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[Hydralysk]

SlyTF1 wrote...

Well, I'm about to finish my second playthrough. Here's to getting the ending where Shepard lives...

You mean the 3 sec footage of a single breath? Like that youtube guy said, "That's not living, that's Bioware not being commited to the fact that he's dead".

Modifié par Hydralysk, 21 mars 2012 - 01:20 .

[KaiserinKai]

Bruinbear wrote...

DJBare wrote...

As posted by BobbyTheI

@DamonLindelof

No folks, I did NOT consult on the ending for MASS EFFECT 3. #Sheesh

Solid LOL there!

Wow, guess a lot of people made the connection between LOST and ME3's respective endings...

[Sniktchtherat]

Even if the battle is hopeless, it still must be fought.  Thermopylae.  The Alamo.  The Bulge.

Hold the line, no matter the cost.  Hold the line, for our dignity.  Hold the line, for those yet to come.

Hold the line.

[Hydralysk]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Bruinbear wrote...

DJBare wrote...

As posted by BobbyTheI

@DamonLindelof

No folks, I did NOT consult on the ending for MASS EFFECT 3. #Sheesh

Solid LOL there!

Wow, guess a lot of people made the connection between LOST and ME3's respective endings...

Or lack thereof....

[MeldarthX]

http://xbigygames.co...ct-3-purchases/

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-xbox-360-case/

These also popped up - Origin refunding that's interesting.....very

[VivaLaWhatsername]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Bruinbear wrote...

DJBare wrote...

As posted by BobbyTheI

@DamonLindelof

No folks, I did NOT consult on the ending for MASS EFFECT 3. #Sheesh

Solid LOL there!

Wow, guess a lot of people made the connection between LOST and ME3's respective endings...

http://i1192.photobu...90/c10e8949.jpg

[Computim]

Hydralysk wrote...

SlyTF1 wrote...

Well, I'm about to finish my second playthrough. Here's to getting the ending where Shepard lives...

You mean the 3 sec footage of a single breath? Like that youtube guy said, "That's not living, that's Bioware not being commited to the fact that he's dead".

Bout the only thing in the ending Bioware was consistent with their previous history on

[MeldarthX]

This is where you're wrong - I can understand how you think this - but remember this isn't a sprint -- get get as far as we have as quickly as we have is in itself amazing - revolutionary.

Old days to get a company to even admit some of their fans aka majority - dislike something of there would take months usually. We're rewriting the rules of PR.

ATG has confirmed this - along with others. Second - if there was no "The Truth" dlc already planned - I still have a theory they did - but that's another subject.

Right now - they are meeting to see how quickly something could be done and for how much - they will then put this against the econ of not doing anything. If one is greater than the other........we will get our fix.

Thirdly - we have them scared - terrified - because we most so quickly - anything they are trying to calm the storm - to try and generate good PR for themselves - we shut it done - we give our counter arguement. We do it calmly - respectfully.

There's been an influx of forums saying we love the endings - they die fast - move out. Those are created by BW and EA to try and flood out this sub; and So We can't get the ending we want. These two subs dominate the forums along with the ME3 suggestion forum. You honestly thing BW/EA want those subs at the top? Heck no - just keeps feeding our cause.

We're the top searches in google - again a nightmare for BW and EA - in the UK ME3 has dropped in sales by 74% - word of mouth is hitting - peopel are understanding why we are doing this; and getting behind us.

First time in history of gaming; gamers are actually being looked at as consumers and customers instead of just scum. Getting Forbes behind us; gettin noticed in main stream media. We were on front page of bbc news website.

HUGE - Their silence is deafing - their tweets of we are listen - They are and they are scared - they tested the waters possibly on early monday morning with saying there won't be any new ending content - It exploded on them - when you got to pull a community manager out of bed at 3 am - to keep it from completely boiling over. That's a PR nightmare - We keep the pressure on.......we will only have one chance to change history in gaming for the better.........THIS IS OUR CHANCE. They want people to start posting like this - they think the old PR rules still will work....

They won't - they are slowly learning this.

WE HOLD THE LINE -

Copying over what I wrote in PR forum for those that haven't seen.

[Trzeb]

On an unrelated note, one thing that has been keeping me happy lately is that forza 4 has brought back porsche to the series. Mainly because i love porsche, but also because the reason they weren't allowed in the game in the first place was because EA had some licensing deal with porsche. Despite that EA succumbed and gave us back porsche. I like to believe they'll do the same thing here, and give us our endings.

[Computim]

MeldarthX wrote...

http://xbigygames.co...ct-3-purchases/

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-xbox-360-case/

These also popped up - Origin refunding that's interesting.....very

Indeed.. Looks like EA's trying to isolate itself from Bioware.  Excellent damage control on their part.

Not to mention they're putting a lot of backing behind Origin

Modifié par Computim, 21 mars 2012 - 01:26 .

[christrek1982]

SkaldFish wrote...

I've posted this to the PR thread as well, b/c these threads move so fast. It's also a blog post here.

Just a few words of encouragement:

First: I think I may sometimes come across as some kind of know-it-all. The fact is I don't know very much about very much at all -- a fact that becomes clearer with each passing year. But, having been a practicing graphic artist, then working as a project manager, IT manager, programmer, software architect, and finally enterprise architect, over a 33-year career, I do think I understand corporations, and especially software product companies. So what I'm about to say isn't a posterior pull.

I see quite a few posts since yesterday from people who are either discouraged by the silence or are concluding "It's over" or some similar sentiment. In response, I'd like to make a few points that I hope will provide insight that encourages continued patience and resolve.

My disclaimer? Simple, in spite of long-term exposure to lots of corporate cultures, I could easily be wrong. The decision could already be made, and all that's left is a date to trigger an announcement. But it's opinion informed by experience. It's somewhere above a wild-ass guess and somewhere below insider information. So, for what it's worth:

• This will take time. It just will. Never forget that. I'm not the first to say that, but it bears repeating. Nothing happens quickly in a corporate environment. Nothing. This is especially true in an acquired business unit of a larger corporation. It's likely that there are "urgent" meetings regarding the ME3 ending whose reminders haven't even come up on calendars yet. We like to think we must be the only thing on BioWare executives' minds right now, but that's just not going to be the case.
• A company is not a hive mind. While this isn't the only issue on the executives' plates, some key decision makers and other key players at BioWare have not been able to think of anything BUT this issue since customers began to finish the game and discuss their experiences. That focus does not mean they are able to take any official action or make any statement, even if they personally feel they know what course should be taken. Escalation processes, market analysis timetables, change management procedures, and communication approval protocols are just a few of the hurdles that have to be crossed before any message can go out. Even if key decision makers have already reached a consensus (which is doubtful), they can't just pick a person to fire up a laptop and push out an email. It's also likely that there are internal power structures on both sides of this issue. The apple cart will have been upset, and some may be fighting to retain or gain credibility that earns them the right to be heard within the corporate culture.
• This is serious. There can be little doubt that BioWare, as they have said, are taking this seriously. If they had foreseen the possibility of this level of negative reaction, they would have prepared statements designed to close the door quickly, and these would have been issued immediately. (Microsoft, for example, folllows this approach whenever they plan to announce discontinuation of a product, and they execute the plan with precision.) Instead, the first official statement from BioWare didn't appear for days, and both it and subsequent statements -- even firefighting statements like the Facebook statement -- have been careful to leave options open. This is the behavior of a company that was blindsided to some degree and is very carefully weighing its options. This takes time (but not months of time), because...
• This is all about impact analysis. They're not weighing all the details of all the possible actions they could take. That would require many weeks of detailed analysis. They're weighing the impact of a small set of broadly framed approaches, like "continue with original post-release plan," looking at short- and long-term revenue impact, brand impact, and impact on their core demographics, across all their sales channels. While this doesn't take months, it brings together decision makers from multiple departments and involves unplanned expenditures from multiple cost centers. Issues surrounding that kind of collision of varying perspectives, goals, and budgets is not something that gets resolved quickly or in a single meeting.
• Silence is a good thing. The fact that we hear very little outside of approved channels, and misstatements are VERY quickly corrected, is a very strong indication that this is now designated a corporate-level public relations issue. Depending on BioWare's corporate culture, there have been company-wide team/department/business unit meetings, or perhaps minimally internal memos, detailing very clear and enforceable restrictions on employee communication on this subject outside the company until a decision has been made.
• None of this is personal. While I'm sure there are employees at BioWare who are angry or frustrated or feel insulted or disappointed or sad (and we've seen evidence of that on Twitter), that will never cross the corporate barrier, and I can assure you that no publicly-held corporation that wants to survive will ever make decisions based on personal feelings. The decision we hear will be based solely on factors related to revenue, market demographics, and public relations. The good news there is that all three of those factors are inextricably tied to us as consumers, and that's the main thing I urge you to remember.

Don't be discouraged. Don't fall silent. Don't let the natural tendency towards cynicism lure you into fatalism.

Even when the first response comes, don't let it be an "off" switch. Compare it with what we're asking for. If there are gaps, say "what about [these things]?" It's not over until each one of us decides s/he is satisfied with the result.

Hold the line!

thank you for your post I we all knew this is going to take time and Everyone has felt down or tired but in the end it comes down to two choices we can fall silent and allow EA/Bioware to sweep the whole thing under the rug or we can keep going keep triing.  in the end it is up to us.

Once again I thank you for you post and wish us all luck.

[TSC_1]

Cro730 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ndex/10335101/1
can anyone verify the claims of the OP of this topic?

Link to the original tweet.

[Iakus]

Bruinbear wrote...

DJBare wrote...

As posted by BobbyTheI

@DamonLindelof

No folks, I did NOT consult on the ending for MASS EFFECT 3. #Sheesh

Solid LOL there!

So much for that theory 

[TamiBx]

xHezz90 wrote...

http://i1192.photobu...90/c10e8949.jpg

So true <3
I hated the ending of Lost, but at least I knew what happened to the characters...

[TSC_1]

Computim wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

http://xbigygames.co...ct-3-purchases/

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-xbox-360-case/

These also popped up - Origin refunding that's interesting.....very

Indeed.. Looks like EA's trying to isolate itself from Bioware.  Excellent damage control on their part.

Not to mention they're putting a lot of backing behind Origin

That is interesting... when the chips are down, EA is going to back Origin over Bioware.

[DJBare]

Many of us knew from the beginning this was going to be a long haul, anyone expecting instant result will be sorely disappointed , even when(if) they make an announcement that addresses this issue, it will not be over, it will not be over until something is actually delivered, just remain steadfast in your resolve and hold the line.

[DJBare]

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BBC news technology section
Angry Joe Mass Effect 3 Review:
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Retake Mass Effect - Child's Play ***Please Donate***
Mass Effect 3 debacle - Pre-release developer quotes
Poll About The Ending
'Official' Poll For Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC
[POLL] What exactly would you change with the ending?
Official ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread
EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode ***Regularly UPDATED***
Retake Mass Effect Banner Templates
Mission Statement Thread
Retake Mass Effect Group on BSN ***Please Join***
Mass Effect 3 Resource Site with collection of statements and reports
Retake Mass Effect 3 Statistics
Retake Mass Effect on Facebook
IGN facebook page
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ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread
Retake Mass Effect 3 Endings - Extranet Site - Resource Collector
PC PowerPlay review
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[Stygian1]

Back on the Line. Any news?... preferably good.

[Tony208]

These endings have my friend completely demoralized. He was a straight up paragon in every single game all the time. I just watched him do his first renegade playthrough ever. He sabotaged the genophage, he sided with the Geth against the Quarians, then he killed the Geth with the red explosion.

[Jere85]

Alliance sandwich service, can i get any of you some refreshments?

[VivaLaWhatsername]

TamiBx wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

http://i1192.photobu...90/c10e8949.jpg

So true <3
I hated the ending of Lost, but at least I knew what happened to the characters...

I know right? I mean I watched and loved lost and was severely disappointed in the ending, but like you said at least we knew what happened to the character. Heck we even found out what happened to Boone and Ian Somerhalder must have been busy with The Vampire Diaries as well.

[TSC_1]

Stygian1 wrote...

Back on the Line. Any news?... preferably good.

They tweeted that we shouldn't expect a statement for at least a fortnight.

[FinalEndeavor]

Jere85 wrote...

Alliance sandwich service, can i get any of you some refreshments?

I'll take lots ant lots of ryncol! 

[MeldarthX]

Stygian1 wrote...

Back on the Line. Any news?... preferably good.

Well can't find the links as I just posted them - one place is giving away ME3 modded xbox360 for best written ME3 ending.

Another Origin - yes EA's Origin has refunded someone on ME3 - that's floodgate is now open

[Computim]

TSC_1 wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

Back on the Line. Any news?... preferably good.

They tweeted that we shouldn't expect a statement for at least a fortnight.

Sounds like they're shooting for PAX East timing.

Not exactly the best forum to announce you're changing the ending.. what with the main founder of PAX East not thinking you should haha.