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[Rappeldrache]

Does somebody know if "Giving the game back at AMAZON" works only in USA or also in Europe?

Modifié par Rappeldrache, 21 mars 2012 - 03:33 .

[mulder1199]

SE JN wrote...

I appreciate him taking the time to respond, and I more appreciate that he gave us a time frame to expect more news (April), but the fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority, I've seen, dislike the endings, regardless of how critics respond.

Still, the team did some excellent work, and that should not be discounted.

Conversely, neither should the complaints of the community.

the fact that he rehashes the point that almost 100% of people have said is what really gets me....

it's basically fact at this point that the game was great dr. ray.....the majority (and make no mistake, it is) are sitting there at the end going WTF, WTF, SMH, etc...

[Phoenix-Warden]

d-boy15 wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

Here is something news from Dr. Ray Muzyka

The only thing I read is blablabla... o.O sorry, but is it really so hard to give a straight answer?!

[robson01]

So we have to wait until April to the "true" answer, fine.

Hold the line.


 

[Jere85]

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

Any news?

This: http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

[sumillebonus]

FYI - according to Wikipedia's entry on Ray Muzyka - he's the CEO of BioWare Corp and a Sr. VP for EA in charge of the Bioware label ... and this movement got him to address the issue directly. So, whatever numbers they've been crunching the past two weeks must have taken the polish off their projected annual sales figures.

If that doesn't scream "FIX IT! FIX IT! FIX IT!" - nothing does.

[chujwamdotego]

Akodoreign wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Well, maybe someone should answer him in a civil manner and respectful on Twitter

https://twitter.com/#!/raymuzyka

My reply to him was.

@RayMuzyka @bioware http://pc.gamespy.co.../1220833p1.html Changing endings does not have to impede artistic integrity keep the fans however minor happy!

We should follows this soldier's example.

Let's communicate with Dr. Muzyka via twitter and let him know that we appreciate his response, but remain sceptical.

I just looked over Dr. Muzyka's twitter and there are mainly thanks for "great" ending.

Remain active and civil people.

We may yet pull it off.

[KaiserinKai]

Atrocity wrote...

The Big Palooka wrote...


Oh....dear.

Answer questions? More clarity? Further closure?

That doesn't really sound like they're actually considering changing anything, tbh.  It sounds more like adding content which will justify the current endings as they stand.  Which is a problem for me.

I hope I'm wrong.

Indeed.
Also, I really, REALLY don't like the tone of this. 

However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s. Net, I’m proud of the team, but we can and must always strive to do better.

Yes, because it doesn't matter what regular gamers think. I hate so much this kind of 'authority' thinking in games, I really do, for obvious reasons.

Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive

Oh boy, I could go on rest of the day with this alone. Let's see... 'heat of passion', indicating he thinks our reactions and arguments were an unthought temper tantrum, thus discrediting them.  Also, note how we are still called passionate fans...

'...even if founded on valid principles'
Indicating that in his mind, we are not. If indicates once again remoteness from reality/possibility, and the same wonderful preterite 'founded' fortifying the impact of 'no, this really did not happen'. 

Also, destructive rather than constructive? Please...
Also loving the way he ends his text to a suggestion to 'do research'. While I usually don't get riled up with this kind of things, this is bordering such an impolite and downright rude text, it's getting so hard to be polite. Which probably is just his purpose.

This.

...Just this

He's treating us like a bunch of 5 year olds stomping our feet in a fanboy rage, rather than consumers who are unhappy with a product due to false advertising.

[mulder1199]

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

Any news?

yeah, good with the bad though

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

[Benirus]

I'm sorry but I have to point out that there is something severly wrong with the following statement from Dr. Ray Muzyka

Building on their research, Exec Producer
Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content
initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity
for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on
this in April.  We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between
the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan
feedback we’ve received.  This is in addition to our existing plan to
continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest
assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will,
continue.

If they where really working on making new endings, why not state it? Someone pointed this out earlier, but this can simply be DLC that makes the current ending make more sense, and because of the sorry state of the ending, I dread that any fix to help it make more sense is only going to damage it more.

Hold the line people, we want the endings we where promised.

ps: Yes I think the article was insulting.

Modifié par Benirus, 21 mars 2012 - 03:36 .

[naes1984]

Maybe we should have seen the red flags with Dragon age 2- a game I find to be even more infuriating than ME3. They do not care about their fans. It's fairly obvious that to them we are a bunch of self-entitled rubes whose brains were too small to understand their obviously rushed disaster of an ending.

[HITMAN629]

"So excuse me if I dont get the chance to kiss the hand that slapped me the face, hey Im just a man." - Thats my response to the letter

Modifié par HITMAN629, 21 mars 2012 - 03:36 .

[Aedera]

Everyone needs to relax a bit. We got a direct statement from pretty much the biggest name we could get from bioware. He even said they are working to address the questions we have. Our job now is to not let them forget about their words. Keep having active discussions regarding our displeasure of the ending(s) but keep it civil. The gnashing of teeth and anger can get out of hand. I am just as mad as everyone but keep it civil.

The thing that bothers me is that it really looks like the indoctrination theory isn't what they were doing. I still dont see how they could have lost all control of the story right at the end. I mean, EVERYTHING just fell apart.

But overall, we got direct feedback and a bit more of a conformation they are going to do something about it. Not enough for me to stop posting but i do at least feel like it is progress.

[Computim]

Aedera wrote...

Everyone needs to relax a bit. We got a direct statement from pretty much the biggest name we could get from bioware. He even said they are working to address the questions we have. Our job now is to not let them forget about their words. Keep having active discussions regarding our displeasure of the ending(s) but keep it civil. The gnashing of teeth and anger can get out of hand. I am just as mad as everyone but keep it civil.

The thing that bothers me is that it really looks like the indoctrination theory isn't what they were doing. I still dont see how they could have lost all control of the story right at the end. I mean, EVERYTHING just fell apart.

But overall, we got direct feedback and a bit more of a conformation they are going to do something about it. Not enough for me to stop posting but i do at least feel like it is progress.

*tips over a random shuttle* I AM RELAXED!

[baronkohinar]

The cynical part of me feels like they're just waiting 'til April 'cause that's when the one-month window expires to return the game to Amazon for a full refund...

[DJBare]

KaiserinKai wrote...


He's treating us like a bunch of 5 year olds stomping our feet in a fanboy rage, rather than consumers who are unhappy with a product due to false advertising.

Then do not prove him right.

Modifié par DJBare, 21 mars 2012 - 03:37 .

[Nilofeliu]

From Dr. Ray Muzyka, co-founder of BioWare

"If you are a Mass Effect fan and have input for the team – we respect your opinion and want to hear it. We’re committed to address your constructive feedback as best we can. In return, I’d ask that you help us do that by supporting what I truly believe is the best game BioWare has yet crafted. I urge you to do your own research: play the game, finish it and tell us what you think. Tell your friends if you feel it’s a good game as a whole. Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback. As artists, we care about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support." (bold is my own)

The bold part is the entire problem in my opinion. Trust. As Bioware's late behavior I just can't find eny trust left in the company. Some of you are already cheering because of this article and some going as far as saying that we have won. This isn't true. We have not won, and this entire article is just another pretense meant to cool us down and forget about the movement.

As far as I was able to perceive, he didn't lie about anything, however, he didn't tell us anything we didn't previously know. This is the same kind of announcements we have been getting for the past week where Bioware states they are reviewing our feedback and that all critics are being taken into consideration. But they haven't told us anything yet about what they plan to do.

And the answer is simple. They have no plans, and so far they are only worried about damage control. They want us to return meekly to our lives and let go of this. They do not want to share Mass Effect 3 with us, because they believe deep in it is not ours, therefore, they have no need to share. They also believe, as many Bioware represantatives have already claimed that the ending is "perfect" and no changes are needed.

For over a week I have been posting critics and statements asking  Bioware to prove me wrong. Hoping they will find in their hearts that appeasing the customers is the best business call they can make, and not only  a PR one. But so far, all we got is silence followed by empty words.

This will not do Bioware. Acknowledge your wrongdoings and mistakes, acknowledge the sub par game you threw as us hoping we would he happy with whatever we got as long as it had you logo stamped on it, and once you do acknowledge it and your mistakes, apologise. Only then, we will be able to start trusting you again.

/Salute

And holding the line

[starjay001]

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received." - Dr. Ray Muzyka.

I hope Dr. Ray sees some sense in a VAST majority of fans who deserve a decent ending to ME 3. If Bioware pull a rabbit out the hat then I shall continue to support them in their new projects in the future. It's good to see someone from Bioware breaking the silence although I would appreciate Mr. Casey Hudson to come out and release a detailed statement about what the ME 3 team intends to do to rectify this mess in the coming days.

[TSC_1]

The Big Palooka wrote...

Oh....dear.

Answer questions? More clarity? Further closure?

That doesn't really sound like they're actually considering changing anything, tbh.  It sounds more like adding content which will justify the current endings as they stand.  Which is a problem for me.

I hope I'm wrong.

That's exactly my concern. Dr. Muzyka makes it seem that Bioware is considering adding content that explains the terrible endings instead of replacing them.

That's unacceptable. It isn't an improvement at all.

Modifié par TSC_1, 21 mars 2012 - 03:37 .

[d-boy15]

I consider this is some kind of PR with a little bit of insult.

Keep pushing. It's still far from over, we can't let them win that easily.

Modifié par d-boy15, 21 mars 2012 - 03:38 .

[chmarr]

To Mass Effect 3 players, from Dr. Ray Muzyka, co-founder of BioWare Wrote......

As co-founder and GM of BioWare, I’m very proud of the ME3 team; I personally believe Mass Effect 3 is the best work we’ve yet created. So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations. Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility.
I believe passionately that games are an art form, and that the power of our medium flows from our audience, who are deeply involved in how the story unfolds, and who have the uncontested right to provide constructive criticism. At the same time, I also believe in and support the artistic choices made by the development team. The team and I have been thinking hard about how to best address the comments on ME3’s endings from players, while still maintaining the artistic integrity of the game.
Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story that it was hard for us to predict the range of emotions players would feel when they finished playing through it. The journey you undertake in Mass Effect provokes an intense range of highly personal emotions in the player; even so, the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us. This is an issue we care about deeply, and we will respond to it in a fair and timely way. We’re already working hard to do that.
To that end, since the game launched, the team has been poring over everything they can find about reactions to the game – industry press, forums, Facebook, and Twitter, just to name a few. The Mass Effect team, like other teams across the BioWare Label within EA, consists of passionate people who work hard for the love of creating experiences that excite and delight our fans. I’m honored to work with them because they have the courage and strength to respond to constructive feedback.
Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.
The reaction to the release of Mass Effect 3 has been unprecedented. On one hand, some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s. Net, I’m proud of the team, but we can and must always strive to do better.
Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary.
If you are a Mass Effect fan and have input for the team – we respect your opinion and want to hear it. We’re committed to address your constructive feedback as best we can. In return, I’d ask that you help us do that by supporting what I truly believe is the best game BioWare has yet crafted. I urge you to do your own research: play the game, finish it and tell us what you think. Tell your friends if you feel it’s a good game as a whole. Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback. As artists, we care about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support.
Thank you for your feedback – we are listening.
Ray

75"critics" wow 75 out of thousands, hmmm the 75 critics are the ones that love ea (or have worked for them in the past).
"some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded"
try MOST (if not all)
as for the destructive comments, there have been only a HANDFUL of them the rest have ALL BEEN CONSTRUCTIVE and all of our letters, emails and in some cases telephone calls have all asked who thought of the endings and why were they 95% the same, and why so many pictures, photographs were taken from websites (in some cases personal facebook images, (i had to send a lawyers letter to bioware when i spotted a facebook picture of mine in the game).

we feel it was rushed as they were still doing voice acting in DECEMBER, editing in january, theres been so much rushed into it i think bioware should come clean and admit they screwed up, i feel they did all the DLC first then the actual game, if the game was done first then it would have been released at the end of 2011, but i feel they did somethings wrong and somethings right (mostly wrong in the planning stage of development).

the endings were run side by side and were identiclal
www.youtube.com/watch

the ending was rushed.

the DLC "from the ashes" is an integral part of the story which was ON THE DISC as found by modders, so what was the file we downloaded ( i have ME3 for the pc and ran the game without downloading the DLC and entered a one line of code into a subscript in the file system of the game and got the whole prothean dlc)

we were lied to, then decived so yes i think that "some" fans are more like "99% of the fans hated being lied and decived to and taken for suckers, some of the staff have been ignorant calling us "whiners" some staff actually being caught trying to boost poll's in there favour (off site indipendant polls with IP# stamps FTW)

so being told this is SOME kind of win but only PARCIAL, as for april, why is everything delayed till april, OH yes thats right the NEW TAX YEAR

[Matt_gekko88]

Maybe we'll get an "April fool guys!"...

[DJBare]

Find below some important links you may want to follow.
Added some inspiritational links, check them out.

TO MASS EFFECT 3 PLAYERS, FROM DR. RAY MUZYKA, CO-FOUNDER OF BIOWARE
BBC news technology section
Angry Joe Mass Effect 3 Review:
Angry Joe 10 plot holes created by ending:
Retake Mass Effect - Child's Play ***Please Donate***
Mass Effect 3 debacle - Pre-release developer quotes
Poll About The Ending
'Official' Poll For Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC
[POLL] What exactly would you change with the ending?
Official ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread
EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode ***Regularly UPDATED***
Retake Mass Effect Banner Templates
Mission Statement Thread
Retake Mass Effect Group on BSN ***Please Join***
Mass Effect 3 Resource Site with collection of statements and reports
Retake Mass Effect 3 Statistics
Retake Mass Effect on Facebook
IGN facebook page
Retake Mass Effect on Youtube
ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread
Retake Mass Effect 3 Endings - Extranet Site - Resource Collector
PC PowerPlay review
Mass Effect 3 Ending and Why We Hate It!
TAKE IT BACK! - Official Mass Effect 3 Music Video by Miracle Of Sound & Bioware
Retake Mass Effect on Twitter
@RetakeME3

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