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elirian_19 wrote...

I personally won't be happy with, "well space magic was created by more space magic!" For me it's a new ending or nothing. I'm happy for those who'll accept new DLC explaining the end a little more (though I have no idea how BW could make sense of this mess) but to me there's no way I can accept an explanation for starchild and his warped logic.

Still holding the line. Still hoping for the ending (sad, tragic or otherwise) that was promised to me.


Space Magic is a versatile creative medium though. Image IPB

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Probably old news by now but just in case http://www.g4tv.com/...gamer-concerns/

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FinalEndeavor wrote...
list of all the links appreciate all the links but we are getting these every 10 posts it seems like now:wizard:

Every two or three pages so that newcomers can get the information, we know very well most are not going to start at the beginning of the thread and work there way through over 2000 pages, it would be nice if the OP could update the first page.

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Sorry Bioware, you cannot call the ending art, unless of course gaping plot holes are now classified as art?

Modifié par DJBare, 21 mars 2012 - 06:11 .


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WvStolzing wrote...

FinalEndeavor wrote...
appreciate all the links but we are getting these every 10 posts it seems like now:wizard:


Given that there's no proper search function on these forums, I think that's a very good thing. It helps orient newcomers, and directs people to some of the best analyses of the problem so far.

Besides, it helps us track news updates. (So that people don't have to ask 'anything new?' every 5 posts)


i agree with you but a few posts up was a big list with the recent or important articles. basically mutliple people are posting the same thing or similar and it is a huge wall of links so close to eachother. i know its just people trying to help but if alot of those links were just posted a few posts i dont think it needs to be posted again so soon haha

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naes1984 wrote...

Masrim wrote...

Rammastus wrote...

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

**Spoilers**


Personally, I think that a fitting sacrifice should have been the entire crew dying. I never once thought what the hell was that during the ending. I understood what was going on and I'm not sure why you guys didn't.

BUT, while I disagree, the majority of you guys (and gals) are remaining civil about it and I respect you in that. Good luck and keep to your guns. :)

My issue with the ending was, that I remember a promise there would be 16 different endings, in which case I thought we'd see a wide variety of outcomes. Instead we get much fewer options with much less variability.


there was no technical issue that really took away from the experience for me that i couldn't overlook.....the end was what kiled me.....

glad you liked the end.....most of us want added endings, keeping the ones there already for those that liked them.....with some clarity on what happens with the crew (how did they end up on the normandy)

tbh.....had they added 1-2 more ending options along with the endings availble i wouldn't be here.....i have 15 sheps i wouldn't want the same one everytime... the chief reason i loved this series and told everybody about it was that your actions made the story go in a different direction

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DJBare wrote...

FinalEndeavor wrote...
list of all the links appreciate all the links but we are getting these every 10 posts it seems like now:wizard:

Every two or three pages so that newcomers can get the information, we know very well most are not going to start at the beginning of the thread and work there way through over 2000 pages, it would be nice if the OP could update the first page.


yea i know but i was reading the posts and someone above you posted alot of the links and then i saw yours haha!! that is what i was getting at


every few pages is good but something on the same page i think is to close lol

Modifié par FinalEndeavor, 21 mars 2012 - 06:13 .


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BioWare 'fixes' the ending:

Casper: ...oh, and one more thing. I heard that you were concerned about the fate of your ship and crew; so I've seen to it that they inexplicably end up getting stranded on a jungle planet, so that their fate wouldn't remain unexplained.

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FinalEndeavor wrote...

i agree with you but a few posts up was a big list with the recent or important articles. basically mutliple people are posting the same thing or similar and it is a huge wall of links so close to eachother. i know its just people trying to help but if alot of those links were just posted a few posts i dont think it needs to be posted again so soon haha


We could just post one link to a topic on the BW forums which contains the whole list of links.

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Don´t know if somebody already told this, but  the german game magazine Gamestar released a "special Mass Effect magazine" today... one of the topics in that magazine is:

The best ending: How you make the right decision for the finale

I lol´d

Modifié par Ossborn76, 21 mars 2012 - 06:14 .


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WvStolzing wrote...

BioWare 'fixes' the ending:

Casper: ...oh, and one more thing. I heard that you were concerned about the fate of your ship and crew; so I've seen to it that they inexplicably end up getting stranded on a jungle planet, so that their fate wouldn't remain unexplained.


If that ends up being the ending I'm coming for you *dies laughing*

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Ossborn76 wrote...

Don´t know if somebody already told this, but today the german game magazine Gamestar released a "special Mass Effect magazine" today... one of the topics in that magazine is:

The best ending: How you make the right decision for the finale

I lol´d


The best ending... Marauder Shields. The right decision so you don't need to actually witness the finale. :wizard:

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DJBare wrote...

Sorry Bioware, you cannot call the ending art, unless of course gaping plot holes are now classified as art?

Exactly. Everything up to the ending I will gladly call art, but the ending was a case of pure lazyness.

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 Dont know if this was posted yet but IGN claims a new ending is on the way.:o

however no info just quoting the recent statement by Dr Muzyka

Modifié par andy310, 21 mars 2012 - 06:18 .


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Ossborn76 wrote...

Don´t know if somebody already told this, but  the german game magazine Gamestar released a "special Mass Effect magazine" today... one of the topics in that magazine is:

The best ending: How you make the right decision for the finale

I lol´d


Really? Is it available online or just at kiosks or stores?

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Whatever man. **** this ****. I can't believe it. I honestly cannot believe, with what we have given Bioware to work with (indoctrination of not only shepard but the PLAYER theirself) they refuse to actually just take it. How hard would it be to just take that and culminate everything we have done to the best ending of any video game ever.

Bioware has given us no reason to hope. Even if this were to be worked on we wouldn't get the real ending for months. I doubt I'll even care by then. They should've reacted far sooner to this outcry. It isn't worth being toyed with. Every day I talk about the endings I come to the conclusion that it cannot be anything but indoctrination and Bioware must have just been quiet so it wouldn't be ruined. This is less likely by the hour. Being civil to those not being civil with us, in that they do not engage in real discussion with the fans at all other than to say "we're listening," is a waste of time. I know you all have you hopes up. I'm sorry for you.

We won't change ME3 without drastic measure. And by the time that drastic measure is over we will have lost what we are fighting for. How long can you guys really deny that this is how the series ends? Why do you hope and trust now when Bioware has only betrayed us time and time again since joining EA? Did you not trust, hope, that Bioware would give us a good ending? This is the good ending. This is it. This is Bioware.

This relationship should be damage beyond repair. They are clearly intent on the current endings being THE endings. That alone should be so disheartening that we should all leave the series to die. We have bought a house only to find it has been rotting from the inside out. The once amazing purchase is now known to be hollow and unforgivable. It is unfortunate. This hurts me.

Staying in this relationship is a non-option. This relationship with bioware is much like being in an abusive relationship, where trust is betrayed, love is met with indifference and passionless responses, the abuser refusing to admit guilt, the abused clinging to what once was, the truth covered up by frantic explanations to justify the discourse, my personal fear that there just may not be any more good developers left, all of these things are happening to us now and more.

I hope you all realize how ironic this struggle is. We struggle against a force we do not understand, that we have no chance against, that will erase from our hearts all we loved about mass effect, that we have no choice in the end of this, that no matter what we do it will not matter, that this really only ends one way.

How long until you realize holding the line will never gain you any ground?

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elirian_19 wrote...

I personally won't be happy with, "well space magic was created by more space magic!" For me it's a new ending or nothing. I'm happy for those who'll accept new DLC explaining the end a little more (though I have no idea how BW could make sense of this mess) but to me there's no way I can accept an explanation for starchild and his warped logic.

Still holding the line. Still hoping for the ending (sad, tragic or otherwise) that was promised to me.




If this is the case, they just need to explain it further. But I'd like to see what happens afterwards.


Nex_Legis wrote...

Ossborn76 wrote...

Don´t know if somebody already told this, but  the german game magazine Gamestar released a "special Mass Effect magazine" today... one of the topics in that magazine is:

The best ending: How you make the right decision for the finale

I lol´d


Really? Is it available online or just at kiosks or stores?


Stores only, or maybe if you have a Premium membership online.

Modifié par Geda173, 21 mars 2012 - 06:17 .


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DJBare wrote...

Sorry Bioware, you cannot call the ending art, unless of course gaping plot holes are now classified as art?


Here, here

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Sweet Keela! could this be true? someone tell me that this could be true! If so then we've won! Probably.

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If bioware justify space magic with more space magic I think they will once again be surprised by the unprecedented vocal yet polite backlash

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Ossborn76 wrote...

Don´t know if somebody already told this, but  the german game magazine Gamestar released a "special Mass Effect magazine" today... one of the topics in that magazine is:

The best ending: How you make the right decision for the finale

I lol´d


Oh deary me, the endless fun Gamestar provides almost makes me feel guilty for skipping my German class today :lol:

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DJBare wrote...

Sorry Bioware, you cannot call the ending art, unless of course gaping plot holes are now classified as art?


Well said.

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andy310 wrote...

 Dont know if this was posted yet but IGN claims a new ending is on the way.:o


a little ways back, G4 and the BBC have updated as well, here though

we caution to hold the line until the results are here!

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Nex_Legis wrote...

Really? Is it available online or just at kiosks or stores?


just at kiosks

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I would like to start this topic by declaring that, everything that I write from here on, is meant to be taken as a constructive way to help better understand the conflicts that have arisen from the Mass Effect 3 ending controversy. If anyone from the Bioware staff is considered offended, I'm deeply sorry for that, and believe me that's not what I mean with the following words.

Having said so, I would like this words to be a vehicle for the Bioware team to understand what's behind this movement. Not that I am in any case its leader or the one who started it - but I think that, after the words from Ray Muzyka earlier today, that after all this time you still don't understand what this is all about. Let me be clear about it.

Just as you can hear some people saying that our movement is not entitled to demand a change of the ending and bla bla bla bla... let's stop right here. We do not demand that you change the ending, we demand that the promises made to us are fulfilled. If you don't remember those, you just need to check some of the other topics around here. So it is not about change, it's about coherence. And, as you said earlier today, this coherence can be reached from many different points - changing the ending or expanding upon it, or anything else you can think of. Even stating your mind about what it was suppossed to achieve on its own so we can also see it.

The second point is that, in order for us to see your point in the ending, it need to get rid of the plotholes. Same way, it can be done by expanding the endings, and not changing them.

Now, I want you to know this - even if a lot of the players think that the endings are bad, they are also open to understand them if they had more data to put tugether. But you can't expect us to do so when we have none.

I wanted to say all of those things because, from the things I read on the internet, I believe that you are not near understanding what's going on with your players. Being a student myself, I can compare the situation to when I fail at a given job - my teachers tell me why it's bad, and in order to arrage it I have to listen to them in order to not fail again. And in a career like mine, architecture, which involves treating people and thinking about them, you have to know when you've done something wrong and how to fix it. And I'm saying this because you have to realize that the endings are bad - from an objective point of view. They betrayed the promises that had been made, and they destroyed the lore that came with the universe.

Now my question is, how can you not see this?

Maybe it's because the information is being mislead by some parties in this controversy. Maybe it's because you are trying to know what players really want. But here comes the basic principle:

It's not about what the players want. It's about when something is right and when something is wrong.

And you can say that a lot of people are enjoying the games and bla bla bla... that doesn't make it right. A lot of people can love a bad building - even worst, a lot of people can despise a good building! But that doesn't change it from being a good or a bad piece of architecture.

Time puts things in their place - don't let what could be considered one of the greatest sagas of our generation be remembered as one of the greatest fails.

I really aprreciate your work, Bioware. Make Us Proud.

Hold the Line.