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[firstarioch]

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17458208

[Phoenix NL]

In case this hasn't been posted yet - found on BBC news -
http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17458208

Still a little vague but they are listening!

[firstarioch]

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17458208

Thank you again DAVE(BBC) for this support.

[baronkohinar]

Just walking through downtown Chicago and passing the stock exchange. Of course this is of course where our branch of occupy wall street had been hanging out mere months ago. However, now they're all gone. Sure, this probably had something to do with the weather but it's been pretty nice this week and, guess what? They haven't come back. The barriers to keep the protesters back are still here, it's the protesters themselves that are missing. I guess my point is this: they must not have believed in their cause as much as they claimed or they'd still be here. So let's take a lesson from their mistakes: we need a unified position, we need to decide what it is exactly that we want, and then we need to hold the line until we get it.

[mulder1199]

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Wow Forbes is very fast on that subject. It was a good read btw. Very good to have such a good War asset

Someone should contact Drew Karpyshyn to write a new Ending. Maybe he can correct this mess.

drew is still employed by bw/ea no? more than likely we get company line from him, or nothing at all.....am i wrong? i thought he was on SWTOR detail?

[Misterdde45000]

I guess we should not drift from our main goal. And also that we should not " accuse " EA to have the game rushed.

The fact that they send Dr. to pass us the message we already had " we are taking your feedback thanks " meaned that we are louder than they expected.

So what's now until april ? We must keep our cool and let them know we are watching them. Our message has passed yes, but we must ensure it had passed the way we wanted it. We are not asking for developping the end"s" to fill the plot hole only, we are asking for diversify, clear yet logical endings. We must tell them the end they cook for us is not wrong by itself, but rather is wrong because it's our only option.

Also we don't need to push the indoctrination theorie further. They are well aware of that ( or they must be blind ). Even if some people among us made AAA endings, we need to point them in the good direction and let their art flow. After all the Dr was correct in one statements... The game is one of the better they made so far.

Now they just need to make the better endingS they made so far. this is our fight. This is why we are holding the line. This is why childs will have brands of new toys. This is what we are believe in.

/salute

[Iucounou]

Some information and humour to help people cope. If you can think of more, post them and I'll include them in this list and re-post every once in a while.

Reviews:

Gamefront's 5 reasons the fans are right
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/
Angry Joe's top 10 reasons to hate the ME3 ending

ME3 endings comparison

Jeremy Jahns ending review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4
Archengeia's thoughts on the ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUqAhKW7498&feature=youtu.be
The California Literary Review
http://calitreview.com/24673
Forbes' Myth of Entitlement
http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/
The Mary Sue review
http://www.themarysu...ee-as-possible/
BBC Technology News article
http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

Podcasts:

The Paranoid Gamer (Lions and Tigers and Bioware, Oh my!)
http://theparanoidga...-bioware-oh-my/
Spill.com (Ending spoiler review)
http://my.spill.com/...logPost:5224387

Inspirational stuff:

The Commander Shepard song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiRDJLcYua0
The Hold the Line video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JspE9ctseIU
Commander Shepard is still a jerk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PjTuSQNLI4
Mass Effect - In the End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCddYcOGYUg&feature=related


Satire and Parody:

ME3 Recontextualised
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWIimukNeAE
Mass Deffect 7 Shepard's Reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzYLTbQQEZQ&feature=related
The Animal House ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4iNJXrHA_I
Mass Deffect Monster Reaper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyoev5RzO_w
Japanime ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAmVVAjZZeM
Marauder Shields - He gave his life trying to save us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNoIwHychkY&feature=youtu.be
Marauder Shields comic strip
http://koobismo.devi...rt.com/gallery/

Twitter:

HarbytheReaper
https://twitter.com/#!/HarbyTheReaper

Images and Pictures:

VGCats #300
http://www.vgcats.co...ages/120318.jpg
What it should have said on the box
http://i14.photobuck...me3ba_super.jpg
What the kittens think of it all
http://i14.photobuck...s/ME3Boldly.jpg
Marauder Shields
http://koobismo.devi...andomize:1&qo=4

[BuddhaGeek]

Hendrik.III wrote...

HOLD THE LINE people.

Ray's statement holds can be summarized as "we're working on something."
His position within the organisation is irrelevant to our cause.

That cause is an ending based on our choices. THAT is what they promised us, THAT is what Mass Effect is all about. THAT is what we've been investing in these last five, long and delightful years. If they think they can "assume direct control" of Shepard and make a worn-out, colourful multiple choice ending with a new cinematic stapled to it, THEY ARE WRONG. We must NOT accept it.

We fight for what was promised us
We fight for what Shepard and this franchise deserve
We fight for our emotional investment, dedication and loyalty towards the franchise.
We fight for what will make this franchise 100% PERFECT.

But do not forget: we fight with patience, self-control and in a civil manner. We respect BioWare greatly, we understand and appreciate their hard work. But we must fight to help them make this series the BEST damn game series ever produced. That includes an ending that is in harmony with the game. That NEEDS an ending that is in harmony with the games.

So link those arms, and don those helmets.
Keep those chins up and stand firm.
HOLD THAT DAMN LINE.

For our sake, for Shepard's sake, and for BioWare's sake. Together we can do this!

Exactly!! I can not stress this enough! Do not let our message get lost or misread! This isn't just about clarification or some tacked-on epilogue!  It's about being promised choices only to recieve none.  At least it's that way for me.  When they said that we would be given up to sixteen different endings vastly different based off of our choices, we expected as much (or at least I did). 

To me it felt like I walked into a room with 16 doors only to find that behind 13 of them, was a wall of reinforced concrete...  <_<

[Rammastus]

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

**Spoilers**


Personally, I think that a fitting sacrifice should have been the entire crew dying. I never once thought what the hell was that during the ending. I understood what was going on and I'm not sure why you guys didn't.

BUT, while I disagree, the majority of you guys (and gals) are remaining civil about it and I respect you in that. Good luck and keep to your guns.

[Atrocity]

BuddhaGeek wrote...


Exactly!! I can not stress this enough! Do not let our message get lost or misread! This isn't just about clarification or some tacked-on epilogue!  It's about being promised choices only to recieve none.  At least it's that way for me.  When they said that we would be given up to sixteen different endings vastly different based off of our choices, we expected as much (or at least I did). 

To me it felt like I walked into a room with 16 doors only to find that behind 13 of them, was a wall of reinforced concrete...  <_<

And 3 of the doors were painted with pretty colours 

[MordiMoro]

Art? Bad Ending patchwork rushes no sense...art?
Somewhere, Kojima is laughing.

(And I'm no fan of Kojima)

Modifié par MordiMoro, 21 mars 2012 - 05:51 .

[WvStolzing]

 Before I log off for the day, I'll post this again.

Just for laughs:

In A.D. 2101 war was beginning.

Shepard: What happen?

@RetakeME3: Somebody set up us the blog.

M. Shields: We get signal.

Shepard: What !

@RetakeME3: Blog screen turn on.

Shepard: It's You!!!

PR-Speak: How are you gentlemen !!
PR-Speak: All your concerns are belong to us
PR-Speak: You are on the way to explanation

Shepard: What you say !!

PR-Speak: You have no chance to understand, need help
PR-Speak: HA HA HA HA ....

Shepard: Write down every well thought out response
Shepard: You know what you doing
Shepard: Move well thought-out response
Shepard: FOR GREAT JUSTICE

Modifié par WvStolzing, 21 mars 2012 - 05:51 .

[firstarioch]

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17458208
Done this as well for us.
Dave(BBC) is on our side now.

[Jorojr]

So when BioWare degenerates into a studio of "Starving Artists," as the fans abandon them in droves, they can always say they stood by their artistic integrity..

Artistic integrity can result in fans voting with our collective wallets. Some fans have already re-cast their vote with the current offering. Others will cast their vote with titles yet to come. The ball is in their court. Does BioWare want to be served at the table or do they want to be the ones serving the table?

Modifié par Jorojr, 21 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[Iucounou]

Rammastus wrote...

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

**Spoilers**


Personally, I think that a fitting sacrifice should have been the entire crew dying. I never once thought what the hell was that during the ending. I understood what was going on and I'm not sure why you guys didn't.

BUT, while I disagree, the majority of you guys (and gals) are remaining civil about it and I respect you in that. Good luck and keep to your guns.

I must respectfully point you to any of the review links in the post I made above for clarification on why the endings was bad.

Also, I suspect when the truth of all this comes out, you will be as angry then as some of us are now.

[ld1449]

See...when you look at a painting, or a sculpture...you see it for what it is. You get the whole picture *no pun intended* You can look at it up down, left right, upside down right side up. You can see it from every angle and say definitively. "I like" or "I don't like"

Any artist that hypes up his own work, like its the next best thing since Pablo Picasso charges people to come see it, fills up the hallway, and then pulls back the curtain to reveal a bowl of fruit-loops on a pedestal, I guarantee you no one is gonna take in his "Artistic" expression. They're gonna feel cheated, and downright pissed.

Which is what's happening here.

Tear down this *Art* wall they've errected like we tore down the Vocal Minority bull**** and the Entitled gamer bull****.

They can stone wall you all they want, it just means we need bigger cannons

[Sterenn]

Rammastus wrote...

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

**Spoilers**


Personally, I think that a fitting sacrifice should have been the entire crew dying. I never once thought what the hell was that during the ending. I understood what was going on and I'm not sure why you guys didn't.

BUT, while I disagree, the majority of you guys (and gals) are remaining civil about it and I respect you in that. Good luck and keep to your guns.

The change in the endings would be optionnal I think. So discontent players like me could have the endings we deserve and happy players like you could keep the ones they love.

[FinalEndeavor]

Rammastus wrote...

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

**Spoilers**


Personally, I think that a fitting sacrifice should have been the entire crew dying. I never once thought what the hell was that during the ending. I understood what was going on and I'm not sure why you guys didn't.

BUT, while I disagree, the majority of you guys (and gals) are remaining civil about it and I respect you in that. Good luck and keep to your guns.

they main thing i think most people want here is additional endings. not to remove the endings we have now

[Teleraine]

I'm not really sure how I feel about the Muzyka article on the one hand its nice that hes acknowledging the issues. On the other I'm sceptical that building on something awful would make it any less awful.

I just want the choice to have good, bad, bittersweet endings like a large part of their pre-release marketing led me to believe.

My faith in Bioware is not what it was and to be honest I would really have to know much more about any Bioware product before A. Preordering and B. even buying it because I find it hard to trust BW any longer in a story telling capacity without going for a illogical ending just to buck the current fad/trend.

[lijygr]

For me the Ray's statement means the following:

1) They're still not convinced to change the endings. All this "artistic choices", "artistic integrity", "artistic this, artistic that" babbling means only one thing for me: it's their (BioWare's) vision, and they're not going to abandon this that simple

2)They're still didn't get it, and they hope that we'll buy their tricks with the "existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content". This part is especially interesting: "In return, I’d ask that you help us do that by supporting what I truly believe is the best game BioWare has yet crafted. I urge you to do your own research: play the game, finish it and tell us what you think. Tell your friends if you feel it’s a good game as a whole. Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback".

This sounds to me like: promote our game to others, keep buying our stuff, raise our profit, and meanwhile we'll think how to address this problem, and hopefully your rage will disappear after some time.

Guys, you've lost the trust, and you must to regain it by accepting that your vision for endings was bad and senseless - without any "artistic" hubaluba, and by fixing these endings .


3)They're still trying to convince us that they're right and we behave  ... unexpectedly ( "The reaction ... has been unprecedented.", "more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score", blah-blah-blah)

 
But there is the hope for us (#RetakeMassEffect movement members) - now greater than ever: BioWare lost their self-confidence. We're still holding the line, and will keep holding.  Dropping sales will make them more accessible to the criticism - be it "destructive" or "constructive". So, sooner that later they will reach the "Acceptance" stage and we will get what we want - the endings that make sense.

HOLD THE LINE!

[Atrocity]

Rammastus wrote...

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

**Spoilers**


Personally, I think that a fitting sacrifice should have been the entire crew dying. I never once thought what the hell was that during the ending. I understood what was going on and I'm not sure why you guys didn't.

BUT, while I disagree, the majority of you guys (and gals) are remaining civil about it and I respect you in that. Good luck and keep to your guns.

Ah, you must have misinterpreted what we mean by 'changing' the ending. Of course the ideal situation, which all of us would like to see the best, is that the changed ending(s) is added to the game, with the original still existing, and being awailable through in-game choices to those who enjoyed it, or if the new ending would be released via DLC, the people who like the original would of course not have to download it 

[Sacred Of the Grey Wardens]

Rammastus wrote...

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

**Spoilers**


Personally, I think that a fitting sacrifice should have been the entire crew dying. I never once thought what the hell was that during the ending. I understood what was going on and I'm not sure why you guys didn't.

BUT, while I disagree, the majority of you guys (and gals) are remaining civil about it and I respect you in that. Good luck and keep to your guns.

1) Sure we'd like the bugs fixed, the import face bug gets on my nerves so it'd be nice if they fixed that.

2) Well technically we don't want the ending changed, what we are looking for is a dlc that either creates new endings, while leaving the old ones alone so as not to take away from the players who liked them, OR get a dlc that adds on to the old ending to give a better view on how our choices effected the game and what happens to the galaxy,crew, LI after the reapers are destroyed.

Thank you for the luck, and thank you for sharing your opinion, we like hearing from other players, it's always nice.

Sacred out

[naes1984]

MordiMoro wrote...

Art? Bad Ending patchwork rushes no sense...art?
Somewhere, Kojima is laughing.

(And I'm no fan of Kojima)

Maybe we can take "Revengeance"... what a dumb name for a game.

[MysticBinary82]

mulder1199 wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Wow Forbes is very fast on that subject. It was a good read btw. Very good to have such a good War asset

Someone should contact Drew Karpyshyn to write a new Ending. Maybe he can correct this mess.

drew is still employed by bw/ea no? more than likely we get company line from him, or nothing at all.....am i wrong? i thought he was on SWTOR detail?

No he left to focus on other writing projects but maybe he read the ME3 script and just could not help himself and had to leave.

[Masrim]

Rammastus wrote...

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

**Spoilers**


Personally, I think that a fitting sacrifice should have been the entire crew dying. I never once thought what the hell was that during the ending. I understood what was going on and I'm not sure why you guys didn't.

BUT, while I disagree, the majority of you guys (and gals) are remaining civil about it and I respect you in that. Good luck and keep to your guns.

My issue with the ending was, that I remember a promise there would be 16 different endings, in which case I thought we'd see a wide variety of outcomes. Instead we get much fewer options with much less variability.