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[Iucounou]

You know. It occurs to me that I've probably spent more time on this forum than I did playing the game.

That is not a good thing.

[MysticBinary82]

Tebjorn wrote...

I hardly ever register to forums I read(there are quite few actually). And even if I do register to somewhere, I hardly ever post anything.

After been mentally gutted by that horrid excuse of an ending I have been feeling like crap over a week now. Been lurking here since then and hoping that the ending was just an error in space-time continuum. Sadly it wasn't.
Now there has been two PR approved statements from Bioware where they dont really say anything. So I decided actually post here and voice my support to you people!

Keep posting and discussion in civil tone!

PS. English is not my first language so forgive possible typos and bad grammar.

Welcome to the Line. So much for the 90-9-1 rule. I think more people participate on that subject then bevor, ever.

[Xyalon]

Damn, back a few minutes too late

Wanted to put in: "2101: War was beginning"

Oh well, how are you gentlemen?

I don't suppose there has been any news has there?

[ExcTar]

This post of his is bollocks, I've lost all faith in the possible chance that we might get more probable and meaningful endings, to make matters worse I can't return my copy :/

Hope there will be a result, but I've given up on it now, good luck to those of you that pushes on

[TSC_1]

TSC_1 wrote...

Hey! Everyone! Could I have everyone go over to the official suggestions thread and post a comment making it clear that explaining the endings isn't good enough - we want them changed? Thanks, folks.

Self-bump. This is important, folks!

[Atrocity]

Iucounou wrote...

You know. It occurs to me that I've probably spent more time on this forum than I did playing the game.

That is not a good thing.

Well I don't know, insteadof bittersweet, were just bitter. Always best not to combine too many flavours 

[Iucounou]

Some information and humour to help people cope. If you can think of more, post them and I'll include them in this list and re-post every once in a while.

Reviews:

Gamefront's 5 reasons the fans are right
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/
Angry Joe's top 10 reasons to hate the ME3 ending

ME3 endings comparison

Jeremy Jahns ending review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4
Archengeia's thoughts on the ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUqAhKW7498&feature=youtu.be
The California Literary Review
http://calitreview.com/24673
Forbes' Myth of Entitlement
http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/
The Mary Sue review
http://www.themarysu...poiler-free-as-

possible/
BBC Technology News article
http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

Podcasts:

The Paranoid Gamer (Lions and Tigers and Bioware, Oh my!)
http://theparanoidga...-bioware-oh-my/
Spill.com (Ending spoiler review)
http://my.spill.com/...logPost:5224387

Inspirational stuff:

The Commander Shepard song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiRDJLcYua0
The Hold the Line video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JspE9ctseIU
Commander Shepard is still a jerk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PjTuSQNLI4
Mass Effect - In the End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCddYcOGYUg&feature=related


Satire and Parody:

ME3 Recontextualised
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWIimukNeAE
Mass Deffect 7 Shepard's Reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzYLTbQQEZQ&feature=related
The Animal House ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4iNJXrHA_I
Mass Deffect Monster Reaper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyoev5RzO_w
Japanime ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAmVVAjZZeM
Marauder Shields - He gave his life trying to save us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNoIwHychkY&feature=youtu.be
Marauder Shields comic strip
http://koobismo.devi...rt.com/gallery/

Twitter:

HarbytheReaper
https://twitter.com/#!/HarbyTheReaper

Images and Pictures:

VGCats #300
http://www.vgcats.co...ages/120318.jpg
What it should have said on the box
http://i14.photobuck...me3ba_super.jpg
What the kittens think of it all
http://i14.photobuck...s/ME3Boldly.jpg
Marauder Shields
http://koobismo.devi...allery:koobismo

%20randomize%3A1&qo=4

[pikey1969]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Sywen wrote...

The letter didn't make me want to sing the praises of Bioware yet.

Holding the line.

What are you holding the line for again?

Because Bioware haven't yet released a definite statement saying they will make a new ending, just that SOME DLC is on the way.

Right. At this point, it seems rather abunduntly clear that a 'new ending' is not an option. Just read between the lines of all of their recent posts and announcements so far. There will be DLCs that supplement/explain the endings, and that's their half-way compromise.

Like I've said previously a few days back, the gaming media will always tilt towards defending 'artistic integrity' because it not only 'validates' the developers, but their professions as well. It's not just about picking up ad dollars or trying to maintain good relations to secure exclusive reviews/previews and such. Also, these are the same people that are gauge for setting the general market perception (I mean the '90%', the non-vocal casuals), critical reception (metacritic), and ultimately sales. When you have the gaming media on your side of the issue, you're always gonna be labeled and be perceived as the 'crazies', 'vocal minority', and/or 'the most 'passionate' fans'.

Hopefully, Bioware will do a good job filling out the plot holes. I don't know how interested I'd be paying for those series of DLCs that set out to do that (if it's even possible with the ending the way it is), but at least I will hear about it.

[galaxidj]

Iucounou wrote...

You know. It occurs to me that I've probably spent more time on this forum than I did playing the game.

That is not a good thing.

same here, probably pressed more buttons aswell typing then playing

[Stygian1]

Wisconsin fleet is back on the line. We brought Cheese and Beer!

[TSC_1]

ld1449 wrote...

Ok people now that Ray spoke we need to move the line. Start clarifying that you want the endings changed, or that you want MORE endings. Don't let them get away with simply EXPLAINING it. (Though if they really could they have an excellent bull****er on their team.)

This.

[sagevallant]

Muzyka says so much without actually SAYING anything.

I don't really think that the players upset with the ending are the minority at all, though the ones actually getting up in arms over it may be. I've yet to hear anyone offering a proper defense for the endings, whatever the critic scores may say. Most critics can't be trusted anyway, giving high scores to try and be part of the trend they believe to be incoming. Plus, critics rarely have to buy their own games so they'll never weigh the cost of DLC properly.

[nitefyre410]

sagevallant wrote...

*snip* 
Constructive / Deconstructive criticism are grouping terms. Constructive criticism being where you actually tell the artist what you don't like and why, and deconstructive criticism being "This is bad! You are bad! You could not suck more if you tried!" without ever actually addressing why the material is offensive.

I think the Gamestation Podcast did the best job of constructive criticism to date, claiming that Bioware games are based on the characters in it and not the character we all play, Shepard. You can't just show us what happened to Shepard and assume we'll be happy, because the characters we're emotionally invested in are the teammates. Other than Freddie Prinz, who thought Vega would be a good addition to the cast? >.>

We spent the entire series growing to care about Tali, Garrus, Liara. The internets cried out in sorrow when Thane went down, and shouted in glee when Grunt survived. We wept when Mordin started singing during his sacrifice. Now, if they'd all died one by one we wouldn't be asking "what happened next?", but they're alive and we want to know.

 


All true but from a customer  service stand  point... you never call the very negative "This sucks" type of criticism .. destructive.  Doing that was is going to anger the customer even more and not defuse that the customer anger.. Which was the point  I was attempting to make .. 

Trust me I used to work over the  phone customer service for Comcast and getting yelled at because some did not pay their bill was nightly routine.   Been called all types names, cussed at,  yelled..   you name.  If it gets completely out of hand and the offending party is going too far - thats what community managers and mods are for. Lock em down and ban em but as VP  he should not come out and say that... sends a bad message. 

[Aurica]

Just completed the game 10 mins ago.  The ending left a sour yellow note.

[Doomed Avatar]

I always love when the people uses the word "art" so quickly, like Ray Mizuka did. When something is designed for being sold, mass produced and sold in the whole world, you simply can't talk about art. We aren't talking about the artistic design of the game, we are talking about the queality of a PRODUCT, that is all.

Hold the line.

[MysticBinary82]

TSC_1 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Hey! Everyone! Could I have everyone go over to the official suggestions thread and post a comment making it clear that explaining the endings isn't good enough - we want them changed? Thanks, folks.

Self-bump. This is important, folks!

Yes you are right. There are many attempts on trying to explain the ending. I am kind of tired of that... I realy want the hole thing what happend on the citadel gone.

[Sl4sh3r]

I like how the Tweet from @MassEffect said we wouldn't hear anything for at least 2 weeks, and now we get somewhat of an official response a day later....

[Mr Chr15topher]

TSC_1 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Hey! Everyone! Could I have everyone go over to the official suggestions thread and post a comment making it clear that explaining the endings isn't good enough - we want them changed? Thanks, folks.

Self-bump. This is important, folks!

Yes sir!
/Salute

[MysticBinary82]

Btw.

2103 CE
The European Space Agency's Lowell City in Eos Chasma becomes the first permanent human settlement on Mars.

[Avinery]

nitefyre410 wrote...

This was my response to him in the thread on the General Forums...

Ray Muzyka,

First I would like to thank you for responding to this issue personally. While I and many of your customers and fans are happy that you took the time to respond. I feel that you may be missing the very point. The point being that as a customer of Bioware these endings are not of the quality that we have come to expect from the company and its games.. They are disjointed ,jarring, complete disconnected from the overall narrative. These endings also contridict the main selling point of the Mass Effect Trilogy choice. No once is Shepard allowed to refute the Catalyst logic or options. Something that Shepard has done from start of the series. Joker a constant companion to Shepard fleeing the battle is Character Derailment at it finest. Yes, I and many others do understand that the team worked extremely hard on this game and it does show. These endings are not reflective of that work or quality.

Criticism be it gentle or harsh is never destructive, what is destructive is how the party being critized handles that criticism. They can choose to accept it all be it fair or unfair take it with a gain of salt and become better or ignore it. What the Mass Effect team needs to realize is that alot of criticism does come from a malice directed towards them. If comes from their customers and their fans saying... "You can do be better than this and we will not accept it and neither should you." This is the very heart of the alot of us - your customers and fans disappoint and displeasure over the endings.

I would like to also add that calling your customers complaints destructive is not a way to handle the cristism over the endings. Please in the future choose you words a bit more wisely. We your customer have already been marginalized, attack and insult enoughg by outside sources, your usage of the word destructive is not helping ease or remedy this situation. Right now what is need by both sides its patience and humilty to that I will say this...

"We as Long time Customers of BioWare we will not stand for the lack of quality in these endings. If you want our continued business then these endings need to change and or be expanded on. "

I am looking forward to a resolution to this.

Have a blessed day.

Well said.  I don't really care what paid reviewers said, the ending spoiled whole trilogy for me. Hold the line.

[galaxidj]

Aurica wrote...

Just completed the game 10 mins ago.  The ending left a sour yellow note.

impossible... try again, red green or blue?

[Alexraptor1]

sagevallant wrote...

Muzyka says so much without actually SAYING anything.

I don't really think that the players upset with the ending are the minority at all, though the ones actually getting up in arms over it may be. I've yet to hear anyone offering a proper defense for the endings, whatever the critic scores may say. Most critics can't be trusted anyway, giving high scores to try and be part of the trend they believe to be incoming. Plus, critics rarely have to buy their own games so they'll never weigh the cost of DLC properly.

Actually he says a lot.
He says that they still have no plans on changing the ending, but that they will add to the existing ending content to provide more explanations and closure.
Said in corporate double-speak of course.

[TSC_1]

Hey, can someone tell me how I can make a poll on the forums?

Edit: Never mind - got it.

Modifié par TSC_1, 21 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[GroverA125]

Victia wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
*Snip*

+1 - well said Sir or Madam

This ISN'T as good for our cause as it seems. Notice how they shifted the subject from the endings to "providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey". From what my ears and mind are telling me, they're not going to change the endings, they're going to wrap it all up in "space magic foil" to make the current RGB endings make sense. If they mean EXACTLY what they've said, then they aren't taking our thoughts about new endings into account, they're trying to keep them the same as adamantly as possible, keep what they already have, and give us one, maybe two questions to ask godchild before we immediately continue to commit mass genocide.

Notice this part of his post:
"We’re working hard to maintain the right
balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while
addressing the fan feedback we’ve received"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds awfully like "we're not changing the endings, we're going to explain the current endings again". What they've told us is absolutely nothing different to what we already know: Bioware still have their head in the stand and are now trying to find the laziest and cheapest way out of this they possibly can.

Don't get me wrong, getting the co-founder to say it is an achievement, and it shows that we're getting somewhere, but we're nowhere near done yet. If we leave the movement as it is, we'll end up with some half-job DLC that will most likely add four or five more lines into the game where we're told that we have to blow ourselves up because the script says so. Keep holding the line until they tell us that they are doing exactly what we're saying, not trying to find the lazy mid-point to shirk as much work as possible. They've realised just how serious and numerous we are by now, and it looks like the caveman is getting up to try to invent the wheel, but if we stop kicking him and making him try, he'll just as happily sit back down again and pretend he's done something. They're acting, as they seem to have been from the beginning, like an Aes-Sedai, telling us what we want to hear, but leaving their words just open enough so that they can walk out at any time.

Hold the line people, we're getting through to them, but we can't stop until we they say plainly, no misinterpretable rubbish, that "they will change or add more endings to please the fanbase", or else we'll have worked for nothing but another half-***ed attempt at an ending, which I'm sure won't be up to our expectations... again.

[Gi-Joe-Ge]

Iucounou wrote...

You know. It occurs to me that I've probably spent more time on this forum than I did playing the game.

That is not a good thing.

This applies to pretty much everyone I believe. If it went according to plan, by now I should be in my 2nd playthrough already. After that I was planning on starting from the very beginning of the trilogy with a new Shepard.

There is one positive thing though.

This movement shows that despite various cultural backgrounds and belief, people do stand together and fight for what they believe in.

It really makes me proud to be a very little part of it.

Hold the line and stand tall.