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[KerrJMF]

Personally, I feel like the latest BW "update" is primarily an attempt to get us in the #RetakeME3 movement to feel bad about our asking for more endings. I very nearly did. But we have a right to ask, just as they have a right to deny us new endings.

My biggest fear now is that while they may, in fact, be "listening," they aren't listening well. It sounds as if they're preparing to create some pre-battle exposition that explains the plot holes (e.g. why your ground squad is alive and unscathed aboard a fleeing Normandy, etc.). Quite frankly, if they aren't going to add more endings (where maybe, say, your entire crew doesn't abandon you and crash on said random jungle planet), I don't want any exposition added (e.g. Shepard telling Joker to get everyone to safety if "things go sideways.") Because then we won't even have the wiggle room for interpretation (that perhaps the relay explosion or Normandy crash is all in Shepard's head). And BW will be all 'you're *still* not happy? Look at all the extra miles we went for you. Case closed. Come back for Dragon Age 3. Toodles.'  *sigh*

[Edje Edgar]

It is a sad day, if they expand on the current endings. Well then just R.I.P. bioware.

[DJBare]

Find below some important links you may want to follow.
Added some inspiritational links, check them out.

Forbes, Did the Real Mass Effect 3 Ending Go Over Everyone's Heads?
Forbes, BioWare Co-Founder Apologizes To Fans For The Mass Effect 3 Ending - Sort Of
TO MASS EFFECT 3 PLAYERS, FROM DR. RAY MUZYKA, CO-FOUNDER OF BIOWARE
BBC news technology section
Angry Joe Mass Effect 3 Review:
Angry Joe 10 plot holes created by ending:
Retake Mass Effect - Child's Play ***Please Donate***
Mass Effect 3 debacle - Pre-release developer quotes
Poll About The Ending
'Official' Poll For Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC
[POLL] What exactly would you change with the ending?
Official ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread
EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode ***Regularly UPDATED***
Retake Mass Effect Banner Templates
Mission Statement Thread
Retake Mass Effect Group on BSN ***Please Join***
Mass Effect 3 Resource Site with collection of statements and reports
Retake Mass Effect 3 Statistics
Retake Mass Effect on Facebook
IGN facebook page
Retake Mass Effect on Youtube
ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread
Retake Mass Effect 3 Endings - Extranet Site - Resource Collector
PC PowerPlay review
Mass Effect 3 Ending and Why We Hate It!
TAKE IT BACK! - Official Mass Effect 3 Music Video by Miracle Of Sound & Bioware
The Telegraph, Mass Effect 3 gamers campaign for new ending
Poll regarding Dr. Muzyka's statement
Retake Mass Effect on Twitter
@RetakeME3

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[CimCake]

After reading the Ray Muzyka article http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/
I reacted to that he claims that the fan reaction on the ending was completely unexpected.

Really? I'm amazed that they thought plotholes large enough to fit a krogan in them wouldn't bother us together with only 3 endings (which are very much the same in large parts) that doesn't take our previous actions into account (except for war assets which only affect to what degree earth gets mangled by the reapers). Anyone else who thought this was really weird? Didn't they know their fanbase better than that?

Modifié par CimCake, 21 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[mulder1199]

naes1984 wrote...

TerrifiedKiz wrote...

2 new Forbes articles
www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/21/did-the-real-mass-effect-3-ending-go-over-everyones-heads/

www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/21/bioware-co-founder-apologizes-to-fans-for-the-mass-effect-3-ending-sort-of/

I'm not complaining but why has Forbes been so active on this? I thought they were just a financial magazine which told you about mutual funds and the price of oil. This writer certainly knows about videogames so good.

EA is a big boy in the industry, this also could also change the way companies go about the way they do business

[Chrumpek]

Can I just get a quick explanation of what "holding the line" exactly means here.

I've just avoided playing ME3 and told my friends the ending sux, explained it and hold them off from buying it//dlc ...

[Nilofeliu]

May God Bless Forbes and all of its team..

In the past I have read many articles from Forbes, and found them accurate and expressing an unbiased view of the topic in question. However, never before was I a part of the topic referred by Forbe's article.

Now, with all of this going on, it is reassuring to find such confort, and to know that no matter what happens Forbes will be there to say the truth as it is.

Thank you Forbes for your articles and your understanding.

/Salute

PS. Please, read the two new articles. Links below:

http://www.forbes.co...ending-sort-of/

http://www.forbes.co...veryones-heads/

[DJBare]

KerrJMF wrote...

Personally, I feel like the latest BW "update" is primarily an attempt to get us in the #RetakeME3 movement to feel bad about our asking for more endings.

With my life style, they are going to have to put a lot more effort into making me feel bad 

[naes1984]

CimCake wrote...

After reading the Ray Muzyka article http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/
I reacted to that he claims that the fan reaction on the ending was completely unexpected.

Really? I'm amazed that they thought plotholes large enough to fit a krogan in them wouldn't bother us together with only 3 endings (which are very much the same in large parts) that doesn't take our previous actions into account (except for war assets which only affect to what degree earth gets mangled by the reapers). Anyone else who thought this was really weird? Didn't they know their fanbase better than that?

Professional writers with degrees in their various fields created these endings. They are well aware of the plot holes. There were probably a lot of arguments that ent on. They are not stupid but they think we are.

[mulder1199]

Jere85 wrote...

@masseffect
@michaelortizzz Rest assured- the issue here is balance between art and what you guys want. We want to maintain our vision.

*sighs*... art... you call that art?... that ending? seriously?... SERIOUSLY?... *logs off the forums before i do something i shouldnt*

whle it's art, it's still media, to continue to get people to purchase this media, you need to satisfy more people with said art........

in this case, add 2 more endings, or a way to tie up your loose ends......you'll have satisfied a good chunk of the retake folks and the people that liked the end can keep their end, smug in the fact taht they are smarter than the rest of us folk (i'm good with that)

[Yuoaman]

Chrumpek wrote...

Can I just get a quick explanation of what "holding the line" exactly means here.

I've just avoided playing ME3 and told my friends the ending sux, explained it and hold them off from buying it//dlc ...

It basically means standing strong until this issue is resolved and not giving in to pressure.

[SiriusXI]

Annaleah wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

http://social.biowar...ndex/10385157/1

With this said, I think I'll stop holding the line. Bioware has made it pretty clear, they'll not change the ending, but rather try to give us DLC that will make the ending we got more plausible. So maybe they'll send us on some random mission where Shep discovers some artifact that will tell you more about the Godchild and the motivation of the reapers. I'm SURE this will make everyone really understand just WHY the reapers kill all organics in order to prevent them from being killed by some other synthetics...

"We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received."

There is no artistic integrity with this ending... This was the last Bioware/EA game I'll ever buy!

I'm out!

Damn it, Soldier! Don't give up! That is EXACTLY what that statement was meant to make you do! I am SICK of people turning tail and running at the first sign of trouble!
HOLD THE DAMN LINE!

Just feeling really sick of it all! But you're right... I'll take a deep breath... I'll calm the **** down. I will hold the line... But I lost all hope in any DLC the way we want it to be. After this statement, they will provide explanations for Godchild and Spacemagic, as well as this bonkers reaper motivation (tsss). Maybe they'll give us even some closure for our characters... But I don't believe it will be very much satisfying!

Modifié par SiriusXI, 21 mars 2012 - 05:33 .

[RussianOrc]

Edje Edgar wrote...

It is a sad day, if they expand on the current endings. Well then just R.I.P. bioware.

Well, if they use the indrocrination theory it will be awesome.

[Chrumpek]

Yuoaman wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Can I just get a quick explanation of what "holding the line" exactly means here.

I've just avoided playing ME3 and told my friends the ending sux, explained it and hold them off from buying it//dlc ...

It basically means standing strong until this issue is resolved and not giving in to pressure.

Not giving into what preasure? None can possibly make me like that ending nor make me buy another product of bioware after DA2 and ME3 ending.

[Twilight_Princess]

Chrumpek wrote...

Can I just get a quick explanation of what "holding the line" exactly means here.

I've just avoided playing ME3 and told my friends the ending sux, explained it and hold them off from buying it//dlc ...

Mostly it means to keep the pressure on as a collective of fans.  BW expects the reaction to blow over but if we stay at the intensity that we are currently at over a period of time we become harder to dismiss. Ergo "holding the line"

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 21 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[Pegas9]

Hey guys,

I don't usually register at forums or any other social networks, but I think after going through the ME3 I should support this movement. So I've sent my feedback about ME3 to Bioware. Even though I was really disapointed with the ending, I wrote it politely.

I'm not a big gamer, I spend more money on movies, but I always trusted Bioware and wasn't even upset with first day DLC. The ending of ME3 changed that. I hope they do something about it.

So as everyone in here, I'm holding the line.

Modifié par Pegas9, 21 mars 2012 - 05:33 .

[DJBare]

naes1984 wrote...
Professional writers with degrees in their various fields created these endings. They are well aware of the plot holes. There were probably a lot of arguments that ent on. They are not stupid but they think we are.

Oddly enough, while reading text within the game I got more of an impression of fanfic writers(no offense to fanfic writers) rather than professional writers.

[Deschi]

Edje Edgar wrote...

It is a sad day, if they expand on the current endings. Well then just R.I.P. bioware.

i don't agree... let's see what the are about to cook. let's not celebrate anything we haven't seen or experienced and let's not damn it also.

I for myself keep being sceptical but open minded and keep holding the line this way.

[CimCake]

naes1984 wrote...

CimCake wrote...

After reading the Ray Muzyka article http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/
I reacted to that he claims that the fan reaction on the ending was completely unexpected.

Really? I'm amazed that they thought plotholes large enough to fit a krogan in them wouldn't bother us together with only 3 endings (which are very much the same in large parts) that doesn't take our previous actions into account (except for war assets which only affect to what degree earth gets mangled by the reapers). Anyone else who thought this was really weird? Didn't they know their fanbase better than that?

Professional writers with degrees in their various fields created these endings. They are well aware of the plot holes. There were probably a lot of arguments that ent on. They are not stupid but they think we are.

Yeah, I mean, it's obvious that they are good writers. It's easy to see in the rest of the game(s). 
So they must've known the problems, and they probably knew that most of us would see the problems too. 
This makes me think that they actually weren't surprised and that they're just trying to cover up their mess :/
(I just refuse to believe that they think that their fanbase are idiots who can't see a plothole even if they were falling through it ;  )

[vertibird1]

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17458208 Don't know if anyone has posted this yet

Modifié par vertibird1, 21 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[DJBare]

Pegas9 wrote...

Hey guys,

I don't usually register at forums or any other social networks, but I think after going through the ME3 I should support this movement. So I've sent my feedback about ME3 to Bioware. Even though I was really disapointed with the ending, I wrote it politely.

I'm not a big gamer, I spend more money on movies, but I always trusted Bioware and wasn't even upset with first day DLC. The ending of ME3 changed that. I hope they do something about it.

So as everyone in here, I'm holding the line.

Welcome aboard soldier, remember to keep your gun lowered and remain civil, even in the face of adversity.

[Tiikay_]

SiriusXI wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

http://social.biowar...ndex/10385157/1

With this said, I think I'll stop holding the line. Bioware has made it pretty clear, they'll not change the ending, but rather try to give us DLC that will make the ending we got more plausible. So maybe they'll send us on some random mission where Shep discovers some artifact that will tell you more about the Godchild and the motivation of the reapers. I'm SURE this will make everyone really understand just WHY the reapers kill all organics in order to prevent them from being killed by some other synthetics...

"We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received."

There is no artistic integrity with this ending... This was the last Bioware/EA game I'll ever buy!

I'm out!

Damn it, Soldier! Don't give up! That is EXACTLY what that statement was meant to make you do! I am SICK of people turning tail and running at the first sign of trouble!
HOLD THE DAMN LINE!

Just feeling really sick of it all! But you're right... I'll take a deep breath... I'll calm the **** down. I will hold the line... But I lost all hope in any DLC the way we want it to be. After this statement, they will provide explanations for Dodchild and Spacemagic, as well as this bonkers reaper motivation (tsss). Maybe they'll give us even some closure for our characters... But I don't believe it will be very much satisfying!

Which is why we must continue to give feedback whenever they bring something new to the table (like the blog entry).  Keep it simple, keep it civil, and let them know exactly what we want in hopes that they will listen.  We want our choices throughout the series to matter in the end, plain and simple, and the current endings do not reflect any of that at all.  So we must continue to HOLD THE LINE!

[mulder1199]

Chrumpek wrote...

Can I just get a quick explanation of what "holding the line" exactly means here.

I've just avoided playing ME3 and told my friends the ending sux, explained it and hold them off from buying it//dlc ...

go over to the 'suggested endigns thread' tell them your 2 cents

come in here with constructive posts that deal with why we are upset (stay civil and objective)

get your friends with the game to register here and also calmly and cooly voice their displesure....

join the RetakeME3 group on facebook, twitter and on the BSN (DJBARE regularly posts a 'links' post where you can find them)

and HOLD THE LINE (don't give up until we enact change,) as said by kirahee in ME1 

[Yuoaman]

Chrumpek wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Can I just get a quick explanation of what "holding the line" exactly means here.

I've just avoided playing ME3 and told my friends the ending sux, explained it and hold them off from buying it//dlc ...

It basically means standing strong until this issue is resolved and not giving in to pressure.

Not giving into what preasure? None can possibly make me like that ending nor make me buy another product of bioware after DA2 and ME3 ending.

The pressure to just walk away - all of the bad press this movement was receiving last week was obviously intended to do just that.

[Fox544]

Jere85 wrote...

@masseffect
@michaelortizzz Rest assured- the issue here is balance between art and what you guys want. We want to maintain our vision.

*sighs*... art... you call that art?... that ending? seriously?... SERIOUSLY?... *logs off the forums before i do something i shouldnt*

"Art" is their new fortress, At first we were a vocal minority, that feel flat. Then we were just childish and entitled, then we donated to charity. Now they hope the banner of "art" will protect them. However its funny how Mass Effect is now "art" when the developers were quoted as saying the fans were "co creators". Odd considering we have no say in creating our own ending, yet we're "co creators".