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[The Big Palooka]

Guys, we seriously need to close ranks on this and stand our ground.

I honestly don't like the sound of this.  We don't just want clarity, we don't want a dlc released that just justifies the starchild with more dialogue.  We want more options, we want choices.  We don't want to be told why we can't have more choices.

We also are absolutely not interested in "new Mass Effect content and new full games" until this issue is resolved to our satisfaction.

This is not, and never has been about wanting more Mass Effect content.

Hold the Line.

[harvestboygoobus]

I agree with a lot of people here and say that Muzyka's post doesn't necessarily mean the fight is won here... But it certainly means we have gained some ground! And we now know that the team is working on "something" that will address our concerns and provide closure. For all we know, that could be epilogue slides, or it could be a completely new ending sequence in addition to what we already have (keep in mind that he indicated that they wanted artistic integrity as well). Still vague, still much of the "Keep talking, we're listening" that we've been getting for a while... But it's a heck of a lot better to hear it from one of the co-founders of Bioware, rather than the Mass Effect twitter feed.

Keep holding the line!

[KGSReaper]

vrmcardoso wrote...

Oh cmon people... We are going to start beeing childish now?

the man literally says they will adress the concerns about the ending in furture content. That's what we asked!

They also said we'd get 16 different endings, which really took into account how we played the game. Look where that went. Trust noone. This is just another stall without saying anything usefull other than "we are now aware that you are too many for our initial condescending approach, so here is a statement that sounds like we care. But promises nothing."

[sumillebonus]

SpuDSheraM wrote...

The reaction to the release of Mass Effect 3 has been unprecedented. On one hand, some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s. Net, I’m proud of the team, but we can and must always strive to do better.

Good news?

Just released, worth a read!
http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

There's no doubt that Bioware games are critically acclaimed... but I would love to be a fly on the wall during their quarterly share holder's meeting when they announce "We only sold 75 copies of our newest game... and we sold them all to critics... but don't worry, they LOVED it!"

The criticism they need to heed is that of their fanbase - you know, the people who give them money for their products.

[Ihatebadgames]

Isn't he the one that said more or less RPGs were dead?

[Victia]

Well that statement is nothing not PR spin!

I was amazed today by hoow many second hand copies of ME3 I saw and the fact that I witnessed at least 7 people pick it up and express variations of 'great game but the ending is ****', just drills home that alot more people than bioware realise where unhappy with the game! Hold the line and we will get the ending we deserve as partons of this art :-)

[DJBare]

If you are going to break ranks, then perhaps you should not be in this army, sorry, I had to say it, we cannot keep knee jerking at everything Bioware says.

[rizengrad]

I wonder what atghunter is going to say about that latest statement. It doesn't sound like Ray said anything new- it's just the usual 'but look at our score it's so pretty' PR stuff.

We're still not in the clear yet. Hold the line!

[TumblingBumblebee]

Jere85 wrote...

I know Tumbling, ive read it aswell, and i see how he deflects alot of stuff, but what i do read from it, as stated above, is that they are actually agreeing to sort something out, doing something about it, that counts for me.

It has some sort of different ring about it, compared to the old statements but I think that, after reading this, we have to stand even stronger and voice our dissatisfaction about the ending even more.

"It takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place." - We can't let some hope make us lose our focus.

Keep it civil and hold the line... probably until April!

[Atrocity]

The Big Palooka wrote...


Oh....dear.

Answer questions? More clarity? Further closure?

That doesn't really sound like they're actually considering changing anything, tbh.  It sounds more like adding content which will justify the current endings as they stand.  Which is a problem for me.

I hope I'm wrong.

Indeed.
Also, I really, REALLY don't like the tone of this. 

However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s. Net, I’m proud of the team, but we can and must always strive to do better.

Yes, because it doesn't matter what regular gamers think. I hate so much this kind of 'authority' thinking in games, I really do, for obvious reasons.

Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive

Oh boy, I could go on rest of the day with this alone. Let's see... 'heat of passion', indicating he thinks our reactions and arguments were an unthought temper tantrum, thus discrediting them.  Also, note how we are still called passionate fans...

'...even if founded on valid principles'
Indicating that in his mind, we are not. If indicates once again remoteness from reality/possibility, and the same wonderful preterite 'founded' fortifying the impact of 'no, this really did not happen'. 

Also, destructive rather than constructive? Please...
Also loving the way he ends his text to a suggestion to 'do research'. While I usually don't get riled up with this kind of things, this is bordering such an impolite and downright rude text, it's getting so hard to be polite. Which probably is just his purpose.

[Akodoreign]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Well, maybe someone should answer him in a civil manner and respectful on Twitter

https://twitter.com/#!/raymuzyka

My reply to him was.

@RayMuzyka @bioware http://pc.gamespy.co.../1220833p1.html Changing endings does not have to impede artistic integrity keep the fans however minor happy!

[naes1984]

Why do these people think that their product is untouchable? Movies and videogames are 2 entirely different mediums. Orson Welles wouldn't change Citizen Kane but citizen is a 2 hour MOVIE, Mass Effect is an INTERACTIVE gaming experience. If the folks at Bioware are so precious about their artistic integrity than there is no point in patching a product for technical glitches because that would screw with the original product. I get a bad feeling that they are looking for the most tactful way to marginalize us and ignore us. They still think we are too stupid to understand the endings. At least that what I got from Dr.'s statement.

[TerrifiedKiz]

"Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary."

In other words they've noticed that the so called "vocal minority" began to hurt their sales... none of us attacked or harrased BW employees. In fact, we tell others every single day to not to do that.

Aside from this i'm glad that Dr. Muzyka responded. It's certainly a big step.

HOLD THE LINE!

Modifié par TerrifiedKiz, 21 mars 2012 - 03:30 .

[baronkohinar]

Regardless of how one takes it, the result is the same: negative, remain civil and hold the line 'til things change. Positive, hold the line 'til they actually give us something tangible. Until then, a statement is nice, but unless they actually do something words are merely wind.

[Nayt Navare]

I appreciate him taking the time to respond, and I more appreciate that he gave us a time frame to expect more news (April), but the fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority, I've seen, dislike the endings, regardless of how critics respond.

Still, the team did some excellent work, and that should not be discounted.

Conversely, neither should the complaints of the community.

[Computim]

naes1984 wrote...

Why do these people think that their product is untouchable? Movies and videogames are 2 entirely different mediums. Orson Welles wouldn't change Citizen Kane but citizen is a 2 hour MOVIE, Mass Effect is an INTERACTIVE gaming experience. If the folks at Bioware are so precious about their artistic integrity than there is no point in patching a product for technical glitches because that would screw with the original product. I get a bad feeling that they are looking for the most tactful way to marginalize us and ignore us. They still think we are too stupid to understand the endings. At least that what I got from Dr.'s statement.

Not to mention Bioware already set precedent by changing their novels for the exact same reasons we want the ending fixed/completed

[naes1984]

TerrifiedKiz wrote...

"Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary."

In other words they noticed that the so called "vocal minority" began to hurt their sales... none of us attacked or harrased BW employees. In fact, we tell others every single day to not to do that.

Aside from this i'm glad that Dr. Muzyka responded. It's certainly a big step.

HOLD THE LINE!

They are trying to cast themselves as victims to an unruly mob which does not exist.

[bellabri287]

"We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received."

No Happy ending with Shep & LI.

"Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback. As artists, we care about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support."

We trusted you to end the story properly and not create more confusion.

[Jere85]

Holding the line proudly, knowing from whatever happens, we made a difference, they had no plans on changing the ending, they do now, thats the bottom line. Do we want more? absolutely, Will we get more? we dont know, Ray doesnt know either, what he says is just speculation at this point, they dont know what they are going to do, albeit just closure or extra DLC, he said they are still looking at whatever we throw at them. So keep the wall strong, keep it warm and cozy, but do realise this is better then what we had. The specifics can be worked out later.

[mulder1199]

it's official, folks, they made a statement....this is standard....at this point with the way the game is tranding and the growing support of the poor endings and returns, this is damage control.....

he clearly states this-we'll say more in april......in english 'hold onto your game at this point, that's when things will be clearer'....i can live with this, i planned to all along to see how they took care of this

but make no mistake, it's still damage control....they knew they couldn't get the whole way to PAX without making a statement, trying to save some face....

lastly, but not least.....THIS IS DESIGNED TO TAKE SOME WIND OUT OF THE SALES HERE....i'm an optimist, but this is designed for optimists to say, OK, THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING.....

dont' let it fool you, if they fix it great, but until then WE MUST HOLD THE LINE!

[Katsumi Liqueur]

PR bull****.

Stay together.

Hold the line.

Keep the pressure.

We will won!

For Marauder Shields, Ashley and evebody else that die on my Shep!

[evisneffo]

Hmm. It feels a little more solid than what we've been given previously, and it's good that he's at least specified something like a timeframe for further news. The thing that annoys me most from the statement is this part:

On one hand, some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded ... However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional ...

...as though liking the game as a whole and disliking the ending are mutually exclusive. Not what a lot of people have been saying!

But reading everyone else's posts, the cynicism is taking hold. HOWEVER, whether or not this gives you any optimism, let's not respond rudely. If it's not what you want to hear at this point, then ignore it and keep doing what you do.

[danvla]

I feel like I was slapped in the face. For a second time.

[TumblingBumblebee]

TerrifiedKiz wrote...

"Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary."

In other words they've noticed that the so called "vocal minority" began to hurt their sales... none of us attacked or harrased BW employees. In fact, we tell others every single day to not to do that.

Aside from this i'm glad that Dr. Muzyka responded. It's certainly a big step.

HOLD THE LINE!

You made me remember I didn't like at all how he talked about the people attacking and harassing Bioware staff. That's just a way to make us look bad as a whole... It's like calling a swimming pool a sewer because you found a leaf in it.