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[DJBare]

nitefyre410 wrote...

naes1984 wrote...
Notice he disabled comments on his blog. Gee, I wonder why?

 
yeah i  noticed that  as well... let him doadge  for now... there is only so much running they can do. 

Well yeah, considering the abusive feedback they've recieved on facebook and twitter, I don't blame him!

[sumillebonus]

From the Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode
atghunter wrote...

"You will know that there’s a genuine need for dialogue in the corporate bunker when the message turns from “we’re listening” to “we acknowledge we may have a disconnect with our consumers and are willing to discuss a meaningful solution to the problem.” It signals an end to non-committed deflection and opening genuine talks to solve the problem (it’s knows as “Exposing Your Throat” btw). At present, you’ll notice Bioware/EA has only said they will “explain” the endings. That’s not a give, that’s a delay tactic."

[Matt_gekko88]

naes1984 wrote...

Notice he disabled comments on his blog. Gee, I wonder why?

 

So there really will be no dialogue. We do not really have the measures to express our point of view in such a big manner. sigh

[Ashtarth1]

Hah, after all this I thought the 'news on Wed' thing was just disinformation.

[naes1984]

They won't concede our position because they have never made any attempt to understand it. They think we want the ending clarified. We don't; we want it changed. They think we want a nice happy epilogue. Not necessarily. Bioware thinks we are all idiots and they will continue to act on that assumption. Mark my words, they will never admit that a majority of fans hate the ending or that they screwed up or that they were rushed. Any ending DLC will be an uncomftorable compromise between their writers and the fans which will make nobody happy.

[Gi-Joe-Ge]

firstarioch wrote...

http://www.telegraph...new-ending.html

Me again! !! Take that bioware! !

Very well done firstarioch, this is exactly the ammunition we need for our movement.

[rizengrad]

The only good thing about that post by Ray is that he's a senior exec. And when you have a senior exec saying stuff like that, it means that we're really starting to affect their profits.

[Tychondrus5]

firstarioch wrote...

http://www.telegraph...new-ending.html

Me again! !! Take that bioware! !

Well done! You're a hell of a war asset

Hold the line!

[Deschi]

edited a bit, sorry for the typos in the former version:

also wanted to leave my thought here:

I really appreciated the
statement of Dr. Ray Muzyka... of course it is vague again and he didn't
make any specific statements regarding WHAT and HOW they will chance
those things most of us really care about (especially the inchorent
stuff) but he said that they ARE working on that. And seriously guys...
how can they rigth now push a solution for that out of the hat when all
the writers and developers have now to work on that again... THIS NEEDS
TIME and I think you all agree that you want something good in quality.
So give them time... keep up the pressure that they GOT MOTIVATED not a
pressure like the the FEEL FORCED!

A lot of us were assuming that
the ending fell flat and like a patchwork becuase EA might have made
much too short deadline which was not good for that game and that the
developers felt forced to finish it. So keep calm, motivate the
developers NOW rather the to make just mean pressure! It should be
balanced and constructive. Don't become like the enemy we all hate! I
beg you! For me everyone here who respected the franchise but did not
like the ending never wanted to destroy the artistic visions of the
writers or the developers... we all just felt that soemthign was just
not right in the ending: that there was no real feeling of closure and
no feeling of making you decissions really matter. I am still sure their
original vision of making a bittersweet and even mysterious ending will
still work, if the feeling of neing more involved into it as a player
would be increased.

And of course hold in this way the line!

Modifié par Deschi, 21 mars 2012 - 04:05 .

[Mr Chr15topher]

Now is the time for action with your wallets people! If paid DLC that takes place before the endings come out, then DO NOT BUY IT!!! When Bioware/EA see that we will accept nothing less than ending DLC they will have to respond by giving us what we want. Keep holding the line!

[naes1984]

rizengrad wrote...

The only good thing about that post by Ray is that he's a senior exec. And when you have a senior exec saying stuff like that, it means that we're really starting to affect their profits.

I wish that were true but EA's stock has been relatively unaffected by this controversy. There was a slight dip but that could be for any number of reasons.

[Jere85]

Nilofeliu wrote...
Sorry to disagree with you but no way that article is enough. Not even close to that. Bioware played us for fools, then ignored us, trolled us all while the media called us offensive names not even worthy mentioning in here.

And now, just because this guy claims they will be taking our feedback into consideration all is well? No way. I am not a child to be patronized or someone with in dire need of attention.

People, this is just another PR stunt meant to drive us away from our cause. All that was said is that the feedback would be taken into consideration, but in no point he assured us that something would be done about it.

At least I have to give credit when credit is due. Their PR strategy has actually improved.

/Salute

AND HOLD THE LINE

I have withdrawn my statement earlier, i was too excited that we finally gotten some news after so much silence, got carried away, after reading it again, im agreeing with you.

[The Big Palooka]

naes1984 wrote...

They won't concede our position because they have never made any attempt to understand it. They think we want the ending clarified. We don't; we want it changed. They think we want a nice happy epilogue. Not necessarily. Bioware thinks we are all idiots and they will continue to act on that assumption. Mark my words, they will never admit that a majority of fans hate the ending or that they screwed up or that they were rushed. Any ending DLC will be an uncomftorable compromise between their writers and the fans which will make nobody happy.

Nail on the head.

[MordiMoro]

Have you noticed that "Trust" is in italics in the post of Mr. Ray?

Modifié par MordiMoro, 21 mars 2012 - 03:58 .

[Computim]

naes1984 wrote...

rizengrad wrote...

The only good thing about that post by Ray is that he's a senior exec. And when you have a senior exec saying stuff like that, it means that we're really starting to affect their profits.

I wish that were true but EA's stock has been relatively unaffected by this controversy. There was a slight dip but that could be for any number of reasons.

Actually, if you go back to March 6 you can see the jump from release day, then it's just declined back to "normal".. and even declined from there slightly... that's NOT normal for a AAA Release.. usually there's a big jump for a couple months.. This is most definitely causing them to take notice.

Even EA's Origin is offering refunds on ME3.. when your parent company takes a stance against you it's saying that they see a bigger problem with your customer service than you do.

[TSC_1]

Jere85 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

People... stop complaining about him being vague please, he has to be in order to keep up with whatever they are planning, at least he's saying something, and what he says is positive news, i would call it a win at any day, its all we could ask for after getting the silent treatment for so long. Seriously take what you can get, stop being greedy.

Thanks Ray, you da man!

That's exactly the reaction they want. We can't do that. We need to keep pushing, or we won't get what we want in the end.

That said, I'm glad Dr. Muzyka took the time to speak with us. I'm just not going to pretend that we've already won or that this is finished. That won't happen until Bioware says "We screwed up and are releasing a DLC that changes the ending to ME3."

I admit i was too positive the first time around, its just that after not hearing anything for so long... i got carried away... Holding the line.

Cheers. I'm just trying to keep things in perspective for people.

[IxSITHxI]

http://www.mcvuk.com...3-ending/093147

[sumo390]

That "75 critics" line is hilarious

[chmarr]

heres something to do, check your local or national patent office online and search for "mass effect 3", theres a slew of multiplayer dlc registered and SOME extra apperance packs, and i THINK i saw a singleplayer dlc registered somewhere, (FYI cant post a link to it, you need to register with RL details to get the full patent list >.< )

[The Big Palooka]

My sister doesn't have an account, but she wrote this up and asked me to repost it for her - and since I agree, I'm going to.


"I think Bioware has somewhat missed our point. While we do want more
clarity and more closure on the ending, we also want more ending
options.
We want the endings we have currently, as well as options to
have the galaxy be in good shape at the end of the war. The Mass Relays
need to remain intact in at least a couple endings. We also want at
least one ending option(Preferably a few with degrees of success as far
as the Reapers are concerned) where Shepard obviously lives and gets a
happily ever after with his/her LI.
We were promised 16 different
endings. We have 3 right now. 13 to go, I think we should get some
better options in there.

Bottom line: Bioware, give us options.
"

[Goikiu]

I really need to go, well, try to cool down soldier
We will hold the line until they make what they've said real

[TSC_1]

The Big Palooka wrote...

The really disheartening part is how easily I can see this happening.  We said we wanted the endings to make sense, didn't we?  We said we wanted more explanation, didn't we?  It would be so easy for them to do something like insert some of that additional dialogue we know was discussed for inclusion in the starchild scene, and present it to us as if it fixes everything.

That's why I really feel we need to clarify our position.  Trying to make a bad ending better by stuffing more justification into it until we can no longer wiggle out of it is not good enough.  It's bandaids on a bullet hole.

I agree. How do we make that clear, though? I mean, we've been saying we want new endings this whole time. That's what I said in my letter to them. That's what I said in the official suggestions thread. That's what I've been saying on Twitter...

Any ideas?

[Benirus]

naes1984 wrote...

They won't concede our position because they have never made any attempt to understand it. They think we want the ending clarified. We don't; we want it changed. They think we want a nice happy epilogue. Not necessarily. Bioware thinks we are all idiots and they will continue to act on that assumption. Mark my words, they will never admit that a majority of fans hate the ending or that they screwed up or that they were rushed. Any ending DLC will be an uncomftorable compromise between their writers and the fans which will make nobody happy.

This.

As it stand now the article is nothing more than a tactic to gain support from people that don't understand the ending or what the fuss is about.

Now that we have the attention of the world media, the news are going to jump on this article as soon as they get the chance. And suddenly we are the spoiled entitled children again, bullying the poor producers and belitteling their wonderfull "art"

Hold the line people, this is not in our favor.

[Jere85]

sumo390 wrote...

That "75 critics" line is hilarious

Yeah i lolled. and the emphasis he must have laid with "we have OVER 75 critics"... wow... /golfclap

[sumo390]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

Now is the time for action with your wallets people! If paid DLC that takes place before the endings come out, then DO NOT BUY IT!!! When Bioware/EA see that we will accept nothing less than ending DLC they will have to respond by giving us what we want. Keep holding the line!

Very true. Who would want to take back Omega if it doesn't even matter once you meet spacekid