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[Annaleah]

MordiMoro wrote...

Art? Bad Ending patchwork rushes no sense...art?
Somewhere, Kojima is laughing.

(And I'm no fan of Kojima)

I know, right? Kojima could write a better ending than that in his sleep and I hate his writing! 

[DJBare]

Rammastus wrote... 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

Your numbers, we are still struggling to get anything meaningful with over 50,000 followers, apart from that, there is not a thing stopping you from trying.

[TumblingBumblebee]

Linking again the three new articles on Forbes.com:
http://www.forbes.co...ffect-3-ending/
http://www.forbes.co...ending-sort-of/
http://www.forbes.co...veryones-heads/

Modifié par TumblingBumblebee, 21 mars 2012 - 06:00 .

[MordiMoro]

Masrim wrote...

Rammastus wrote...

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

**Spoilers**


Personally, I think that a fitting sacrifice should have been the entire crew dying. I never once thought what the hell was that during the ending. I understood what was going on and I'm not sure why you guys didn't.

BUT, while I disagree, the majority of you guys (and gals) are remaining civil about it and I respect you in that. Good luck and keep to your guns.

My issue with the ending was, that I remember a promise there would be 16 different endings, in which case I thought we'd see a wide variety of outcomes. Instead we get much fewer options with much less variability.

16 endings described in the guides...

[galaxidj]

Rammastus wrote...

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?


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1) No, i'd rather they put out the 16 endings we were promised that are effected by our choices in past games.
2) That wont happen aslong as the "New Endings" are published as DLC. People can decide themselfs to download the contend or not.

[Fox544]

DJBare wrote...

Rammastus wrote... 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

Your numbers, we are still struggling to get anything meaningful with over 50,000 followers, apart from that, there is not a thing stopping you from trying.

Also if they change the endings I'm sure it will be optional. Thus gathering to have an optional add-on removed would be laughable.

[Gi-Joe-Ge]

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[wicked_being]

SpaRR wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...

I love the "art" argument.

"So BioWare, why did you create so many plot holes in the last 10min of the game?"

"It's art, you wouldnt understand."

This , i'm sad after read this letter , i don't want a closure to this ending , i want a new ending with closure , it's different.

Same. I have a bad feeling about this though. They'll probably release a DLC that'll justify the annoying godchild, why Shepard was acting out of character, why Joker was running from battle and how the squad magically teleported to the Normandy.

DLC 1 =  a 10-minute cut scene solely to explain why the godchild is important. ($10)
DLC 2 =  a 10-minute dream sequence plus a scene where Shepard wakes up and realizes he should be more submissive especially when a ghostly kid in space gives him "choices" ($10)
DLC 3 = a 5-minute cutscene which shows Shepard buying a teleportation device from the Citadel and telling Joker to hang around a mass relay just for the heck of it. ($10)

[DifferentD17]

DJBare wrote...

Rammastus wrote... 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

Your numbers, we are still struggling to get anything meaningful with over 50,000 followers, apart from that, there is not a thing stopping you from trying.

I'm sure not many people are going to be outraged they are trying to improve the ending.

Besides it will probably be DLC, so you just dont have to download it.

[QwibQwib]

You guys should stop posting these links for a while, like every 5 pages.

Modifié par QwibQwib, 21 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[MordiMoro]

Annaleah wrote...

MordiMoro wrote...

Art? Bad Ending patchwork rushes no sense...art?
Somewhere, Kojima is laughing.

(And I'm no fan of Kojima)

I know, right? Kojima could write a better ending than that in his sleep and I hate his writing! 

Angers that 99% of the game is very well written ... but the ending is narratively obscene!

[Hazelrah]

Just stopping by to see the news. I did read the statement Dr. Ray Muzyka put out. Nothing really given away as such so I would encourage people not to jump to conclusions. The wording is vague enough that it does not provide anything solid but does at least indicate something will be said in April.

On the use of the 'art' defense I'm not massively impressed. Somehow I don't think BioWare would be happy to produce 'art' at a loss or to just break even. Therefore it's a consumer product that is being purchased. Without loyal consumers who are happy with what they produce they won't be able to keep making anything (not making threats or implying anything - these are simply facts of being a business in this type of industry).

Finally I was disapointed with the suggestion that those complaining about the ending were in some way becoming destructive. While occasional posts occur now and again with players reaching the limit of their tollerance and forsaking BioWare, the vast majority have been nothing but constructive for what is now clearly into hundreds of thousands of posts on these forums.

Given the nature of the modern internet and the expectation of immediate/quick responses to issues and questions a great deal of patience has been shown by the masses and I think praise for this was deserved but not delivered. On a personal note I remain impressed by this group's insistance on a constructive (if, unfortunately, currently one directional) discorse.

[Mr Chr15topher]

I have just messaged Dr Muzyka about his earlier blog to try to explain to him what the movement is about. Don't worry, I was very civil and explained why we felt the endings didn't fit the universe that we all love in as polite a way as possible while still getting every major problem across.
I will let you know if he messages back.
Holding the line and hoping for the best.

[DJBare]

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Modifié par DJBare, 21 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[Phoenix NL]

Firstly I would like to extend many thanks to Dr. Muzyka for replying to fans. It is nice to hear something from Bioware and I am very encouraged that they are listening to us. I will wait to see what they come up with because I do understand that they don't want to completely destroy their own artistic integrity - fair enough. However, I am still a little wary as I do feel that to an extent we are still looked upon as the vocal minority. "Some of our most passionate fans" vs "most folks agree". I know that everything is up for interpretation but I just want to clarify again - I LOVED ME3 - I think they did an incredible job and really did amazingly well at tying up loose ends - until the ending. That is and has always been my issue, that doesn't mean that I don't like the game, it's just the ending.

[naes1984]

Masrim wrote...

Rammastus wrote...

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

**Spoilers**


Personally, I think that a fitting sacrifice should have been the entire crew dying. I never once thought what the hell was that during the ending. I understood what was going on and I'm not sure why you guys didn't.

BUT, while I disagree, the majority of you guys (and gals) are remaining civil about it and I respect you in that. Good luck and keep to your guns.

My issue with the ending was, that I remember a promise there would be 16 different endings, in which case I thought we'd see a wide variety of outcomes. Instead we get much fewer options with much less variability.

There were 3 endings if we are being generous. Saying that there are 16 endings is like saying there are more than 2 endings to ME2.
There were 2 endings to ME1: Council LIVE or Council DIE. There were 2 endings to ME2: DESTROY Base KEEP Base. Dead companions in ME2 don't really multiple the # of endings in my opinion.  All the other decisions are ancilliary. For example getting Kasumi killed in ME2 doesn't doesn't affect the ultimate decision to DESTROY or KEEP the Collector Base. Having her (or some other compnaion live) doesn't open up a third option to for example turn the base over to the Council or turn it over to the Alliance. Someone could theoretically say there's hundreds of endings because of every possible variation of every decision made But it wouldn't really be accurate because we're looking 1 of 3 cutscenes at the end.

[firstarioch]

the guy(DAVE) at the BBC which took my story yesterday and the one I campaigned so hard for is doing follow up !!!
Thanks Dave. owe you beer now mate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17458208

[firstarioch]

we are not some kind of vocal minority anymore.

[FinalEndeavor]

DJBare wrote...

list of all the links

appreciate all the links but we are getting these every 10 posts it seems like now:wizard:

[Computim]

I should have kept the Collector Base... I could have shown up at earth with it and been like "Hey Citadel Kid.. Collect this!" And then detonated it next to him
 

[Tiger]

Computim wrote...

I should have kept the Collector Base... I could have shown up at earth with it and been like "Hey Citadel Kid.. Collect this!" And then detonated it next to him
 

That would've been a better ending then the one we got...

[elirian_19]

I personally won't be happy with, "well space magic was created by more space magic!" For me it's a new ending or nothing. I'm happy for those who'll accept new DLC explaining the end a little more (though I have no idea how BW could make sense of this mess) but to me there's no way I can accept an explanation for starchild and his warped logic.

Still holding the line. Still hoping for the ending (sad, tragic or otherwise) that was promised to me.

[WvStolzing]

FinalEndeavor wrote...
appreciate all the links but we are getting these every 10 posts it seems like now:wizard:

Given that there's no proper search function on these forums, I think that's a very good thing. It helps orient newcomers, and directs people to some of the best analyses of the problem so far.

Besides, it helps us track news updates. (So that people don't have to ask 'anything new?' every 5 posts)

[Conspicuous Cake]

 Cake reporting in!

Anything big happen while I was away?

Oh, and I got a PM from a fellow ME fan that can't post here is this thread.
She asked me to post these two reviews/articles she did.
So here they are!

[RatedRRachel]

So, just watched Yahtzee's review. Not as negative as I thought it might have been, but I did like the analogy about the ending being like a balloon with its air being let out. That's exactly how I felt... except I haven't regained much of the air.

Also, happy to see some response from Bioware. Even if it isn't all that informative, it's good to hear that they are still hearing us. Small victories, but still a victory.