101103 réponses à ce sujet

[Jere85]

TSC_1 wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

People... stop complaining about him being vague please, he has to be in order to keep up with whatever they are planning, at least he's saying something, and what he says is positive news, i would call it a win at any day, its all we could ask for after getting the silent treatment for so long. Seriously take what you can get, stop being greedy.

Thanks Ray, you da man!

That's exactly the reaction they want. We can't do that. We need to keep pushing, or we won't get what we want in the end.

That said, I'm glad Dr. Muzyka took the time to speak with us. I'm just not going to pretend that we've already won or that this is finished. That won't happen until Bioware says "We screwed up and are releasing a DLC that changes the ending to ME3."

I admit i was too positive the first time around, its just that after not hearing anything for so long... i got carried away... Holding the line.

[naes1984]

I know it is a big debate but the art of videogames is different than the art of movies ,paintings or novels. It is not selling your soul to change a videogame in the same way it might be for a movie or painting. These are unlike genres in kind. Bioware needs to not be so defensive about their artistic integrity.

[wantedman dan]

I'll take this blog post as a victory of a singular battle, not the entire war. Either way, this is a success and should be reveled as such--but that does not mean we should keep fighting for them to give us the closure they promised.

[Benirus]

LethesDeep wrote...

Mattroy wrote...

 "Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."
This is the only thing I took away from the article, which could just be him talking about regular DLC they already had planned. Still, the whole journal was neither here nor there so I'm gonna keep holding the line until we get a definitive "yes" or "no". 
Also, 75 reviewers? That's a vocal minority compared to what we've gathered here.

Aye, that is a small sample, even by reviewer standards.

Bold part: This scares me. It seems like they're just going to expand and justify the endings instead of giving us what we're asking for: multiple endings that take previous choices into account.

Exactly, if they where working on the endings why not say anything?!

It's to shady and seem more like a PR trick to gain support of the people who don't understand the situation.

[chujwamdotego]

Arkhn7 wrote...

"the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3"

From Dr. Muzyka's message.

Current ? What does that imply ? 

I didn't see at first, but You're right.

It does say "current"!!!

Maybe there is hope.

Holding the line stronger than ever before!!!

[HITMAN629]

Arkhn7 wrote...

"the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3"

From Dr. Muzyka's message.

Current ? What does that imply ? 

A small hint between boasting about review scores

[Alamandorious]

Alright, apparently something big happened.

Can someone link me to whatever happened?

[Aramintai]

Not buying it. Don't get your hopes high yet, guys. The way he says that they're planning something doesn't sound like an ending DLC at all. More like some documentary or podcast to explain us, stupid fans, the meaning of those "artistic" endings.

[DJBare]

firstarioch wrote...

http://www.telegraph...new-ending.html

Me again! !! Take that bioware! !

Way to go firstarioch!, thank you for your efforts, this is another fantastic war asset!

[nitefyre410]

Look everyone Chill out hold the line... don't attack the man.. he is being vague on purpose... ignore his underhanded shot at us by using destructive, etc,etc and keep hammering the point home....  The point is "that as  Long time Customers of BioWare we will not stand for the lack of quality in these endings. If you want our continued business then these endings need to change." 

Its quality be fair, be frank be civil but honest and don't mince words. You can be harshly critical of the endings and attack the creator.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 21 mars 2012 - 03:47 .

[LolaLei]

I guess plot holes are all the rage this season. :-S

[naes1984]

Notice he disabled comments on his blog. Gee, I wonder why?

[Computim]

They said April. I'll give them til April 2nd. I can't go past that or it'll be past the 30 day return time for Amazon.

If I haven't received a satisfactory response of the level: "We will be redoing/completing/finishing/fixing the ending", I'll be returning my copy of Mass Effect 3. If they decide, after that, that they want to come out with a definitive answer I'll repurchase it along with the online pass code (which should be right about the same price with the current plummet in price).

PAX East is too far off, and I, frankly, don't trust that they'll actually do something about this once they have our money. It's disappointing.. I'm losing faith in my favourite gaming company

[Fox544]

http://videogames.me...rimary-endings/

[Nilofeliu]

Jere85 wrote...

People... stop complaining about him being vague please, he has to be in order to keep up with whatever they are planning, at least he's saying something, and what he says is positive news, i would call it a win at any day, its all we could ask for after getting the silent treatment for so long. Seriously take what you can get, stop being greedy.

Thanks Ray, you da man!

Sorry to disagree with you but no way that article is enough. Not even close to that. Bioware played us for fools, then ignored us, trolled us all while the media called us offensive names not even worthy mentioning in here.

And now, just because this guy claims they will be taking our feedback into consideration all is well? No way. I am not a child to be patronized or someone with in dire need of attention.

People, this is just another PR stunt meant to drive us away from our cause. All that was said is that the feedback would be taken into consideration, but in no point he assured us that something would be done about it.

At least I have to give credit when credit is due. Their PR strategy has actually improved.

/Salute

AND HOLD THE LINE

[The Big Palooka]

TSC_1 wrote...

The Big Palooka wrote...

Oh....dear.

Answer questions? More clarity? Further closure?

That doesn't really sound like they're actually considering changing anything, tbh.  It sounds more like adding content which will justify the current endings as they stand.  Which is a problem for me.

I hope I'm wrong.

That's exactly my concern. Dr. Muzyka makes it seem that Bioware is considering adding content that explains the terrible endings instead of replacing them.

That's unacceptable. It isn't an improvement at all.

The really disheartening part is how easily I can see this happening.  We said we wanted the endings to make sense, didn't we?  We said we wanted more explanation, didn't we?  It would be so easy for them to do something like insert some of that additional dialogue we know was discussed for inclusion in the starchild scene, and present it to us as if it fixes everything.

That's why I really feel we need to clarify our position.  Trying to make a bad ending better by stuffing more justification into it until we can no longer wiggle out of it is not good enough.  It's bandaids on a bullet hole.

[Gtacatalina]

Alamandorious wrote...

Alright, apparently something big happened.

Can someone link me to whatever happened?

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

There you go

[nitefyre410]

naes1984 wrote...

Notice he disabled comments on his blog. Gee, I wonder why?

 

yeah i  noticed that  as well... let him doadge  for now... there is only so much running they can do. 

[d-boy15]

Kales Neochild wrote...

i guess i will move on to cd project. I guess this will be the future of rpg. Its sad but its the truth.

Yeah, more mature, more responsibility and more choice.

after this I think I move on to Bethesda and Eidos montreal (Human Revolution)

Modifié par d-boy15, 21 mars 2012 - 03:50 .

[ld1449]

 As deflective as he was, Dr Ray just damn near flat out admitted that new Ending content is gonna happen. Or at least, he did everything just shy of stating it openly. With this statement PR spin though it might be we the fans now have a chance to lock Bioware into their "promise" if they try to wiggle out of it later by bringing their eyes back to his blogpost like "Hey he said our questions and concerns would be adressed, where's our ending!?"

So people, keep up the pressure, no matter what they say, until you hear ENDING DLC ON THE WAY from an official source. It aint over till its over.

[Xelv88]

Prince Lex wrote...

YES THERE IS SOMETHING NEW!!!

Co-Founder of Bioware makes an official statement.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Bioware isn't so in shock that they've forgotten to continue their damage control.  I am, however, honestly a little shocked myself that they're still back-handing us with a defensively dismissive tone.  I believe they're forgetting that we're in the 21st century here... IGN's pandering review is not what they should be focused on.  The consumer is no longer in the dark, unable to communicate with each other and build consensus beyond what critics feed them. That 2-star rating on Amazon and 3.7 and 4.9 on Metacritic (PC, Xbox) should be more than enough to convince them to change their tone.  

But this actually isn't at all what I logged on to talk about.  I wanted to offer a different observation concerning how sad this whole ending fiasco is as a fan.  I'm going to guess I'm not the only fan that remembers the BSN forums before ME3, especially right after ME2 came out.  Now there was an indication you did something right as a company.  It was a fan's paradise.  Countless threads about favorite game moments, debates about best romances, fan speculation ranging from the implications of Haestrom to the far-reaching morality of rewriting the Heretics.  The debate over whether or not to save or destroy the Collector base continued for months.  If anything, the tone of the forums as a place where fans could just come to chat about their love for the game was a defining piece of evidence that Bioware had done something unique and special with their game.

I played WoW for years.  Ever visited those forums?  That's what the internet is supposed to do to fans of massively successful games.  But no, not the ME community.  We had something special.

Take a pause from holding the line in this thread and look at the forums now.  So much of that fan energy that these forums used to incubate is - I can't decide on whether "impressively" or "tragically" works best here - centered on the negative reaction to the ending.  Praise threads replaced by accusations.  Motivationals replaced by demotivationals.  And the biggest thread in BSN's history (just a guess) is titled "So we can't ge the ending we want after all?"

So help me, if that fact alone is not enough to get more than a "we're deigning to listen to you whiners because we kinda care what you think about our art", then I have truly misjudged the kind of a company Bioware is.

Holding the line.

[Nex_Legis]

Pff, "artistic integricy" is irrelevant and worthless when the core attributes of the advertised product are not as promised.

And calling our feedback "destructive" is an insult. The fans have given so much constructive feedback like never before in the gaming history, I suppose... It makes me sad to see that BioWare tries everything to make US look bad, despite the fact that they are not actually describing US as a whole, just some people who are unable to control their anger.

Modifié par Nex_Legis, 21 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[ajunta_]

Somehow I'm not reassured in any way by this statement. Would it be so terrible to say something solid? Why all this vagueness? And now we have to wait till April to know - if that was really a promise, or just nothing.