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#52126
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Jere85 wrote...

I hope people at PAX arent the 5% here that reacts agressively and emotionally, that would be bad PR for what we are trying to do here, We have so many smart and decent people here, if 1 coocoohead decides its fun/righteous/good to charge the board like a hooligan, everything we are trying to stand for is finished because all attention will be deflected to that 1 jerk trying to be a "hero". So please, everyone that attends PAX, im from holland so i wont be coming, but please, bring your game face, know why you are there, know why you are holding the line.



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#52127
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Some information and humour to help people cope. If you can think of more, post them and I'll include them in this list and re-post every once in a while.

Reviews:

Gamefront's 5 reasons the fans are right
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/
Angry Joe's top 10 reasons to hate the ME3 ending

ME3 endings comparison

Jeremy Jahns ending review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4
Archengeia's thoughts on the ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUqAhKW7498&feature=youtu.be
The California Literary Review
http://calitreview.com/24673
Forbes' Myth of Entitlement
http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/
The Mary Sue review
http://www.themarysu...ee-as-possible/
BBC Technology News article
http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

Podcasts:

The Paranoid Gamer (Lions and Tigers and Bioware, Oh my!)
http://theparanoidga...-bioware-oh-my/
Spill.com (Ending spoiler review)
http://my.spill.com/...logPost:5224387

Inspirational stuff:

The Commander Shepard song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiRDJLcYua0
The Hold the Line video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JspE9ctseIU
Commander Shepard is still a jerk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PjTuSQNLI4
Mass Effect - In the End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCddYcOGYUg&feature=related


Satire and Parody:

ME3 Recontextualised
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWIimukNeAE
Mass Deffect 7 Shepard's Reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzYLTbQQEZQ&feature=related
The Animal House ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4iNJXrHA_I
Mass Deffect Monster Reaper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyoev5RzO_w
Japanime ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAmVVAjZZeM
Marauder Shields - He gave his life trying to save us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNoIwHychkY&feature=youtu.be
Marauder Shields comic strip
http://koobismo.devi...rt.com/gallery/

Twitter:

HarbytheReaper
https://twitter.com/#!/HarbyTheReaper

Images and Pictures:

VGCats #300
http://www.vgcats.co...ages/120318.jpg
What it should have said on the box
http://i14.photobuck...me3ba_super.jpg
What the kittens think of it all
http://i14.photobuck...s/ME3Boldly.jpg
Marauder Shields
http://koobismo.devi...andomize:1&qo=4

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#52128
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[quote]Benirus wrote...
Uh... I really hope that they say something way before those two weeks, or they'll find that when they announce whatever they want to announce nobody will care anymore.[/quote] Even if Bioware's tactics work and the storm eventually blows over, I don't think they realize that for every voice that goes silent it's a fan that has lost all hope for Bioware.

That person will most likely never want to have anything to do with them anymore. I can say that it's like that for me atleast... Far to often it's been proven that the only way we gamers really have a voice is by voting with our wallets.

The sad thing is that I want to support and belive in Bioware, but I don't even know if the people I'm looking at is Bioware anymore...

There is only one solution to this that works, everything else will just make everyone lose.

Hold the line!

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I believe long-term the Bioware brand is viable. Not sure how much they have been indoctrinated by the evil rEApers, though. But so far we have seen a progressive slide. The rEApers have an deserved rep as corrupting what they touch.

We may need a Paragon interrupt to prevent Bioware from eating a bullet.

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So... not even EA has BioWares back anymore?

http://www.inenterta...3-refund-trend/

#52130
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What the hell is this?
https://twitter.com/...188923588579329

Bioware so unbelievably ignorant. God I could puke right now,
We aren't even taken seriously.

#52131
Katsumi Liqueur

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MrFob wrote...

Wearyanna wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Damn, I just read about the original idea they had for the trilogy's ending back with Drew Karpyshyn. That would have been the most AWESOME ending EVER!!!
The whole choice you would have had at the ending would have been brilliant. Why oh why did they ever steer away from that after ME2. Damn!


Can you link to that doc/post please.

Wearyanna out Image IPB


Sorry, can't find the original post anymore. But I googled a link to some forum where the essentials are summed up in the 4th post (the big one with spoiler warnings). Here you go. Apparently hardly anyone else liked it but I think it would have been a very fitting ending.


Dark matter? "We" have dismissed that claim. :bandit:

#52132
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Now, after coming back from school and writing my Electrician "Exam" (Hopefully B or better) I am in a little mod to conspriacy theorys.

Reading those comments from EA CEO, the "We have something in stock" theory just appears more and more plausible. He is right though. If I invest myself into a game for days and weeks, if I am in the middle of a fight, I do not want it to stop. If they would say: "Hey, you could get the additonal 200 rescources you need in this SCII match to win and climb the ladder to diamond one.". Of course I would do it.

However, Bioware is "Unusual" quite at the moment. Comparing ending numbers? For what purpose? I can end the game 3 times, that will not mean I buy any games in the future and/or consider buying DLC. I think Bioware is well aware of what is happening at the moment. Ignoring it? No, they wont. They know, if they screw up now their fanbase is gone.

Now how about this:
How about Bioware is comparing the ending numbers to wait for the best possible time to actually release a "Pay to play" DLC for the endings. Judging by EA beeing the sponsor, and the quotes above, I can just imagine it right now. "You love the game? Then PAY for the end!".

I will hold the Line until this is trough. It is some interesting stuff to think about though.

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WarBaby2 wrote...

So... not even EA has BioWares back anymore?

http://www.inenterta...3-refund-trend/



just trying to shield their major money makers from this Shytstorm.....madden etc....got news for ya folks....it ain't working, fix the end or no more money for ea/bw

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MrFob wrote...
Sorry, can't find the original post anymore. But I googled a link to some forum where the essentials are summed up in the 4th post (the big one with spoiler warnings). Here you go. Apparently hardly anyone else liked it but I think it would have been a very fitting ending.

That dark engery ending makes more sense, since in our time, the dark energy is essential to hold clusters and galaxies together. It just makes sense that this energy is depleting or increasing over time and isn't that helpful anymore. Like CO² or O³ on our planet. Seeing Biowares skill to write awesome stories (not including the end) why they did not stick to the ending. OMG STORY LEAKED NOW WE MUST CHANGE. I certainly do not agree to that.

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AntiDave wrote...

What the hell is this?
https://twitter.com/...188923588579329

Bioware so unbelievably ignorant. God I could puke right now,
We aren't even taken seriously.


Who knew "bots" know how to be offensive :whistle:

#52136
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mulder1199 wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

So... not even EA has BioWares back anymore?

http://www.inenterta...3-refund-trend/



just trying to shield their major money makers from this Shytstorm.....madden etc....got news for ya folks....it ain't working, fix the end or no more money for ea/bw


They actually do this to get rid of people who don't like the ending. It works like a pressure release. You just use the argument:
"No need for us to change the game, you can get a refund lol. Just play something else kthxbye."

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AntiDave wrote...

What the hell is this?
https://twitter.com/...188923588579329

Bioware so unbelievably ignorant. God I could puke right now,
We aren't even taken seriously.


Yeah, that came up yesterday. There was some confusion and uproar over it. To be clear, they're saying that some people like the ending and that those people would be affronted by a change. They are not saying that Bioware would be affronted by a change.

I pointed out the confusion to the Twitter person, and suggested clarification. The guy basically said "Pfft. It's clear what I meant! It's impossible anyone could misinterpret!" Which I thought was a little rude. (Also, that's a paraphrase, not a quotation)

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LPKerberos wrote...

Now, after coming back from school and writing my Electrician "Exam" (Hopefully B or better) I am in a little mod to conspriacy theorys.

Reading those comments from EA CEO, the "We have something in stock" theory just appears more and more plausible. He is right though. If I invest myself into a game for days and weeks, if I am in the middle of a fight, I do not want it to stop. If they would say: "Hey, you could get the additonal 200 rescources you need in this SCII match to win and climb the ladder to diamond one.". Of course I would do it.

However, Bioware is "Unusual" quite at the moment. Comparing ending numbers? For what purpose? I can end the game 3 times, that will not mean I buy any games in the future and/or consider buying DLC. I think Bioware is well aware of what is happening at the moment. Ignoring it? No, they wont. They know, if they screw up now their fanbase is gone.

Now how about this:
How about Bioware is comparing the ending numbers to wait for the best possible time to actually release a "Pay to play" DLC for the endings. Judging by EA beeing the sponsor, and the quotes above, I can just imagine it right now. "You love the game? Then PAY for the end!".

I will hold the Line until this is trough. It is some interesting stuff to think about though.


that's the catch....they may be looking at the numbers and may add dlc for the ending, but ea has shown that their goal is to drag you in so you feel you have to get it....hey i'm already there, give me the dlc today and i'll but it......

that's the issue, try as we might, if we get change IMO we'll have to pay for it...

#52139
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The thing is, all they have to say is

"Hey, we know you're not happy. We're looking into how we can fix this. Just bear with us whilst we work out what to do."

The current policy of deafening silence is just making it worse.

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The theory that VI detects indoctrination in Shep is, im sorry to say, load of bs. People just hear what they want to hear. That said, it doesnt mean he wasnt indoctrinated later on.

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TSC_1 wrote...

AntiDave wrote...

What the hell is this?
https://twitter.com/...188923588579329

Bioware so unbelievably ignorant. God I could puke right now,
We aren't even taken seriously.


Yeah, that came up yesterday. There was some confusion and uproar over it. To be clear, they're saying that some people like the ending and that those people would be affronted by a change. They are not saying that Bioware would be affronted by a change.

I pointed out the confusion to the Twitter person, and suggested clarification. The guy basically said "Pfft. It's clear what I meant! It's impossible anyone could misinterpret!" Which I thought was a little rude. (Also, that's a paraphrase, not a quotation)


Lol, nicely surgarcoated. Hope is the bread of the poor my friend. Casey and Mac Walters are telling us all to eat cake. Just face it.

#52142
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DJBare wrote...

Aedera wrote...

They could end the movement with a yes we are doing a new ending or no you get space magic and nothing else. I just don't think there is that much more data they need to collect. But what do I know? The way bioware makes me feel, I am just a $.

Hate to break it to you soldier, but you ARE revenue, while some developers do genuiningly enjoy the interaction with the fans, at the end of the day it's about earning a living.

This would certainly be the worst time for them to state they are going to stick with the space magic, right now they are hoping things calm down a lot before they do anything.


+1, i think the same.

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Reporting in, missed anything?

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Bubi7 wrote...

MrFob wrote...
Sorry, can't find the original post anymore. But I googled a link to some forum where the essentials are summed up in the 4th post (the big one with spoiler warnings). Here you go. Apparently hardly anyone else liked it but I think it would have been a very fitting ending.

That dark engery ending makes more sense, since in our time, the dark energy is essential to hold clusters and galaxies together. It just makes sense that this energy is depleting or increasing over time and isn't that helpful anymore. Like CO² or O³ on our planet. Seeing Biowares skill to write awesome stories (not including the end) why they did not stick to the ending. OMG STORY LEAKED NOW WE MUST CHANGE. I certainly do not agree to that.


That's Dark Matter.  Dark Energy is something else..

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Does anyone know how to contact Paul Barnett (Senior Creative Director Bioware-Mythic)? I can't find a mail adress or anything.

#52146
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TSC_1 wrote...

AntiDave wrote...

What the hell is this?
https://twitter.com/...188923588579329

Bioware so unbelievably ignorant. God I could puke right now,
We aren't even taken seriously.


Yeah, that came up yesterday. There was some confusion and uproar over it. To be clear, they're saying that some people like the ending and that those people would be affronted by a change. They are not saying that Bioware would be affronted by a change.

I pointed out the confusion to the Twitter person, and suggested clarification. The guy basically said "Pfft. It's clear what I meant! It's impossible anyone could misinterpret!" Which I thought was a little rude. (Also, that's a paraphrase, not a quotation)


simple solution, add dlc much like the alleged 'rescue' dlc that was talked about and us 'whiners' get our closure or add another ending to the endgame that leads to a better ending....hell...add two, one that lets you wake up from indoctrination....it can all be dlc for all i give a crap, just let us choose, like you promised, casey....

#52147
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AntiDave wrote...

They actually do this to get rid of people who don't like the ending. It works like a pressure release. You just use the argument:
"No need for us to change the game, you can get a refund lol. Just play something else kthxbye."


Ok, maybe... but it's hard to believe BW would stand for it... then again...

#52148
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MrFob wrote...

Wearyanna wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Damn, I just read about the original idea they had for the trilogy's ending back with Drew Karpyshyn. That would have been the most AWESOME ending EVER!!!
The whole choice you would have had at the ending would have been brilliant. Why oh why did they ever steer away from that after ME2. Damn!


Can you link to that doc/post please.

Wearyanna out Image IPB


Sorry, can't find the original post anymore. But I googled a link to some forum where the essentials are summed up in the 4th post (the big one with spoiler warnings). Here you go. Apparently hardly anyone else liked it but I think it would have been a very fitting ending.


Thank you very interesting to read.

Wearyanna out Image IPB 

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Phaedros wrote...

Bubi7 wrote...

MrFob wrote...
Sorry, can't find the original post anymore. But I googled a link to some forum where the essentials are summed up in the 4th post (the big one with spoiler warnings). Here you go. Apparently hardly anyone else liked it but I think it would have been a very fitting ending.

That dark engery ending makes more sense, since in our time, the dark energy is essential to hold clusters and galaxies together. It just makes sense that this energy is depleting or increasing over time and isn't that helpful anymore. Like CO² or O³ on our planet. Seeing Biowares skill to write awesome stories (not including the end) why they did not stick to the ending. OMG STORY LEAKED NOW WE MUST CHANGE. I certainly do not agree to that.


That's Dark Matter.  Dark Energy is something else..


And, in the real world, neither is running out or building up.

But this is way off-topic.

Modifié par TSC_1, 21 mars 2012 - 02:24 .


#52150
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This silence could be also taken as to "Wait for the perfect time to announce the ending.". The outcome will be biggest if the outrage is the loudest.

Now, Bioware is not stupid. They are a big company, they are not 3 people sitting in a basement. I think they KNOW:
"Either we change it, we add something, or we loose millions of dollars every year.". With EA beeing a sponsor, I can see a great deal in EA demanding Bioware to release the ending in a DLC which EVERYONE will buy just to get more money. If you have invested hundreds of hours, you want a worthy end. And who here would not pay for it?

With the pressure going on now, no company would keep quite over such a long time if there was not a A+ backup plan in stock.

"Why not go into detail now? Everyone knows the endings.". Yes, but not everyone actually has this emotional state we have right now. We WANT it to end, no matter what the price. Others maybe not. So wait until more complete the game, and then release it. We are in this for the long haul. They know, one week more or less won't kill everything.

The refund thing is actually not by Bioware, but by some companies themselves. When I was in a Media Markt today and asked about it they said: "No, No refunds.". If Bioware would want to get rid of us, the order for refunds would be everywhere, not just amazon and Origin. It is simply a matter of saying: "If you are not happy, we will refund you.". It is to keep bad critics because of wasted money at bay. It would also contradict with gambles post: "If fans knew what is to come, the reaction would be different.". He is NOT a fool. He knows that the only different reaction (Happiness) would be a new ending.