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[RussianOrc]

Any new from bioware??the last 8h?

[Welsh Inferno]

Hold the line people!

The fact that one of the Co-Founders of BioWare is the one issuing a statement is a huge sign we are getting somewhere. Don't lose faith, we can do this!

[Gi-Joe-Ge]

TSC_1 wrote...

Hi folks. Would you be kind enough to vote in this poll?

Given Dr. Muzyka's recent statement (http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/), I feel the need to get the
pulse of Mass Effect 3 players. In the statement, it appears that Bioware may be considering "explaining" the current endings rather than replacing them. I'd like to know if we find that acceptable. To that end, I've created this poll. Please read Dr. Muzyka's statement, then vote. Thank you!

http://social.biowar...55/polls/30216/

Also, DJBare, could you add this poll to your list? Thanks!

I will add it to the master template later. DJBare, please feel free to add it to your copy. Later today I will send you an updated version that includes all your links as well.

[naes1984]

Cyan-Glow wrote...

pc.ign.com/articles/122/1221275p1.html

They seem to be reading into the statements we've all already read.

[Iucounou]

Alexraptor1 wrote...

Actually he says a lot.
He says that they still have no plans on changing the ending, but that they will add to the existing ending content to provide more explanations and closure.
Said in corporate double-speak of course.

That sounds to me like a cut-scene in some DLC. Maybe an old man talking to a child again?

I swear if they did that, especially if the child asks "I don't understand what happened.." and the old man patiently explains it to him like he's a dolt....

I'd rather they just said 

[Powerpetzi]

WvStolzing wrote...

And here's my response:

Xyalon wrote...

Damn, back a few minutes too late

Wanted to put in: "2101: War was beginning"

Oh well, how are you gentlemen?

I don't suppose there has been any news has there?

In A.D. 2101 war was beginning.

Shepard: What happen?

@RetakeME3: Somebody set up us the blog.

M. Shields: We get signal.

Shepard: What !

@RetakeME3: Blog screen turn on.

Shepard: It's You!!!

PR-Speak: How are you gentlemen !!
PR-Speak: All your concerns are belong to us
PR-Speak: You are on the way to explanation

Shepard: What you say !!

PR-Speak: You have no chance to understand, need help
PR-Speak: HA HA HA HA ....

Shepard: Write down every well thought out response
Shepard: You know what you doing
Shepard: Move well thought-out response
Shepard: FOR GREAT JUSTICE

1+ !!!

[DifferentD17]

I'm pretty sure art is made please people.

[Nilofeliu]

galaxidj wrote...

Aurica wrote...

Just completed the game 10 mins ago.  The ending left a sour yellow note.

impossible... try again, red green or blue?

What Aurica meant is that she tried the red ending and the green ending. Therefore, green + red = yellow.

See how it makes sense now?

/Salute

[Yaldo]

"Explain the current endings..." Yes, a bit like watching Star Wars episode 1 with director's commentary, still bad, with the added pain of being talked at by someone who actually thought it was a good idea.

No, what is needed are new or changed endings which ideally are up to the quality of the rest of the product or at least somewhat fit into the narrative.

Also, artistic integrity, should probably not be used in that way to defend: a) a commercial product and by people with that strong a liking for stock photographs.

[unclee]

GroverA125 wrote...

This ISN'T as good for our cause as it seems. Notice how they shifted the subject from the endings to "providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey". From what my ears and mind are telling me, they're not going to change the endings, they're going to wrap it all up in "space magic foil" to make the current RGB endings make sense. If they mean EXACTLY what they've said, then they aren't taking our thoughts about new endings into account, they're trying to keep them the same as adamantly as possible, keep what they already have, and give us one, maybe two questions to ask godchild before we immediately continue to commit mass genocide.

Notice this part of his post:
"We’re working hard to maintain the right
balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while
addressing the fan feedback we’ve received"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds awfully like "we're not changing the endings, we're going to explain the current endings again". What they've told us is absolutely nothing different to what we already know: Bioware still have their head in the stand and are now trying to find the laziest and cheapest way out of this they possibly can.

Don't get me wrong, getting the co-founder to say it is an achievement, and it shows that we're getting somewhere, but we're nowhere near done yet. If we leave the movement as it is, we'll end up with some half-job DLC that will most likely add four or five more lines into the game where we're told that we have to blow ourselves up because the script says so.

This has me concerned as well. There are just too many plot holes for them to add a few lines and it suddenly make sense. Besides, it's not JUST about space magic lights. The whole Normandy crap also needs to be addressed. I think I'd be even more upset if they simply added a scene where Shepard says to Joke, "BTW Joker, if you ever see a giant ball of light, just run."

Also, they need to explain how my squad members were magically transported to the Normandy as well. Again, if they use some cop-out like "showing squad members is a glitch" it would just prove that this game wasn't play tested all the way through because EVERYONE is getting it.

Simply put: I can't see how they can address the ending without changing or adding more options. Anything less and it'll just upset people even more because it looks like they're saying, "We did this for you, happy now?"

[Tyranniac]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Hold the line people!

The fact that one of the Co-Founders of BioWare is the one issuing a statement is a huge sign we are getting somewhere. Don't lose faith, we can do this!

Seems more like we lost to me. 

[DJBare]

WE HAVE NOT WON ANYTHING YET!

There has been no confirmation of anything, IGN story should be taken with a pinch of salt until we hear something from Bioware, please do not set yourselves up for disappointment!

[Sterenn]

Tyranniac wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Hold the line people!

The fact that one of the Co-Founders of BioWare is the one issuing a statement is a huge sign we are getting somewhere. Don't lose faith, we can do this!

Seems more like we lost to me. 

We didn't lose. We caused a reaction. This is a first step. We have to hold the line.

Modifié par Sterenn, 21 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[Fox544]

http://www.vgcats.co...ages/120318.jpg

lol! That is EXACTLY what BioWare is doing. I don't think anyone could sum it up better. They have our money and no couldn't care less about us.

[Computim]

Well.. I think I've developed a more clear picture of WHY they rushed the ending... and it's upsetting me again.  Someone linked to a post earlier this week in which someone at Bioware was saying it wasn't EA's fault.

EA's fiscal year end is March 31st.  I can pretty much guarantee that EA wanted to get Bioware's ME3 out before their FYE.  Nothing wrong with that, except the pressure was obviously such that it made them cut corners.

These sort of statements are WHY no one trusts the ambiguous statements now.

Sources:
http://investor.ea.com/results.cfm - FYE Mar 31, 2012

[Mr Chr15topher]

I have just sent Jessica Merizan a Message about the ending to try to clear up what we actually want from it:


I was going to post this in the forums, but knowing how quickly they are moving at the moment I thought that this was too important to get lost.
I was hoping that you would be able to spread this around the office and hopefully to Dr Muzyka:
The feedback that the majority of the Retake ME3 movement have been giving is that, while we are confused by the some of the plot in the endings, we don't want DLC before the final battle to explain this because we feel that it is pointless knowing about the whole plot when the result is exactly the same:
The relays blow up, leaving the armada that you have spent all game gathering stranded at Earth to fight amongst each other for what little resources are left on Earth. Bearing in mind that the Quarians and Turians cant even eat human food.
The only way that we feel that this can be rectified is by giving us either an indoctrination theory ending (which I'm sure you have heard a lot about by now) or by adding more choices to the ending. There is space to the right and left of the platform for 2 90 degree platforms coming off the main one for 2 endings in which the relays don't explode (and possibly one where Shepard lives and get back with their LI).
While this is the main thing we wish to get across, it would also be nice if you could update the main battle so that the assets that we have collected make more of a difference: e.g a ship that you collected could take down a reaper threatening another ship with one of your sqaudmates (like zaeed) on.
I just felt like I had to clear this up as Dr Muzyka's earlier blog seemed to miss the whole point of the movement.
The last thing that I want to say before finishing is that everything before the white light and the "starchild" was absolutely amazing and that you should all feel proud for how the other 98% of the game turned out.
I look forward to buying a good solid ending to this brilliant trilogy in the future and thank you for reading such a long message.

Modifié par Mr Chr15topher, 21 mars 2012 - 05:08 .

[B33ker]

Just got back from dropping off a job app and saw the post here....
http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/
I see it as just another deflection/deception tactic myself.  Something to placate people and quiet them to make this just "go away".
We don't want an explanation of the abortion we got, we want the endings ME so rightly deserved in the first place.
When I buy "art", and take it home, I know what I'm getting.  I don't come in the next day or a week later to see that my Van Gogh is now a monkey humping a football up on my wall.
People play games for entertainment, to have fun, not to see "art".  The ending to ME3 was anything but fun and if it was "art", then it's pretty bad art at that.  If BW employees want to do art, do it at a gallery and leave it out of the games where it doesn't belong imho.

[Annaleah]

Cyan-Glow wrote...

pc.ign.com/articles/122/1221275p1.html

pfft.
This whole article is a PR stunt to shut us up.

[naes1984]

DifferentD17 wrote...

I'm pretty sure art is made please people.

Videogames are by their nature more participatory than movies, books, tv, paintings. Game developers add to and change their products all the time- Day One patches, DLC, expansion packs, rebalancing competitive fighting games like Street Fighter or games like StarCraft. All of these sorts of additions are part of an ongoing conversation between creator and consumer.

[Cyan-Glow]

DJBare wrote...

WE HAVE NOT WON ANYTHING YET!

There has been no confirmation of anything, IGN story should be taken with a pinch of salt until we hear something from Bioware, please do not set yourselves up for disappointment!

Granted it's not offcial but they pretty much spell it out. I can't see any other interpretation of the Bio-Ware statement.

[BuddhaGeek]

baronkohinar wrote...

Agreed, we need to unify our message. More important, we need to hit them on the big issues, BioWare promised us a lot of things but a happy ending was never one of them. This is not saying people are wrong to want a happy ending, however happy/sad/bittersweet are entirely subjective concepts and, as such, should not be central to our arguments. As an opinion, it's easy to dismiss -- please note, this is the ONLY one of our complaints they address time after time, saying it was never intended that way.

If we really want to turn up the heat, we must focus on the things they REFUSE to talk about, the most prominent of these being that our choices don't impact the ending. Sure, they can cite their opinions on other topics, but we have PROOF they didn't deliver on these fronts, that's why they ignore them time and again. If you really want to strengthen our position, and take an irrefutable stand in the media, we need to concentrate on this. If we do so, they've got no leg to stand on.

This! A thousand times, this! <3

[Sevantha]

Nilofeliu wrote...

Sorry to disagree with you but no way that article is enough. Not even close to that. Bioware played us for fools, then ignored us, trolled us all while the media called us offensive names not even worthy mentioning in here.

And now, just because this guy claims they will be taking our feedback into consideration all is well? No way. I am not a child to be patronized or someone with in dire need of attention.

People, this is just another PR stunt meant to drive us away from our cause. All that was said is that the feedback would be taken into consideration, but in no point he assured us that something would be done about it.

At least I have to give credit when credit is due. Their PR strategy has actually improved.

/Salute

AND HOLD THE LINE

I totaly agree with you, I can't understand why so many in their first reaction seem happy about this, announce that we won and so on. It means nothing new what so ever, I even found it quite insulting to read. They are still trying to make us look like a minority of underaged children that are on a nerdrage because they didn't like the game. They don't even mention that just because we didn't like the ending does not mean we didn't like the game overall. Doing this makes it easier to dismiss our complains because the game has received overall got ratings.
They know that we love the game, otherwise we wouldn't care. It's just some bull**** thrown out there to make us look bad, like they have done from the beginning and every step on the way so far.

[Crossleft]

Iucounou wrote...

Alexraptor1 wrote...

Actually he says a lot.
He says that they still have no plans on changing the ending, but that they will add to the existing ending content to provide more explanations and closure.
Said in corporate double-speak of course.

That sounds to me like a cut-scene in some DLC. Maybe an old man talking to a child again?

I swear if they did that, especially if the child asks "I don't understand what happened.." and the old man patiently explains it to him like he's a dolt....

I'd rather they just said 

oh my god I could totally see them doing that....Id be so pissed off

never thought Id prefer

[Word_Bearer]

http://www.escapistm...7-Mass-Effect-3

"...It could have been worse. Then again, I'm completely jaded."
~Yatzhee on the ending.

Yatzhee was upset!

[Iucounou]

DJBare wrote...

WE HAVE NOT WON ANYTHING YET!

There has been no confirmation of anything, IGN story should be taken with a pinch of salt until we hear something from Bioware, please do not set yourselves up for disappointment!

Agreed. Plus IGN is best IGNored as a reputable source of anything.

Don't let yourselves be built up, only to be crushed again.