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Hydralysk wrote...

FinalEndeavor wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

If they're Sith does that make us Jedi? Because I always wanted to grow up to be a Jedi.


Come on; one of the reasons why Mass Effect is so great, is that it doesn't waste a moment on nonsensical space sorcery.....oh..:(....never mind.......


it has space magic :wizard:

To be perfectly honest, my Adept was spamming Force Push most of the way through the game.


Considering the first ME was pretty much made because LucasArts wouldn't let them make a KOTOR 3 haha.... Then they wanted in on ME because they realized how wrong they were... and then, as a result, we now have TOR.

...and the ending to ME3.... man.. I hate to say this.. but George Lucas was right... excuse me.. I think I need a shower now.

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Good post from Skald +1

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Luiginius wrote...

This was posted on another thread, too good to be missed. Todd Howard on fallout roughly at the minute mark:www.g4tv.com/videos/48225/Face-Time-With-Todd-Howard/

what a cool guy. are u watchin bioware?

Modifié par M2S SOLID JOSH, 21 mars 2012 - 12:53 .


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VivaLaWhatsername

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SSV Auckland reporting for duty!

Any news since about page 1988?
I'm too lazy to read through it all.

Holding the line.

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SkaldFish wrote...

I've posted this to the PR thread as well, b/c these threads move so fast. It's also a blog post here.
*snip*
[*]Hold the line!

Wow, very informative, thank you SkaldFish, that was an interesting read, I recommend everyone not to skip this post.

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Agreed about Skald's post. +1 internets

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Excellent post, Skald!

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TSC_1 wrote...

Excellent post, Skald!


+1

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I have a bad feeling about all this. Are they doing this to sell us the real ending in the ME movie, like Evangelion did?. This is speculation, of course, but I can't avoid think it.

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Xyalon wrote...

I refuse to let this game spoil my entire game enjoyment paradigm. I have very little else in my life right now except games. With such a great series in my possession, I will not let the deformed brainchild of a late night scribblethon ruin what I have.

As was advertised at the very beginning of the series "Many decisions lie ahead, none of them easy." Well, we made those difficult decisions. If they had said "And in the end it won't really matter" then somehow I don't think this series would have sold nearly as well. If this was the plan from the word go, then the reason they never hinted at it was because they knew that it wouldn't sell. Instead we got hooked on the ideal of hope that spanned the first two series, and then when we would pay through the nose to get the ending we all thought was coming, they dropped down and gave us a punch that we will never forget.

What we have been given is a blow delivered below the belt. It is c.ock of the poppyest variety. If this is what was intended from the outset then not only have BioWare failed us, they have failed themselves. And if it was a last minute decision instead during the final installment of the trilogy then the result is still exactly the same. Whether you see it as betraying the fans, or selling out the series, this was cheap. It looks cheap, it feels cheap and it plays cheap. If it were a West End Musical it wouldn't last a week.

So I am retaking Mass Effect. I am retaking my wasted hours and putting them back to good use. Everything I stood for and fought for with my Shepards has had meaning. Every choice has had an effect. Every action has had a purpose. I am taking this series out of their hands and putting it back into my own, where it will be treated with the reverence it deserves. I defy BioWare, and I deny that abortion of an ending that they have force-fed us like geese.

Mass Effect is mine. Mass Effect is yours. It is ours, but it is no longer theirs. It ceased to belong to them when we fell in love with it and made it our own in our minds. That is the Mass Effect that they can never take away from you. Your journey with your team mates is real, and it mattered. You saved the galaxy from countless threats and don't let them fool you otherwise. Everything you did had a result, it helped shape you as you shaped the story we all lived together, but on our own.

Mass Effect does not stop here, and it will never stop here. I will not let them take it from me. I and my Shepard stand side by side. There is always another way and nothing that they can say can make us believe otherwise. I am going back to the source, and I am going to take back the joy which kept me going for the past four years. If I cannot do this then I will have let them ruin it for me, I will have given up and I will have abandoned my Shepard just as badly as they have.

This is why I am here. This is why I hold the line. And I'm damned if I'm moving until I've got some answers.


Couldn't have phrased it better in a hundred lifetimes, kudos to you sir.
I stand by you holding the line

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Doomed Avatar wrote...

I have a bad feeling about all this. Are they doing this to sell us the real ending in the ME movie, like Evangelion did?. This is speculation, of course, but I can't avoid think it.


Doesn't make sense monetarily.  Even if they get $50million for licencing of ME3 movie rights it's a drop in the bucket to what they've already lost for the game with this.

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Paraphrased from the Retake Mass Effect charity fundraiser site:

We respectfully request BioWare create additional endings be added to the game which provide:
  • A more complete explanation of the story events in a manner consistent with the quality we've come to expect from the Mass Effect trilogy and BioWare.
  • An explaination of the outcome of the decisions made, especially with
    regard to the planets, races, and companions detailed throughout the
    series.
  • A wider variety of distinct endings which appropriately reflect the spectrum of possible player decisions and Effective Military Strength, from a tragic ending in which the Reapers are victorious to a heroic ending which provides a powerful sense of accomplishment, fulfillment, and closure.
Hold the line.


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Doomed Avatar wrote...

I have a bad feeling about all this. Are they doing this to sell us the real ending in the ME movie, like Evangelion did?. This is speculation, of course, but I can't avoid think it.


that would be the worst decision ever. we all bought the games and wanted to finish this trilogy withing the game. not have it be in a movie

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This will take time. It just will. Never forget that. I'm not the first to say that, but it bears repeating. Nothing happens quickly in a corporate environment. Nothing. This is especially true in an acquired business unit of a larger corporation. It's likely that there are "urgent" meetings regarding the ME3 ending whose reminders haven't even come up on calendars yet. We like to think we must be the only thing on BioWare executives' minds right now, but that's just not going to be the case.

A company is not a hive mind. While this isn;t the only issue on the executives' plates, some key decision makers and other key players at BioWare have not been able to think of anything BUT this issue since customers began to finish the game and discuss their experiences. That focus does not mean they are able to take any official action or make any statement, even if they personally feel they know what course should be taken. Escalation processes, market analysis timetables, change management procedures, and communication approval protocola are just a few of the hurdles that have to be crossed before any message can go out. Even if key decision makers have already reached a consensus (which is doubtful), they can't just pick a person to fire up a laptop and push out an email. It's also likely that there are internal power structures on both sides of this issue. The apple cart will have been upset, and some may be fighting to retain or gain credibility that earns them the right to be heard within the corporate culture.

This is serious. There can be little doubt that BioWare, as they have said, are taking this seriously. If they had foreseen the possibility of this level of negative reaction, they would have prepared statements designed to close the door quickly, and these would have been issued immediately. (Microsoft, for example, folllows this approach whenever they plan to announce discontinuation of a product, and they execute the plan with precision.) Instead, the first official statement from BioWare didn't appear for days, and both it and subsequent statements -- even firefighting statements like the Facebook statement -- have been careful to leave options open. This is the behavior of a company that was blindsided to some degree and is very carefully weighing its options. This takes time (but not months of time), because...

This is all about impact analysis. They're not weighing all the details of all the possible actions they could take. That would require many weeks of detailed analysis. They're weighing the impact of a small set of broadly framed approaches, like "continue with original post-release plan," looking at short- and long-term revenue impact, brand impact, and impact on their core demographics, across all their sales channels. While this doesn't take months, it brings together decision makers from multiple departments and involves unplanned expenditures from multiple cost centers. Issues surrounding that kind of collision of varying perspectives, goals, and budgets is not something that gets resolved quickly or in a single meeting.

Silence is a good thing. The fact that we hear very little outside of approved channels, and misstatements are VERY quickly corrected, is a very strong indication that this is now designated a corporate-level public relations issue. Depending on BioWare's corporate culture, there have been company-wide team/department/business unit meetings, or perhaps minimally internal memos, detailing very clear and enforceable restrictions on employee communication on this subject outside the company until a decision has been made.

None of this is personal. While I'm sure there are employees at BioWare who are angry or frustrated or feel insulted or disappointed or sad (and we've seen evidence of that on Twitter), that will never cross the corporate barrier, and I can assure you that no publicly-held corporation that wants to survive will ever make decisions based on personal feelings. The decision we hear will be based solely on factors related to revenue, market demographics, and public relations. The good news there is that all three of those factors are inextricably tied to us as consumers, and that's the main thing I urge you to remember.

I'm reposting this from Full PR - prop up folks - we are moving forward slowly - do not disheart......

HOLD THE LINE

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SkaldFish wrote...

I've posted this to the PR thread as well, b/c these threads move so fast. It's also a blog post here.[*]This will take time.
[*]A company is not a hive mind.
[*]This is serious.
[*]This is all about impact analysis.
[*]Silence is a good thing.
[*]None of this is personal.
Hold the line!


[*]Wow...[*]This is exactly why I doubt it will happen. Is EA it is
not economically pheasible for them to redo the ending. The Undertaking
would be so massive it would be no short of an expansion. The ending is
missing 2 hrs. A dlc... maybe but the dlc would be massive in scope.
Adding up everything that you did. And would you imagine the "selling
you the ending" that would spring from this.

Those with a min in their pockets would never forgive this.

The reason why this is so hard... is because there is no best option here. All this is about, is damage control.

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take this bioware, i hold the line as the penguins stomp the jets.....this game has been like your game....up and down, exciting, disheartening, electrifying.....hopefully the end (for me) turns out better in this one.....

apologies to any jets fans...

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Find below some important links you may want to follow.

BBC news technology section
Angry Joe Mass Effect 3 Review:
Angry Joe 10 plot holes created by ending:
Retake Mass Effect - Child's Play ***Please Donate***
Mass Effect 3 debacle - Pre-release developer quotes
Poll About The Ending
'Official' Poll For Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC
[POLL] What exactly would you change with the ending?
Official ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread
EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode ***Regularly UPDATED***
Retake Mass Effect Banner Templates
Mission Statement Thread
Retake Mass Effect Group on BSN ***Please Join***
Mass Effect 3 Resource Site with collection of statements and reports
Retake Mass Effect 3 Statistics
Retake Mass Effect on Facebook
IGN facebook page
Retake Mass Effect on Youtube
ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread
Retake Mass Effect 3 Endings - Extranet Site - Resource Collector
PC PowerPlay review
Retake Mass Effect on Twitter
@RetakeME3

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Doomed Avatar wrote...

I have a bad feeling about all this. Are they doing this to sell us the real ending in the ME movie, like Evangelion did?. This is speculation, of course, but I can't avoid think it.


Evangelion wasn't a video game where we picked the ending. ;)

Plus Japanese tv shows/anime have the habit of ending everything in the movie theaters...not even kidding. 

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mulder1199 wrote...

take this bioware, i hold the line as the penguins stomp the jets.....this game has been like your game....up and down, exciting, disheartening, electrifying.....hopefully the end (for me) turns out better in this one.....

apologies to any jets fans...


*shakes fist from hometown* \\o.

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Just watched my brother get to the ending... Its sad to see someone you care about crumble down slowly, totally losing themselves, reminding myself i probably looked the same when i did my ending, why would BW do this and expect its a good thing...

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Geinen wrote...

When you pair that up with PR talk about "minority", "most vocal", "most passionate" fans....it does make us look like we are skipping highschool to hold this line.


I am not skipping high school, but I do teach high school.  I will admit I am checking in to hold the line in between my classes.

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Skald +1

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So I take it there hasn't been any news then?

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Wertom Three wrote...

Trojan_33 wrote...

I was expecting a boss battle with Harbinger, myself. Since they didn't give me one, I came up with an idea on my own. What do ya think?

TO EVERYONE WANTING A BATTLE WITH HARBINGER:

With the Geth Fighter mission and the Project Overlord DLC, interacting with an AI world is possible soooo...

Using Indoc Theory, relying on plot change back to Dark Energy stated by this guy (awesome overall info and ideas), how about there is no interface or protocols for using the weapon? An interface could be brought by Geth or from Citadel maintenance VI overwhelming Shepherd like in Overlord. She/he sees everything that the Citadel sees and he mentally projects (points gun if necessary to keep a mental handle on the situation) damage to a nearby Reaper, the crucible fires and immense blast that rips the Reaper in half.

(mentally projecting defense in form of shields) Reapers attacks against the crucible fail. Harbinger attaches himeself to the Citadel and then Shepherd and Harbinger dialogue and then fight in the virtual world. War assest and readiness come into play at a crucial moment, when Hackett notices the the crucible is no longer firing and commands all available fleets to attack harbinger while he's attached to citadel, at the same moment Harbinger is winning the virtual world fight but if he is damaged significantly he can't maintain his virtual attacks on Shepherd.

Insert awesome quotes, fight sequences/moments, and there ya go.

THOUGHTS?? B)

Remind me why you're not working for BioWare again? That's the best ending I've heard yet. You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.


Kinda hard to get in the creative dept when your resume is all in the computer networking side, lol. Thanks for the compliment.

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DJBare wrote...

SkaldFish wrote...

I've posted this to the PR thread as well, b/c these threads move so fast. It's also a blog post here.
*snip*
[*]Hold the line!

Wow, very informative, thank you SkaldFish, that was an interesting read, I recommend everyone not to skip this post.

[*]Seconded. The part about silence being a good thing is strangely releving. Judging from the PR thread elsewhere and the above post. It would seem reasonable to conclude that the reaction to the game not only blindsided them, but has done so with so much force it has knocked all the fixtures askew. It certainly seems to have hit them so hard their PR department has had considerable difficulty figuring out how to contain the situation. As the PR thread noted events have moved at a lightning fast pace, and also seem to be on a scale unknown in the industry before. Certainly many of their attempts at the PR game have either not worked at all, or only been sucessful for a day at most...and in a few cases less than an hour.[*]I'm guessing that apart from 'what do we do now?', they are also asking 'how the hell did we get into this situation?' - especially considering they had a taste as to what could happen if they messed up a game too much with DA2. I would expect that more than a few people at Bioware are going to end up having to answer a lot of difficult questions, if they have not already.[*]One way or another it does seem clear that this reaction, and the movement, is making history regardless of the ultimate outcome. PR consultants will be using Mass Effect 3 and the retake movement as examples as to how to handle similar situations in future...especially when they start to realise that such movements are likely to contain people who know all the tricks of the trade. Not bad for a 'vocal minority' methinks ^_^