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[TobiTobsen]

Ossborn76 wrote...

Don´t know if somebody already told this, but  the german game magazine Gamestar released a "special Mass Effect magazine" today... one of the topics in that magazine is:

The best ending: How you make the right decision for the finale

I lol´d

Written by whom? Michael Graf? Daniel Matschijewsky? They both seemed to like the endings so it wouldn't surprise me.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 21 mars 2012 - 06:19 .

[Shattacular08]

While it does mean something that one of the co-founders was forced to address this issue, it is mostly fluff and empty promises at this point. I won't be satisfied and trust this company again till I'm actually playing a better more thought out ending to this great franchise. So I personally won't be letting up nor should anyone else. This is only the beginning.
HOLD THE LINE!

[Katsumi Liqueur]

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

 Cake reporting in!

Anything big happen while I was away?

Oh, and I got a PM from a fellow ME fan that can't post here is this thread.
She asked me to post these two reviews/articles she did.
So here they are!

Here, mate: blog.bioware.com/2012/03/21/4108/

[Benirus]

Trzeb wrote...

http://www.nydailyne...ksEnabled=false
Sweet Keela! could this be true? someone tell me that this could be true! If so then we've won! Probably.

Take it with a pinch of salt, if you read the blog where the Dr talks about it it might seem like they are just "fixing" the current ending.

Hold the line until we are certain

[Teleraine]

additional closure is such a bad phrase when a lot of requests seem to be for actually different endings

[Alikan]

Green man5490 wrote...

Probably old news by now but just in case http://www.g4tv.com/...gamer-concerns/

Its funny how some media states it, when they actually do not really say much at all. Then again gaming media (and even much of "real" journalism) today is not about making critical/investigate reporting but confirming bias and/or promoting special interests.

Modifié par Alikan, 21 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[Nilofeliu]

naes1984 wrote...

Masrim wrote...

Rammastus wrote...

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

**Spoilers**


Personally, I think that a fitting sacrifice should have been the entire crew dying. I never once thought what the hell was that during the ending. I understood what was going on and I'm not sure why you guys didn't.

BUT, while I disagree, the majority of you guys (and gals) are remaining civil about it and I respect you in that. Good luck and keep to your guns.

My issue with the ending was, that I remember a promise there would be 16 different endings, in which case I thought we'd see a wide variety of outcomes. Instead we get much fewer options with much less variability.

There were 3 endings if we are being generous. Saying that there are 16 endings is like saying there are more than 2 endings to ME2.
There were 2 endings to ME1: Council LIVE or Council DIE. There were 2 endings to ME2: DESTROY Base KEEP Base. Dead companions in ME2 don't really multiple the # of endings in my opinion.  All the other decisions are ancilliary. For example getting Kasumi killed in ME2 doesn't doesn't affect the ultimate decision to DESTROY or KEEP the Collector Base. Having her (or some other compnaion live) doesn't open up a third option to for example turn the base over to the Council or turn it over to the Alliance. Someone could theoretically say there's hundreds of endings because of every possible variation of every decision made But it wouldn't really be accurate because we're looking 1 of 3 cutscenes at the end.

Though I agree with you, there is one issue you didn't address properly. There is a huge difference between endings and choices.

The issue is not how many endings we had, but how thmany choices were presented for us. For instance, in ME1 we had 2 main choices in the end. First, whether to save the council or not; second, to chose wither Udina or Anderson as council member (though they pulled a Deus Ex Machina in the novels to force Udina on us on ME3). In fact, we only had 1 ending, which was Sheppard walking out of the door saying he was going after the reapers. But the final choices plus all the choices during the game, gave us a sense of satisfaction and closure, not to mention accomplishment.

In Mass Effect 2 we had also all those little choices during the game, and most importantly, we had all the loyalty quests. It is true that in the end we only had 2 choices, to either destroy the base or not, however depending on who you had with you, who was loyal or not, the endings itself were totally different. In some endings a lot of the squad members died, if not all including Sheppard. On others few or none died. It is not simply a matter of final choice = endings, because the endings were never based simply on that final choice, though it took a lot from it.

Now in Mass Effect 3, once again we had all those little choices during the game, and some big ones too (gethx quarian peace, genophobe, etc.) and they kept on adding up to the game momentum until we reached the end. Here once again we were presented with a choice. In fact, we had 3 options, instead of 2 from the previous games. However it is not the number of options we were given that frustrate us, is how detached they were from the rest of the game. It feels like we had been doing a complex math equation only to find out that x = cat ... Does it make sense to any of you? I know it didn't to me.

So, it is not about the lack of choices (we got plenty of those), and it is not about the number of options in the final choice. The problem is how the last options were totally independant from the game, and it forced the endings to follow the same path. The 3 possible endings (which in fact was 1) had no connection to the game or the series. It felt detached, as in a dream state (a reason so many people believe int he indoc theory), and unlike the previous 2 games, the choices made DURING the game had no affect in these endings.

In fact, we didn't even need to play the entire game. Bioware should have just shipped the last 10 minutes and say "here is your ending" . It would have been less painful than we got instead.

/Salute

And Holding the line

[elirian_19]

Computim wrote...

I should have kept the Collector Base... I could have shown up at earth with it and been like "Hey Citadel Kid.. Collect this!" And then detonated it next to him
 

I wish. Also, this is the only way I could ever accept Starchild.

[mulder1199]

Teleraine wrote...

additional closure is such a bad phrase when a lot of requests seem to be for actually different endings

i've always assumed that the added endings would provide them....you hear me bioware....it would be folly to make the people mad that like your endings.....add some more (that also clear up the confusion) and a good time can be had by all

[Hazelrah]

Claims of a new ending do not appear to be BioWare endorsed but it could well be very humiliating for the company to appear to backtrack after such widespread mainstream publicity of the issue. It's a very interesting development.

As far as I am concerned nothing has been agreed, the situation is the same and we need to remain acting in the same appropriate manner.

[Ossborn76]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Written by whom? Michael Graf? Daniel Matschijewsky? They both seemed to like the endings so it wouldn't surprise me.

I don´t know, I didn´t see the magazine in stores yet... the only thing I know is, I am absof[beep]inglutely not going to buy it.

Modifié par Ossborn76, 21 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[Neezoy]

WvStolzing wrote...

BioWare 'fixes' the ending:

Casper: ...oh, and one more thing. I heard that you were concerned about the fate of your ship and crew; so I've seen to it that they inexplicably end up getting stranded on a jungle planet, so that their fate wouldn't remain unexplained.

I see what you did there

And, oh god, I hope not

[Benirus]

elirian_19 wrote...

Computim wrote...

I should have kept the Collector Base... I could have shown up at earth with it and been like "Hey Citadel Kid.. Collect this!" And then detonated it next to him
 

I wish. Also, this is the only way I could ever accept Starchild.

If we don't get a renegade option for Starchild, I'm going to be dissapointed

That little **** deserves a bullet between the eyes.

[Cybermortis]

Rammastus wrote...

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

**Spoilers**


Personally, I think that a fitting sacrifice should have been the entire crew dying. I never once thought what the hell was that during the ending. I understood what was going on and I'm not sure why you guys didn't.

BUT, while I disagree, the majority of you guys (and gals) are remaining civil about it and I respect you in that. Good luck and keep to your guns.

1; The technical issues are relatively minor and do not prevent the game from being played. They certainly do not prevent you from playing all three games in the series.

2; Any change to the ending would be through an optional download. If you are happy with the current ending you are not being forced to download and install the new endings.

[andy310]

mulder1199 wrote...

andy310 wrote...

 Dont know if this was posted yet but IGN claims a new ending is on the way.

a little ways back, G4 and the BBC have updated as well, here though

we caution to hold the line until the results are here!

oh dont worry Im holding strong

[RDSFirebane]

DJBare wrote...

Sorry Bioware, you cannot call the ending art, unless of course gaping plot holes are now classified as art?

"they lost all integrity when they promised a flexible-outcome game,
then did not deliver one. Their software is supposed to be a
role-playing game, which necessarily entails the player being the author
of the story to a great extent (that is the WHOLE POINT of RPGs).
Can you imagine a 5-year tabletop D&D campaign ending with the GM saying, “and then God comes down and kills you all. Cya.”

so no it isnt art its a interactive story as well all know. also I stole that from the forbes comments. ofcrourse DJBare they could always pull a 360 on us and declare it a new type of art O.o

[Bruinbear]

TerrifiedKiz wrote...

2 new Forbes articles
www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/21/did-the-real-mass-effect-3-ending-go-over-everyones-heads/

www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/21/bioware-co-founder-apologizes-to-fans-for-the-mass-effect-3-ending-sort-of/

Great articles.

[Nilofeliu]

Caelorummors wrote...

Whatever man. **** this ****. I can't believe it. I honestly cannot believe, with what we have given Bioware to work with (indoctrination of not only shepard but the PLAYER theirself) they refuse to actually just take it. How hard would it be to just take that and culminate everything we have done to the best ending of any video game ever.

Bioware has given us no reason to hope. Even if this were to be worked on we wouldn't get the real ending for months. I doubt I'll even care by then. They should've reacted far sooner to this outcry. It isn't worth being toyed with. Every day I talk about the endings I come to the conclusion that it cannot be anything but indoctrination and Bioware must have just been quiet so it wouldn't be ruined. This is less likely by the hour. Being civil to those not being civil with us, in that they do not engage in real discussion with the fans at all other than to say "we're listening," is a waste of time. I know you all have you hopes up. I'm sorry for you.

We won't change ME3 without drastic measure. And by the time that drastic measure is over we will have lost what we are fighting for. How long can you guys really deny that this is how the series ends? Why do you hope and trust now when Bioware has only betrayed us time and time again since joining EA? Did you not trust, hope, that Bioware would give us a good ending? This is the good ending. This is it. This is Bioware.

This relationship should be damage beyond repair. They are clearly intent on the current endings being THE endings. That alone should be so disheartening that we should all leave the series to die. We have bought a house only to find it has been rotting from the inside out. The once amazing purchase is now known to be hollow and unforgivable. It is unfortunate. This hurts me.

Staying in this relationship is a non-option. This relationship with bioware is much like being in an abusive relationship, where trust is betrayed, love is met with indifference and passionless responses, the abuser refusing to admit guilt, the abused clinging to what once was, the truth covered up by frantic explanations to justify the discourse, my personal fear that there just may not be any more good developers left, all of these things are happening to us now and more.

I hope you all realize how ironic this struggle is. We struggle against a force we do not understand, that we have no chance against, that will erase from our hearts all we loved about mass effect, that we have no choice in the end of this, that no matter what we do it will not matter, that this really only ends one way.

How long until you realize holding the line will never gain you any ground?

Nice argument and although I heartly agree with you, I am still holding the line...

I hold it for one reason. I refuse to let them win, I refuse to let them make a fool of me, I refuse to acknowledge we are powerless

It is no longer a matter of choice, it is no longer a matter of wanting a new ending.

It simply and plainly a matter of DUTY!

We are customers and we are entitled to a quality product. This is the bottom line, the one universal truth they can't hide nor run from it.

And for that reason alone, I will hold the line, and I know I won't do it alone..

WE ARE LEGION, FOR WE ARE MANY!

And as the Borgs always said "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!"

[Sacred Of the Grey Wardens]

Trzeb wrote...

http://www.nydailyne...ksEnabled=false
Sweet Keela! could this be true? someone tell me that this could be true! If so then we've won! Probably.

There have been a few articles like this that got posted after Ray Muzyka made his announcment, but so far nothing really solid to go on just yet. So just take this with a piece of salt for now, and if it does come true(We'll have to wait till April to see), then great. But still be cautious and try not to get your hopes up to high, could be in for a backlash if something bad happens instead of good.

Sacred, Holding the Line. and running out of salt.

Modifié par Sacred Of the Grey Wardens, 21 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[elirian_19]

braisbr1 wrote...

*snip*.

Did you post this in the official Dr. Ray thread? It needs to be there.

[Benirus]

Cybermortis wrote...

Rammastus wrote...

Just couple of questions for you guys...1) Wouldn't you rather see Bioware fix the technical issues before making a new ending? and 2) If you do succeed and get the ending changed, whats to stop those of us who liked the ending as is from doing the same thing your doing and getting it changed back?

**Spoilers**


Personally, I think that a fitting sacrifice should have been the entire crew dying. I never once thought what the hell was that during the ending. I understood what was going on and I'm not sure why you guys didn't.

BUT, while I disagree, the majority of you guys (and gals) are remaining civil about it and I respect you in that. Good luck and keep to your guns.

1; The technical issues are relatively minor and do not prevent the game from being played. They certainly do not prevent you from playing all three games in the series.

2; Any change to the ending would be through an optional download. If you are happy with the current ending you are not being forced to download and install the new endings.

This.

Also I agree with you the entire crew dying would be bittersweet, if there was a galaxy left to save. That's what I expected.

But with the current ending might be just as well that they didn't explain what happened after, would be awfully depressing.

"So one year after the Reapers where defeated, the final members of the Victory fleet starved to death, bearly 100 million remain on earth, the volus and elcor are extinct and generally everyone is ****ed"

yeah...

Hold the line.

[FinalEndeavor]

Sacred Of the Grey Wardens wrote...

Trzeb wrote...

http://www.nydailyne...ksEnabled=false
Sweet Keela! could this be true? someone tell me that this could be true! If so then we've won! Probably.

There have been a few articles like this that got posted after Ray Muzyka made his announcment, but so far nothing really solid to go on just yet. So just take this with a piece of salt for now, and if it does come true(We'll have to wait till April to see), then great. But still be cautious and try not to get your hopes up to high, could be in for a backlash if something bad happens instead of good.

Sacred, Holding the Line. and running out of salt.

yea we will have to wait until april. its still a guessing game as to what content initiatives will do. for all we know they will just try and make the endings we have now make sense. personally i think there are to many plot holes for them to try and makes these make sense but who knows

[Neezoy]

elirian_19 wrote...

braisbr1 wrote...

*snip*.

Did you post this in the official Dr. Ray thread? It needs to be there.

Agreed!

[Phoenix NL]

Please guys, let's not read inbetween the lines quite so much. It's incredibly positive that Bioware have come back and have accepted that they need to address the issue. They haven't given details but promise they will be given in April. Let's take their words at face value, give them a bit of trust and see what other information comes out. We will hold out for what was promised by the original game but let's not discourage them even more by nitpicking every little thing that is said and the myriad of ways that it can be taken. This is positive news - stand firm - be patient - stay civil )

[LethesDeep]

twitter.com/#!/notaxation/status/182512779385765888

This made me make a dummy Twitter account just to respond to it. Shame my response doesn't show up below it. (How does that work anyways?)