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[sagevallant]

"However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s." How many of those were bought from IGN? Can you even verify that any of those critics had REACHED the end of the game? Because it's not the plot or the gameplay or any of that which sparked this reaction, it's the last 10 minutes. And with the emphasis on getting the first review out there, how many played it the whole way through before writing that review?

And one critic known to have integrity, Totalbiscuit, is boycotting the game on the basis of Day 1 DLC. And, upon hearing of the ending controversy, he was quickly able to figure out that "16" endings which are all 95% the same was a terrible way to end the game. And that cutting off the game without any indication of what happened to the crew was understandably frustrating to the consumers.

TB also hates the scoring system based on the idea that "the perfect game" does not EXIST, and if it did we would all just stop playing every other game. And never would another game be made, because why play something else when you can play perfection?

[BuddhaGeek]

Yatzhee has finally done Mass Effect 3 in Zero Punctuation.  Nothing really about the ending or Retake, but it made me giggle, nonetheless

http://www.escapistm...7-Mass-Effect-3 

[Sywen]

The letter didn't make me want to sing the praises of Bioware yet.

Holding the line.

[Iucounou]

magikbbg wrote...

Ok this is a moot point but you guys here achieved 300,000+ views >< and 2098 pages.
why u such a ssmall minoirty lols.


im just kidding if you happened to have been insulted by the time youre reading this line.

We're not insulted because "We saw what you did there!"

Unfortunately, that cannot be said of BW/ME3

Modifié par Iucounou, 21 mars 2012 - 04:14 .

[Temtimtom]

Frostfiend wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

The times will publish it and they got response from bioware.
They will change the ENDINGS! !!!!

Great. Now to hold on until it is actually done.

And to see the article and see the proof. Of course.

[chmarr]

what the ending did to pinki pie

[Atrocity]

nrcrane wrote...

I didn't see that article as good news. It seems to me that they are just digging in farther to defend the ending that was already given. I read the article as an attempt to defend their "artistic integrity" (never seen that phrase used so much before in my life before this). If that article describes the only thing that Bioware intends to do, then all we are going to see is an addition to explain the one ending we got, and nothing about multiple endings where choice matters.

All in the name of "Artistic Integrity" /sigh

Well, Artistic Integrity = AI = AI child god. 
[ / end of the argument ]

[DifferentD17]

Whenever someone brings up "artistic". It's never a good thing is it?

[pikey1969]

Sywen wrote...

The letter didn't make me want to sing the praises of Bioware yet.

Holding the line.

What are you holding the line for again?

[Mr Chr15topher]

firstarioch wrote...

OK editor of telegraph kept his word. Thank you.
TIMES WILL publish about us tomorrow hopefully. Depends on head editor.
And you are right it is from ray myzyka statement.

Thought it would be. This is why they released the statement, to try to get the media off thier backs.

[chmarr]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Whenever someone brings up "artistic". It's never a good thing is it?

he's a doctor, he's the type of person that rips a newspaper and throws it in the air and calls it art, and yet to me its just rubbish

[WvStolzing]

pikey1969 wrote...

Sywen wrote...

The letter didn't make me want to sing the praises of Bioware yet.

Holding the line.

What are you holding the line for again?

Welcome back. Great timing. 

[wantedman dan]

Iucounou wrote...

nrcrane wrote...

I didn't see that article as good news. It seems to me that they are just digging in farther to defend the ending that was already given. I read the article as an attempt to defend their "artistic integrity" (never seen that phrase used so much before in my life before this). If that article describes the only thing that Bioware intends to do, then all we are going to see is an addition to explain the one ending we got, and nothing about multiple endings where choice matters.

All in the name of "Artistic Integrity" /sigh

Artistic Integrity? Stock imagery more like. See this:

http://www.macwallpa...s-Cold-Desktop/

Holy sh*t. So we have this, plus Tali's face... what else have they done this to?

[Mr Chr15topher]

pikey1969 wrote...

Sywen wrote...

The letter didn't make me want to sing the praises of Bioware yet.

Holding the line.

What are you holding the line for again?

Because Bioware haven't yet released a definite statement saying they will make a new ending, just that SOME DLC is on the way.

[nitefyre410]

This was my response to him in the thread on the General Forums...

Ray Muzyka,

First I would like to thank you for responding to this issue personally. While I and many of your customers and fans are happy that you took the time to respond. I feel that you may be missing the very point. The point being that as a customer of Bioware these endings are not of the quality that we have come to expect from the company and its games.. They are disjointed ,jarring, complete disconnected from the overall narrative. These endings also contridict the main selling point of the Mass Effect Trilogy choice. No once is Shepard allowed to refute the Catalyst logic or options. Something that Shepard has done from start of the series. Joker a constant companion to Shepard fleeing the battle is Character Derailment at it finest. Yes, I and many others do understand that the team worked extremely hard on this game and it does show. These endings are not reflective of that work or quality.

Criticism be it gentle or harsh is never destructive, what is destructive is how the party being critized handles that criticism. They can choose to accept it all be it fair or unfair take it with a gain of salt and become better or ignore it. What the Mass Effect team needs to realize is that alot of criticism does come from a malice directed towards them. If comes from their customers and their fans saying... "You can do be better than this and we will not accept it and neither should you." This is the very heart of the alot of us - your customers and fans disappoint and displeasure over the endings.

I would like to also add that calling your customers complaints destructive is not a way to handle the cristism over the endings. Please in the future choose you words a bit more wisely. We your customer have already been marginalized, attack and insult enoughg by outside sources, your usage of the word destructive is not helping ease or remedy this situation. Right now what is need by both sides its patience and humilty to that I will say this...

"We as Long time Customers of BioWare we will not stand for the lack of quality in these endings. If you want our continued business then these endings need to change and or be expanded on. "

I am looking forward to a resolution to this.

Have a blessed day.

[LTBK]

After Dr. Ray Muzyka's blog entry, I think that I should post my thoughs about it.

First, he keeps saying that critics offered high ratings to the game. Problem is that most of those "critics" are not really critics (for various reasons that you all know) or have not finished the game at all, thus don't know what we're talking about. This is related to another point that the Dr. makes too, stating that we all think that the game is awesome, thus it's not that bad as we seem to be saying. While it's true that we all agree that it's a wonderful game, it's also true that the last 10 minutes are SO terrible, inconsecuential, and with so many plot holes and inconsistencies, that it breaks not only Mass Effect 3, but the whole Mass Effect trilogy. That should give you an idea about how bad it is.

He also mentions that the game is art. I agree with the good Dr., but it's also true (as many people have explained in the past) that:

1) It's not free art, it's commercial art. If the vast majority of your paying customers (no, not the critics) consider that the game is not satisfying or that it's not up to what they expected or what was announced, they have the right to ask for a change, as long as they're reasonable.

2) The ending of ME3 fails even as art, as a satifying story. This guy explains why infinitely better than anything that I could write up.

He also seems to think that what we want is that the story didn't end. No, no, and no. What we're asking is a better ending for the story, worth of the Mass Effect brand. Not an infinite adventure, but some proper endings, as it was promised thousands of times before the game's release.

Finally, what really breaks my heart is that he says that "Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive.". It seems that he hasn't read the forums as all. If he did, he would know that, surprisingly, we have been pretty civil and constructive, with almost zero rage posts (not even worth mentioning!), and giving them thousands of valid alternatives to correct or improve the ending.

Like I said in another post, they can keep posting that same PR stuff trying to win more time or whatever, and risking themselves to lose a lot of customers when they lose their interest for anything that they could say, or they can have an open dialogue with us and directly tell us what they are considering to do with the ending.

Getting a bit tired of this PR stuff, but still calmly holding the line, LTBK out.

[elirian_19]

Ray's response feels more like a, "Yes, we're considering explaining our ending to you" rather than a, "Well, okay, we might change it to something that makes more sense." So it's pretty meh for me. I care nothing for starchild and anything they could come up with to explain his flawed logic/existence.

Still, I guess this is better than nothing.

[Alikan]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

sumo390 wrote...

That "75 critics" line is hilarious

Yeah i lolled. and the emphasis he must have laid with "we have OVER 75 critics"... wow... /golfclap

The critics only play it one time, then they move on to the next game they have to play. Weird how all the major titles get 85+

MW3 had horrible graphics and IGN gave graphics 8.5/10.

One can not really take reviews from main gaming media seriously. Do i think they are pure bought henchmen and lapdogs? Not really

But they do get exclusives, invites and above all they have the same games reviewed often plastered in ads  all over their sites/papers.  In fact one can turn this entire entitlement issue around and talk about gaming media entitlement issues (and eve gaming industry entitlement issues).

Noone can call them unbiased by any stretch of imagination. Just look at hiow many games get 9-9.5 scores and are said to be the best or among the best games this year or even ever.

As i read in an article on it, the industry does not respect gaming media in the main because there is not much to respect there.

Modifié par Alikan, 21 mars 2012 - 04:24 .

[naes1984]

I am very curious to see week 2 sales of ME3. You can track it on VGChartz.com. If it takes a huge plunge then might affect EA's stock which will in turn perhaps light a fire under them to get things moving. Returned products I think get sent back to them; that might play a role.
Dragon age 2 had less of an outcry even though its faults were far greater than ME3 all around. When it ended up selling significantly worse than Dragonage: origins then they ended up releasing 2 pretty good DLC packs which addressed at least some of the concerns (samey environments, samey enemies, and so on)- not all of the concerns. They didn't touch the ending of DA2 but they intended it to be a cliffhanger (stupidly I may add).

[chujwamdotego]

I only fear they will continue with this riddiculous scheme with god-child and normandy abandonig battle, etc.

I hope they just add new endings - from happy to sad - so everybody may finish the trilogy the way he/she desires

[Aryana70]

xHezz90 wrote...

Aryana70 wrote...

Hey ppl,
Just thought i would share this little comment that was made to me on Youtube because I commented on a Mass effect 3 video, voicing that i thought the ending sucked....the guy is now full on attacking me for my opnion....let know what you think:

all the people who hate the ending cause shepard die in 2 of the 3 endings, are so girls or dudes wht small dick...its like the movies who always win the more prestige prices(not talkin 'bout the oscars here, cause thats a pile of bull****) most of the time, the good guy die, well, this game can be classified in the same categorie level in term of storyline, you'll see,maybe you too young now but eventually, youll see that the good people around you die,and the game is no different.
If you want to see the comments they are on a vid called "Mass Effect 3 Disappoints, Hope for DLC, and the Future of Mass Effect"

Just ignore him, youtube is troll heaven. Infact I would go as far to say it should be changed to TrollTube lol. Seriously though on youtube your opinion is going to be attacked no matter what you say.

Thanks for that, i got fed up with his crap and told him where to get off.....needless to say, he fizzled out rather pathetically which was i have to admit was quite sad really....he just had nothing to back himself up with except with quite rude language and then decided because i would low myself to his feeble attempt at abuse, he needed to describe the size of his groin which was at a lost to me seeing we were arguing about Mass Effect LOL
But you are dead on when you say it should be changed to TrollTube....Love it, you should coin the phrase...
Cheers:)

[Precursor2552]

Quite a bit of his phrasing has me somewhat concerned. While I'll grant that unless Bioware/EA performed a census of ME3 buyers and found an outright majority they will always refer to us as a minority*, the the focus on critics and their support just seems to further confirm the trends the industry has been following with a reliance on the group of industry yes men calling themselves "Critics"

What was the last AAA release to get below a 9?

*Which is borderline impossible, so they will always claim a very, very silent majority loves the endings.

Still nice to know we'll get a definite answer in April.

What is destructive criticism? Unless I've been missing a call for the firing of the writers and/or the team I don't really see how much of anything we've said is destructive?

[Computim]

ROFL @ Yahtzee...
"It could have been worse" - Not going to appear in any EA marketing material rofl

[chujwamdotego]

nitefyre410 wrote...

This was my response to him in the thread on the General Forums...

Ray Muzyka,

First I would like to thank you for responding to this issue personally. While I and many of your customers and fans are happy that you took the time to respond. I feel that you may be missing the very point. The point being that as a customer of Bioware these endings are not of the quality that we have come to expect from the company and its games.. They are disjointed ,jarring, complete disconnected from the overall narrative. These endings also contridict the main selling point of the Mass Effect Trilogy choice. No once is Shepard allowed to refute the Catalyst logic or options. Something that Shepard has done from start of the series. Joker a constant companion to Shepard fleeing the battle is Character Derailment at it finest. Yes, I and many others do understand that the team worked extremely hard on this game and it does show. These endings are not reflective of that work or quality.

Criticism be it gentle or harsh is never destructive, what is destructive is how the party being critized handles that criticism. They can choose to accept it all be it fair or unfair take it with a gain of salt and become better or ignore it. What the Mass Effect team needs to realize is that alot of criticism does come from a malice directed towards them. If comes from their customers and their fans saying... "You can do be better than this and we will not accept it and neither should you." This is the very heart of the alot of us - your customers and fans disappoint and displeasure over the endings.

I would like to also add that calling your customers complaints destructive is not a way to handle the cristism over the endings. Please in the future choose you words a bit more wisely. We your customer have already been marginalized, attack and insult enoughg by outside sources, your usage of the word destructive is not helping ease or remedy this situation. Right now what is need by both sides its patience and humilty to that I will say this...

"We as Long time Customers of BioWare we will not stand for the lack of quality in these endings. If you want our continued business then these endings need to change and or be expanded on. "

I am looking forward to a resolution to this.

Have a blessed day.

Maybe there should be separate thread for something like this. Not for debacles - only to post letters to Dr. Muzyka, so piece like this one above are not lost in the current thread.

[Benirus]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Sywen wrote...

The letter didn't make me want to sing the praises of Bioware yet.

Holding the line.

What are you holding the line for again?

Because Bioware haven't yet released a definite statement saying they will make a new ending, just that SOME DLC is on the way.

And about that he basically only said that the new content will explain the ending. Wich I think is actually impossible since the ending is so badly made.

As someone said earlier, it's like putting a bandaid on a bullet wound.

Hold the line