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[Nilofeliu]

Quotes from Forbes articles referring to the big annoucement...


“There is no need to take a “constructive” attitude with talented artists,” writes Stephen Bond, “if anything, they find such an attitude more offensive. As H.L. Mencken said: “I do not object to being denounced, but I can’t abide being schoolmastered, especially by men I regard as imbeciles.” The constructive critic is a crow who takes it upon himself to educate the eagle; one who tries to force his own limitations on those who can soar far higher, unencumbered.”

"Constructive criticism, Bond argues, is a “mass hallucination.” It is “inimical to the purposes of criticism as art. I’ll say it again: the point of criticism is not to improve you, but to express me. And each time I digress to offer you helpful suggestions, encouraging remarks and other pep-talk, I am not truly expressing myself. I’m merely being polite, nice, even a bit condescending — in other words, I’m being aesthetically repulsive.”

"“Look how exceptional our game is! We appreciate your concern and we are listening, but by the way did you notice all these perfect scores we just received? You’re delusional, but we care.”

And finally, my favorite one...

"As far as Muzyka’s apology goes: It’s better than nothing, but any apology with a “but” at the end should be taken with a hefty spoonful of sea salt. After all, when has “I’m sorry, honey, but…” ever worked?"

/Salute

And Holding the Line...

[Welsh Inferno]

Just want to highlight this in here:

Stygian1 wrote...

1. BioWare seems to think, or at least say, that what we are all angry about is that the ending didn't provide enough closure. Heh.

I think we ALL in Retake need to make this our focus now. We DO NOT JUST WANT CLOSURE. How about an ending without plotholes galore? How about some actual choice and consuquences? So lets set our focus on letting them know 100% that we want more than closure. HOLD THE LINE.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 21 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[Chrumpek]

Oh they will expand on current endings... OH THEY WILL

Now in updated ending we can clearly see that mass relays exploding have same effect as in Arrival DLC, thus annihilating entire systems they explode in.

When you get the 'breathing' cutscene, you can also see shepard looking at sky seeing how exploding sol relay annihilates the system.

We also later see our companions griefing about their homes and dieing form starvation.

Updated endings ho!

[ChristianTh]

Forbes tells EA/BW why it is bad to remind the reviewers about their dependence.
Thats a real hard slap across the EA/BW-Face. But they write what most people already think, its really bad that EA/BW and other publishers don' t even notice this problem.
He pointed to the reviewers score, has this guy ever looked in this board?
Has he ever asked him self why these scores difer so much?
I think he is a nice person BUT..... (lol)

[naes1984]

CimCake wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

CimCake wrote...

After reading the Ray Muzyka article http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/
I reacted to that he claims that the fan reaction on the ending was completely unexpected.

Really? I'm amazed that they thought plotholes large enough to fit a krogan in them wouldn't bother us together with only 3 endings (which are very much the same in large parts) that doesn't take our previous actions into account (except for war assets which only affect to what degree earth gets mangled by the reapers). Anyone else who thought this was really weird? Didn't they know their fanbase better than that?

Professional writers with degrees in their various fields created these endings. They are well aware of the plot holes. There were probably a lot of arguments that ent on. They are not stupid but they think we are.

Yeah, I mean, it's obvious that they are good writers. It's easy to see in the rest of the game(s). 
So they must've known the problems, and they probably knew that most of us would see the problems too. 
This makes me think that they actually weren't surprised and that they're just trying to cover up their mess :/
(I just refuse to believe that they think that their fanbase are idiots who can't see a plothole even if they were falling through it ;  )

I really think they were rushed. The boss battle with the illusive man was supposed to be a real fight. That was scrapped. There is no dialogue wheel with the star child which suggests that they didn't have the time they needed.

[Jorojr]

The Cynic in me won't be counting my eggs before they hatch. While I appreciate an official statement from the company's co-founder, until someone says, "Yes, we are releasing/re-patching the a proper ending for our fans," I'm going to take the statement with a chunk of salt.

Until then, hold fast and continue to hold the line.

[Victia]

Deschi wrote...

Edje Edgar wrote...

It is a sad day, if they expand on the current endings. Well then just R.I.P. bioware.

i don't agree... let's see what the are about to cook. let's not celebrate anything we haven't seen or experienced and let's not damn it also.

I for myself keep being sceptical but open minded and keep holding the line this way.

depends on how they expand on the current endings- personally i am a fan of indoctrination theory and if bioware decided to gp down this road it would require the endings expanded on and i believe that it could be amazing

[Iucounou]

I liked this comment from Paul Tassi in the Forbes article:

"The fact is, even if the last sequence is the indoctrination process, it’s still a gut punch to fans to cut out a true ending, and sell it later as DLC, which I now believe has been their intention all along."

Nice to see I'm not the only one who believes the worst of Bioware.

[Tiger]

I love the "art" argument.

"So BioWare, why did you create so many plot holes in the last 10min of the game?"

"It's art, you wouldnt understand."

[Atrocity]

Phew, just finished typing the response to the feedback thread. I might have given my response to bioware more thought than many of my essays >_>

[mulder1199]

kudos to dr. ray to acknowledge that there are issues and your team is loooking into ways of patching it up......you'll regain my business if it comes to fruition

[Nex_Legis]

The "overall good rating" argument is invalid anyway.
These ratings just take points such as graphics, gameplay mechanics, sound, etc. into consideration. They do not concentrate on or include more complex aspects, for example, the storyline of the whole series, plotholes or promises that were made by the developers to create their incredibly meaningful X out of 5 or 10 ratings.
Hardly any large games walk off with a score lower than 70% of the maximum.

It's all just a cheap excuse made up by BioWare to buy them more time and then feed us with a poorly-made DLC that adds some more scenes or an epilogue, trying to explain the impossible.


Don't get me wrong, I really hope that it's not as I suppose. But we'll have to stand strong, keep together and HOLD THE LINE.

[The Big Palooka]

Reposting this poll.  Hopefully, Bioware does in fact speak 'Poll'.

social.bioware.com/3114855/polls/30216/

[Computim]

Atrocity wrote...

Phew, just finished typing the response to the feedback thread. I might have given my response to bioware more thought than many of my essays >_>

More thought than they gave the ending anyway *snickers*

[Hendrik.III]

HOLD THE LINE people.

Ray's statement holds can be summarized as "we're working on something."
His position within the organisation is irrelevant to our cause.

That cause is an ending based on our choices. THAT is what they promised us, THAT is what Mass Effect is all about. THAT is what we've been investing in these last five, long and delightful years. If they think they can "assume direct control" of Shepard and make a worn-out, colourful multiple choice ending with a new cinematic stapled to it, THEY ARE WRONG. We must NOT accept it.

We fight for what was promised us
We fight for what Shepard and this franchise deserve
We fight for our emotional investment, dedication and loyalty towards the franchise.
We fight for what will make this franchise 100% PERFECT.

But do not forget: we fight with patience, self-control and in a civil manner. We respect BioWare greatly, we understand and appreciate their hard work. But we must fight to help them make this series the BEST damn game series ever produced. That includes an ending that is in harmony with the game. That NEEDS an ending that is in harmony with the games.

So link those arms, and don those helmets.
Keep those chins up and stand firm.
HOLD THAT DAMN LINE.

For our sake, for Shepard's sake, and for BioWare's sake. Together we can do this!

Modifié par Hendrik.III, 21 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[ChristianTh]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Just want to highlight this in here:

Stygian1 wrote...

1. BioWare seems to think, or at least say, that what we are all angry about is that the ending didn't provide enough closure. Heh.

I think we ALL in Retake need to make this our focus now. We DO NOT JUST WANT CLOSURE. How about an ending without plotholes galore? How about some actual choice and consuquences? So lets set our focus on letting them know 100% that we want more than closure. HOLD THE LINE.

They only recognize what they want. So we will only buy what we are pleased with. We weren' t pleased with ME3 so we will never buy any BW-game and when they ask why we can honestly say: "Your last product hasn' t statisfied us." Seeing only what you want works in both direct and it looks like BW has to learn this lesson the hard way with us. Let' s face it. BW is on its way to become anthoer casualgamedeveloper. Cause only casualgamer will buy games from magazinereviews after this ME3-endingthing...

[Captain_Obvious]

Nilofeliu wrote...

Quotes from Forbes articles referring to the big annoucement...

*snip*

And Holding the Line...

Reminds me of the Spider Jerusalem quote:  "Journalism is just a gun. It's only got one bullet in it, but if you aim right, that's all you need. Aim it right, and you can blow a kneecap off the world." 

Hold the line. 

[MysticBinary82]

Wow Forbes is very fast on that subject. It was a good read btw. Very good to have such a good War asset

Someone should contact Drew Karpyshyn to write a new Ending. Maybe he can correct this mess.

[Generic Name]

[quote]DJBare wrote...
We have not got anything yet, all we have got so far is "WORDS"[/quote]  
[/quote]

Empty hollow words that were just like the ending. I'm growing tired of this.

Hold the line.

[CimCake]

naes1984 wrote...

CimCake wrote...

Yeah, I mean, it's obvious that they are good writers. It's easy to see in the rest of the game(s). 
So they must've known the problems, and they probably knew that most of us would see the problems too. 
This makes me think that they actually weren't surprised and that they're just trying to cover up their mess :/
(I just refuse to believe that they think that their fanbase are idiots who can't see a plothole even if they were falling through it ;  )

I really think they were rushed. The boss battle with the illusive man was supposed to be a real fight. That was scrapped. There is no dialogue wheel with the star child which suggests that they didn't have the time they needed.

Yeah, I have the N7: CE and the "boss look" of the illusive man is one of the coolest character artworks in there. Really sad that we didn't get to face off against him, though I kinda like the conversation with him at the end, I've been itching to proove him wrong since I first layed eyes on him haha. I would like a boss fight though, maybe not him, but a boss fight is a good way to end a epic tale I think (Saren ME1 and Ganondorf/Ganon in Zelda) it really puts you in a good mindset for an ending IMO.

[SpaRR]

DarthShadow13 wrote...

I love the "art" argument.

"So BioWare, why did you create so many plot holes in the last 10min of the game?"

"It's art, you wouldnt understand."

This , i'm sad after read this letter , i don't want a closure to this ending , i want a new ending with closure , it's different.

[honourshield]

To those feeling disheartened after reading the Ray Muzyka article : Don't be.

If anything, the fact this article exists now shows to me that we're getting to 'em. It gives me hope that we'll win this war in the end. Now is when we must show the true extent of our grit more than ever.

Not an Inch falls to the enemy! Hold the Line!

[Dargus007]

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

[firstarioch]

WE are almost there ....ALMOST ..I can smell victory.
But dont stop the pressure .
Tomorrow TIMES in London. Editor is doing his best to have us there.
And Guardian emailed me that they are working on it...
Lets see...
Everyone write more here... dont stop !!!!
HOLD THE LINE!!!

[mulder1199]

honourshield wrote...

To those feeling disheartened after reading the Ray Muzyka article : Don't be.

If anything, the fact this article exists now shows to me that we're getting to 'em. It gives me hope that we'll win this war in the end. Now is when we must show the true extent of our grit more than ever.

Not an Inch falls to the enemy! Hold the Line!

acknowledgement of the issue is great, it is....but you are correct, we must hold the line until change is upon us!