...

Ihatebadgames wrote...

Just erased all but one Shepard in ME3,messing around at the begining to find the flow of the game better.Holding the line.


Did the same, but I just bought ME1 (used) to try and play through the trilogy one more time. I'm hoping by the time I get through ME2 we'll have an answer on whether or not they'll fix our crapshoot of an ending. I'm going to take my time getting through it. If they don't plan to, well my future paragon vanguard (always paragon, always vanguard, always Tali) will never reach ME3 :( 


Remember, if you play through Origion, EA sees that and uses those numbers against us. Just saying...

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Xellith wrote...

I dont see why so many people are against the changes to the ending. Bioware made promises they didnt keep. If I order a new pc and it doesnt meet the specifications then yes im gonna ask them to take it back and give me what I bought.

Too many of these so called journalists arnt even investigating the issues at hand. We need to get a website up and running covering all these issues. Web designers its time to step up.

just my 2 cents.

OUR CHOICES SHOULD MATTER. HOLD THE LINE.


Good point, I really don't understand how someone could be so vocally against us (unless they're paid off and/or trolls). I mean if they liked it thats fine, but why would they want us NOT to like it?

Hold the Line. 

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Holding the line, any news?

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This was posted on another thread, too good to be missed. Todd Howard on fallout roughly at the minute mark:www.g4tv.com/videos/48225/Face-Time-With-Todd-Howard/

Modifié par Luiginius, 21 mars 2012 - 12:38 .


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Trojan_33 wrote...

I was expecting a boss battle with Harbinger, myself. Since they didn't give me one, I came up with an idea on my own. What do ya think?

TO EVERYONE WANTING A BATTLE WITH HARBINGER:

With the Geth Fighter mission and the Project Overlord DLC, interacting with an AI world is possible soooo...

Using Indoc Theory, relying on plot change back to Dark Energy stated by this guy (awesome overall info and ideas), how about there is no interface or protocols for using the weapon? An interface could be brought by Geth or from Citadel maintenance VI overwhelming Shepherd like in Overlord. She/he sees everything that the Citadel sees and he mentally projects (points gun if necessary to keep a mental handle on the situation) damage to a nearby Reaper, the crucible fires and immense blast that rips the Reaper in half.

(mentally projecting defense in form of shields) Reapers attacks against the crucible fail. Harbinger attaches himeself to the Citadel and then Shepherd and Harbinger dialogue and then fight in the virtual world. War assest and readiness come into play at a crucial moment, when Hackett notices the the crucible is no longer firing and commands all available fleets to attack harbinger while he's attached to citadel, at the same moment Harbinger is winning the virtual world fight but if he is damaged significantly he can't maintain his virtual attacks on Shepherd.

Insert awesome quotes, fight sequences/moments, and there ya go.

THOUGHTS?? B)

Remind me why you're not working for BioWare again? That's the best ending I've heard yet. You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

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If they're Sith does that make us Jedi? Because I always wanted to grow up to be a Jedi.


Come on; one of the reasons why Mass Effect is so great, is that it doesn't waste a moment on nonsensical space sorcery.....oh..:(....never mind.......

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I just have to say this to get it off my chest because I think its building up in me as the silence continues, I can't seem to wrap my head around how anyone can justify this ending, there's no closure, a plot hole minefield, a best case scenario that is everyone pretty much dieing off eventually from being trapped at earth/starving, and everything you've done means nothing. I can't stand it when I read "we all knew shep most likely wasn't going to live." why? I always figured my shep would pull through no matter what, and even if he could die that should have been my choice to make, not predetermined for me, makes me feel like he just suicided instead of a heroic sacrifice type moment(like in DA:O where you could make that call) its just stressful, I just do not get it at all how anyone can like this, and I also don't understand why pro-ending people have to be so mean to people like us who just want our choices to mean something at the end, makes me sick :( don't know what ill do if the endings don't change
Alright back to holding the line for me, sorry just had to say all that, just feel like I'm slowly going mad from all this

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Teacher50 wrote...

Remember, if you play through Origion, EA sees that and uses those numbers against us. Just saying...


Don't worry, I'm using a 360 with no internet connection what so ever


Hold the Line :police:

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WvStolzing wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

If they're Sith does that make us Jedi? Because I always wanted to grow up to be a Jedi.


Come on; one of the reasons why Mass Effect is so great, is that it doesn't waste a moment on nonsensical space sorcery.....oh..:(....never mind.......


it has space magic :wizard:

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Wertom Three wrote...

Trojan_33 wrote...

I was expecting a boss battle with Harbinger, myself. Since they didn't give me one, I came up with an idea on my own. What do ya think?

TO EVERYONE WANTING A BATTLE WITH HARBINGER:

With the Geth Fighter mission and the Project Overlord DLC, interacting with an AI world is possible soooo...

Using Indoc Theory, relying on plot change back to Dark Energy stated by this guy (awesome overall info and ideas), how about there is no interface or protocols for using the weapon? An interface could be brought by Geth or from Citadel maintenance VI overwhelming Shepherd like in Overlord. She/he sees everything that the Citadel sees and he mentally projects (points gun if necessary to keep a mental handle on the situation) damage to a nearby Reaper, the crucible fires and immense blast that rips the Reaper in half.

(mentally projecting defense in form of shields) Reapers attacks against the crucible fail. Harbinger attaches himeself to the Citadel and then Shepherd and Harbinger dialogue and then fight in the virtual world. War assest and readiness come into play at a crucial moment, when Hackett notices the the crucible is no longer firing and commands all available fleets to attack harbinger while he's attached to citadel, at the same moment Harbinger is winning the virtual world fight but if he is damaged significantly he can't maintain his virtual attacks on Shepherd.

Insert awesome quotes, fight sequences/moments, and there ya go.

THOUGHTS?? B)

Remind me why you're not working for BioWare again? That's the best ending I've heard yet. You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.


May I use this in my fic?<3<3<3<3

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To those of you who are feeling burnt out by this, take a step back, Its a marathon not a sprint. Just because we are not posting hundreds of comments per hour doesn't mean we have changed our minds and have given up, it just means there are other things to do in life too.

So don't loose heart and don't lose sleep over it, EA and Bioware will comment sooner or later and we will either get what we want or we wont. By now they are aware of the consequences of their actions/inactions and are just playing for time before an answer is given. As long as your resolve to not give them any more of your money until we get some sort of changes made remain, they have lost. Even if it is dragged on for months with only a few posts per day.... there are 50,000 + who they have lost as potential customers.

Signing off from the UK Fleet,

Hold the line.

#51290
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Wertom Three wrote...

Trojan_33 wrote...


TO EVERYONE WANTING A BATTLE WITH HARBINGER:


THOUGHTS?? B)

Remind me why you're not working for BioWare again? That's the best ending I've heard yet. You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.


Splendid. However The have to be closure after that.

What happended to everyone... species relations, friends, allies, enemies.

The best way I've seen it done ever, was in DA1 where massive amount of information was given to satisfy our curiosity with text... nothing but paragraphs of script with a nice background to stimulate emotional output. 

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as stated else where, our choices should matter its not to much to ask for we only want what we were were promised and what the series deserves. Choice and closure..

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Hydralysk wrote...

If they're Sith does that make us Jedi? Because I always wanted to grow up to be a Jedi.


Are you SURE about that?

#51293
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Hydralysk wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...

-PG-Skyre wrote...

I'm yet to find a valid argument against us... All the posts/reports against us just say that we are over entitled spoiled kids. None of them point out any flaws in our reasoning or anything. So, that being the case, I have to ask....Why all the hostility? We (there are always a few rotten eggs) don't abuse or fight people with other opinions or attack BW...so why is it that so many feel the need to abuse us?


Because they ar Sith, therefore they deal in absolutes. If you didn't love the game and you don't support them, you are against them. And they will do everything in their power to destroy you...

We have been called many things, from spoiled children, to haters, to unemployed, and some other less civil names as well. But are you pointed out, all they do is to offend us, and they do so indirectly, since none of these comments were made of can be linked back to Bioware itself...

They are just ignoring us whether they pretend to listen or not, hoping that we will go away, and all of this will be nothing but a bad dream for them..

So little do they know. We are not going away, we are not few...

WE ARE LEGION, FOR WE ARE MANY!

AND LET'S HOLD THE LINE!!!

/Salute

If they're Sith does that make us Jedi? Because I always wanted to grow up to be a Jedi.


Yes it does. I hadn't thought about that! Cool, since being a Jedi in TOR is really boring, at least here we have a cause worthy of us..

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Major Swift wrote...

I just have to say this to get it off my chest because I think its building up in me as the silence continues, I can't seem to wrap my head around how anyone can justify this ending, there's no closure, a plot hole minefield, a best case scenario that is everyone pretty much dieing off eventually from being trapped at earth/starving, and everything you've done means nothing. I can't stand it when I read "we all knew shep most likely wasn't going to live." why? I always figured my shep would pull through no matter what, and even if he could die that should have been my choice to make, not predetermined for me, makes me feel like he just suicided instead of a heroic sacrifice type moment(like in DA:O where you could make that call) its just stressful, I just do not get it at all how anyone can like this, and I also don't understand why pro-ending people have to be so mean to people like us who just want our choices to mean something at the end, makes me sick :( don't know what ill do if the endings don't change
Alright back to holding the line for me, sorry just had to say all that, just feel like I'm slowly going mad from all this


Roger that.

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ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL!! you are now all indoctrinated and I will meet you at the bar drinks on me!

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FinalEndeavor wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

If they're Sith does that make us Jedi? Because I always wanted to grow up to be a Jedi.


Come on; one of the reasons why Mass Effect is so great, is that it doesn't waste a moment on nonsensical space sorcery.....oh..:(....never mind.......


it has space magic :wizard:

To be perfectly honest, my Adept was spamming Force Push Throw most of the way through the game.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 21 mars 2012 - 12:45 .


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ok, good night everyone its 1:45am here!

see you all tomorrow, hope we got a statement from bioware til then !

hold the line!

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Find below some important links you may want to follow.

BBC news technology section
Angry Joe Mass Effect 3 Review:
Angry Joe 10 plot holes created by ending:
Retake Mass Effect - Child's Play ***Please Donate***
Mass Effect 3 debacle - Pre-release developer quotes
Poll About The Ending
'Official' Poll For Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC
[POLL] What exactly would you change with the ending?
Official ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread
EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode ***Regularly UPDATED***
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Mission Statement Thread
Retake Mass Effect Group on BSN ***Please Join***
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I've posted this to the PR thread as well, b/c these threads move so fast. It's also a blog post here.

Just a few words of encouragement:

First: I think I may sometimes come across as some kind of know-it-all. The fact is I don't know very much about very much at all -- a fact that becomes clearer with each passing year. But, having been a practicing graphic artist, then working as a project manager, IT manager, programmer, software architect, and finally enterprise architect, over a 33-year career, I do think I understand corporations, and especially software product companies. So what I'm about to say isn't a posterior pull.

I see quite a few posts since yesterday from people who are either discouraged by the silence or are concluding "It's over" or some similar sentiment. In response, I'd like to make a few points that I hope will provide insight that encourages continued patience and resolve.

My disclaimer? Simple, in spite of long-term exposure to lots of corporate cultures, I could easily be wrong. The decision could already be made, and all that's left is a date to trigger an announcement. But it's opinion informed by experience. It's somewhere above a wild-ass guess and somewhere below insider information. So, for what it's worth:

  • This will take time. It just will. Never forget that. I'm not the first to say that, but it bears repeating. Nothing happens quickly in a corporate environment. Nothing. This is especially true in an acquired business unit of a larger corporation. It's likely that there are "urgent" meetings regarding the ME3 ending whose reminders haven't even come up on calendars yet. We like to think we must be the only thing on BioWare executives' minds right now, but that's just not going to be the case.
  • A company is not a hive mind. While this isn't the only issue on the executives' plates, some key decision makers and other key players at BioWare have not been able to think of anything BUT this issue since customers began to finish the game and discuss their experiences. That focus does not mean they are able to take any official action or make any statement, even if they personally feel they know what course should be taken. Escalation processes, market analysis timetables, change management procedures, and communication approval protocols are just a few of the hurdles that have to be crossed before any message can go out. Even if key decision makers have already reached a consensus (which is doubtful), they can't just pick a person to fire up a laptop and push out an email. It's also likely that there are internal power structures on both sides of this issue. The apple cart will have been upset, and some may be fighting to retain or gain credibility that earns them the right to be heard within the corporate culture.
  • This is serious. There can be little doubt that BioWare, as they have said, are taking this seriously. If they had foreseen the possibility of this level of negative reaction, they would have prepared statements designed to close the door quickly, and these would have been issued immediately. (Microsoft, for example, folllows this approach whenever they plan to announce discontinuation of a product, and they execute the plan with precision.) Instead, the first official statement from BioWare didn't appear for days, and both it and subsequent statements -- even firefighting statements like the Facebook statement -- have been careful to leave options open. This is the behavior of a company that was blindsided to some degree and is very carefully weighing its options. This takes time (but not months of time), because...
  • This is all about impact analysis. They're not weighing all the details of all the possible actions they could take. That would require many weeks of detailed analysis. They're weighing the impact of a small set of broadly framed approaches, like "continue with original post-release plan," looking at short- and long-term revenue impact, brand impact, and impact on their core demographics, across all their sales channels. While this doesn't take months, it brings together decision makers from multiple departments and involves unplanned expenditures from multiple cost centers. Issues surrounding that kind of collision of varying perspectives, goals, and budgets is not something that gets resolved quickly or in a single meeting.
  • Silence is a good thing. The fact that we hear very little outside of approved channels, and misstatements are VERY quickly corrected, is a very strong indication that this is now designated a corporate-level public relations issue. Depending on BioWare's corporate culture, there have been company-wide team/department/business unit meetings, or perhaps minimally internal memos, detailing very clear and enforceable restrictions on employee communication on this subject outside the company until a decision has been made.
  • None of this is personal. While I'm sure there are employees at BioWare who are angry or frustrated or feel insulted or disappointed or sad (and we've seen evidence of that on Twitter), that will never cross the corporate barrier, and I can assure you that no publicly-held corporation that wants to survive will ever make decisions based on personal feelings. The decision we hear will be based solely on factors related to revenue, market demographics, and public relations. The good news there is that all three of those factors are inextricably tied to us as consumers, and that's the main thing I urge you to remember.

Don't be discouraged. Don't fall silent. Don't let the natural tendency towards cynicism lure you into fatalism.

Even when the first response comes, don't let it be an "off" switch. Compare it with what we're asking for. If there are gaps, say "what about [these things]?" It's not over until each one of us decides s/he is satisfied with the result.

Hold the line!

Modifié par SkaldFish, 21 mars 2012 - 12:52 .


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Luiginius wrote...

This was posted on another thread, too good to be missed. Todd Howard on fallout roughly at the minute mark:www.g4tv.com/videos/48225/Face-Time-With-Todd-Howard/



I hope in a not so distant future we will see a vid like this with the creator of mass effect with the same topic ! that would be great!