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[Cybermortis]

Hazelrah wrote...
Is it wrong that I'm here rating you up again?

LOL.

No, although I do have this strange urge to take a shower...

[KaiserinKai]

RatedRRachel wrote...

Ossborn76 wrote...

Don´t know if somebody already told this, but today the german game magazine Gamestar released a "special Mass Effect magazine" today... one of the topics in that magazine is:

The best ending: How you make the right decision for the finale

I lol´d

The best ending... Marauder Shields. The right decision so you don't need to actually witness the finale. 

Hear Hear! Being killed by Marauder Shields = Best ending!

[ARCTIC EAGLE]

Whats the news?

[Robhuzz]

TobiTobsen wrote...

My main problem with Dr. Muzykas answer:

Even if you build the most beautiful house on an ancient grave, it can be as beautiful as it wants, it's still standing on an ancient grave.

I can't accept an extended explanation that builds up on the current ending, because the ending is so bad, it's ridiculous.

But that's just my opinion.

It'd have to be one heck of an explanation to make the star child make sense. Considering it's so full of BS and contradicitions, no amount of explaining can fix that.

Same with the Normandy being in another solar system with your party members on board. And sure as hell am I not going to accept 'Space Magic'

Another one would be how Shepard was lying in between the rubble again after the Citadel blew up, in between rubble that was not the citadel definitely. Oh and he even survived the explosion AND re-entry into the atmosphere as well as the impact on the ground? Impressive.

Like I said, the explanation either needs to be followed up with a patch giving us the real endings (indoctrination theory:wizard:) or I need to be really... really drunk to accept another BS story.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 21 mars 2012 - 06:41 .

[Benirus]

Robhuzz wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

My main problem with Dr. Muzykas answer:

Even if you build the most beautiful house on an ancient grave, it can be as beautiful as it wants, it's still standing on an ancient grave.

I can't accept an extended explanation that builds up on the current ending, because the ending is so bad, it's ridiculous.

But that's just my opinion.

It'd have to be one heck of an explanation to make the star child make sense. Considering it's so full of BS and contradicitions, no amount of explaining can fix that.

Same with the Normandy being in another solar system with your party members on board. And sure as hell am I not going to accept 'Space Magic'

Another one would be how Shepard was lying in between the rubble again after the Citadel blew up, in between rubble that was not the citadel definitely. Oh and he even survived the explosion AND re-entry into the atmosphere as well as the impact on the ground? Impressive.

Like I said, the explanation either needs to be followed up with a patch giving us the real ending (indoctrination theory:wizard:) or I need to be really... really drunk to accept another BS story.

You forget the part where the Citadel slams into earth and kills everything.

[TamiBx]

 Wait, wht's going on? 

*I just came back from class....like literally 2min ago*

[BigglesFlysAgain]

TamiBx wrote...

 Wait, wht's going on? 

*I just came back from class....like literally 2min ago*

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/


Statement from bioware cofounder, not pleased most people though

[FinalEndeavor]

Hold the Line!!

April is coming!!

[andy310]

LethesDeep wrote...

twitter.com/#!/notaxation/status/182512779385765888

This made me make a dummy Twitter account just to respond to it. Shame my response doesn't show up below it. (How does that work anyways?)

I dont understand why Colin refuses to see anything that we are upset about understandable, he doesnt have to agree but at least have the knowledge to see the other viewpoint. 

His main arguement is that the ending should not change because it is a work of art, but saying the word art is the problem because anything can be seen as art. If he purchased a car that he could not wait to get and started to drive it but he discovered that the brakes did not work properly, should the automaker refuse to change the brakes because the car is a work of art, would his term entiltled fit anywhere in their.

Its just surprizing how closed minded a person can be to anybody elses viewpoint but their own. Its ridiculous, and for a journalist its unacceptable.

I apologize for any errors above.

[Alikan]

If someone is just idling and want to come chat with some other people

http://tinychat.com/retakemasseffect

[Computim]

TamiBx wrote...

 Wait, wht's going on? 

*I just came back from class....like literally 2min ago*

The co-founder of Bioware came out with an expectably ambiguous statement about the endings, and now everyone is, once again, displeased at them lol.

[Generic Name]

TobiTobsen wrote...

My main problem with Dr. Muzykas answer:

Even if you build the most beautiful house on an ancient grave, it can be as beautiful as it wants, it's still standing on an ancient grave.

I can't accept an extended explanation that builds up on the current ending, because the ending is so bad, it's ridiculous.

But that's just my opinion.

Maybe they'll get the picture when the DLC fails to sell, but I doubt it.

"You just do not understand the DLC and why Omega is important to Aria." (etc)

[Alikan]

Doublepost*

Modifié par Alikan, 21 mars 2012 - 06:44 .

[Needsnewending]

Dear Bioware, plz read this, Ray muzyka said something like this

"This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

The only reason this will ever happen, that fans will continue playing Mass effect and its content, is if you make aditional endings (Paragon) That in it self wil make everybody continue playing, cause as it is now, we know everything goes to hell there is NO reason replaying or continue playing, that is something you have to adress!!!

[TamiBx]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Wait, wht's going on? 

*I just came back from class....like literally 2min ago*

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/


Statement from bioware cofounder, not pleased most people though

Thank you. Reading it right now...

[Caelorummors]

Nilofeliu wrote...

Caelorummors wrote...

Whatever man. **** this ****. I can't believe it. I honestly cannot believe, with what we have given Bioware to work with (indoctrination of not only shepard but the PLAYER theirself) they refuse to actually just take it. How hard would it be to just take that and culminate everything we have done to the best ending of any video game ever.

Bioware has given us no reason to hope. Even if this were to be worked on we wouldn't get the real ending for months. I doubt I'll even care by then. They should've reacted far sooner to this outcry. It isn't worth being toyed with. Every day I talk about the endings I come to the conclusion that it cannot be anything but indoctrination and Bioware must have just been quiet so it wouldn't be ruined. This is less likely by the hour. Being civil to those not being civil with us, in that they do not engage in real discussion with the fans at all other than to say "we're listening," is a waste of time. I know you all have you hopes up. I'm sorry for you.

We won't change ME3 without drastic measure. And by the time that drastic measure is over we will have lost what we are fighting for. How long can you guys really deny that this is how the series ends? Why do you hope and trust now when Bioware has only betrayed us time and time again since joining EA? Did you not trust, hope, that Bioware would give us a good ending? This is the good ending. This is it. This is Bioware.

This relationship should be damage beyond repair. They are clearly intent on the current endings being THE endings. That alone should be so disheartening that we should all leave the series to die. We have bought a house only to find it has been rotting from the inside out. The once amazing purchase is now known to be hollow and unforgivable. It is unfortunate. This hurts me.

Staying in this relationship is a non-option. This relationship with bioware is much like being in an abusive relationship, where trust is betrayed, love is met with indifference and passionless responses, the abuser refusing to admit guilt, the abused clinging to what once was, the truth covered up by frantic explanations to justify the discourse, my personal fear that there just may not be any more good developers left, all of these things are happening to us now and more.

I hope you all realize how ironic this struggle is. We struggle against a force we do not understand, that we have no chance against, that will erase from our hearts all we loved about mass effect, that we have no choice in the end of this, that no matter what we do it will not matter, that this really only ends one way.

How long until you realize holding the line will never gain you any ground?

Nice argument and although I heartly agree with you, I am still holding the line...

I hold it for one reason. I refuse to let them win, I refuse to let them make a fool of me, I refuse to acknowledge we are powerless

It is no longer a matter of choice, it is no longer a matter of wanting a new ending.

It simply and plainly a matter of DUTY!

We are customers and we are entitled to a quality product. This is the bottom line, the one universal truth they can't hide nor run from it.

And for that reason alone, I will hold the line, and I know I won't do it alone..

WE ARE LEGION, FOR WE ARE MANY!

And as the Borgs always said "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!"

People always say do not go softly into that good night. I have seen the night and it is not good. Far better is it to not dignify that night with a response.

[Robhuzz]

Benirus wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

My main problem with Dr. Muzykas answer:

Even if you build the most beautiful house on an ancient grave, it can be as beautiful as it wants, it's still standing on an ancient grave.

I can't accept an extended explanation that builds up on the current ending, because the ending is so bad, it's ridiculous.

But that's just my opinion.

It'd have to be one heck of an explanation to make the star child make sense. Considering it's so full of BS and contradicitions, no amount of explaining can fix that.

Same with the Normandy being in another solar system with your party members on board. And sure as hell am I not going to accept 'Space Magic'

Another one would be how Shepard was lying in between the rubble again after the Citadel blew up, in between rubble that was not the citadel definitely. Oh and he even survived the explosion AND re-entry into the atmosphere as well as the impact on the ground? Impressive.

Like I said, the explanation either needs to be followed up with a patch giving us the real ending (indoctrination theory:wizard:) or I need to be really... really drunk to accept another BS story.

You forget the part where the Citadel slams into earth and kills everything.

Ah yeah true. A 40KM long space station weighing several billion tons just crashed on London. Hmm...

[FinalEndeavor]

Computim wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Wait, wht's going on? 

*I just came back from class....like literally 2min ago*

The co-founder of Bioware came out with an expectably ambiguous statement about the endings, and now everyone is, once again, displeased at them lol.

Although at least he said something will be done as content for "clarity" of the end in some shape or form. Who knows what that is though

[Teleraine]

Its been years and years I understand but i do kinda wish for the old days when people spoke plainly, its all PR this back covering that, legal jargon that. cant anyone talk layman anymore?

[spacefiddle]

I like the tone of his reply to us, but the content is largely unchanged. The time frame is narrowed to April, which is nice. But it still ends with a "trust us." We did. We trusted you a lot. That's how we got here. I trusted you enough to preorder the CE. I think you already had and lost my trust; it needs to be earned back now.

I appreciate the voluntary statement and the commitment to April. However, if there are still NO details or hard facts about what is to come, before the return window ends... I will be hard-pressed not to feel that it is in my own best interests to take advantage of that window, rather than risk being made a fool of twice.

It seems odd that we'd be asked to wait a little more with no details, then end the return window right before releasing info. Alternately, I would be open to extending the return window PAST the next announcement. That would be a concrete gesture of good faith, and less like a bait'n'switch.

I want to reiterate, though, that I believe every sentiment the Doc expresses is genuine, and they're still trying to wrap their heads around what just happened. I think with a little more time, and being able to really step back and examine the criticisms.... uh, critically... they will see what we see, and understand that it doesn't mean we think they're bad people or that they haven't crafted an otherwise amazing story.

[VyseN1]

Well, even if the statement didn't mean a new ending, it's great to see the press report it as such. Puts EA/Bioware in a tough spot.

[Neezoy]

atghunters comment to Dr. Ray's blog post, if this hasn't been linked before:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/341#10397199

Modifié par Neezoy, 21 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[ReaverT]

Friends and fellow gamers:

I know we still don't have what we want, but for god sake, relax the tone. I mean, stop saying Muzika just speaks garbage and so. THEY HAVE AKCNOWLEDGED THE PROBLEM. This is our first big victory, we should be happy WHILE WE STILL HOLD THE LINE by providing them with useful feedback, just as he and Bioware are asking us.

I must say that I understand them. Yes. Even if we hate that argument, the Mass Effect trilogy IS their work, and we must respect it. However, it's not a "one-way" work of art, just as the Penny Arcade video articles have stated. Mass Effect was built first and foremost by Bioware, and its destinataries were us, the fans. Thus, the game and its universe grew up because WE LOVED IT, and we still love it. Proof is what we have been doing so far. And yes, the ending wasn't what we expected, but we are millions, and at Bioware they are just a few hundreds. So, even if they took a step in the wrong direction, we cannot make them seem the devil itself. Because that would be denying that what we got from 2 past games and the third one (until the ending) was one of the best videogame experiences no generation will experience ever. So he's right at that point. Lets leave the rest of the fans finish the game, let them know about the ending, and let them speak their opinions just as we do.

They have STARTED to answer our demand, lets indulge their petition of keep the feedback comming in a constructive way. Therefore, if you have the game but you still haven't reviewed it, do so. And don't do it like the phew fans that say the saga is ruinned by the ending. Before that ending, Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 where AWSOME GAMES... and they still are. Maybe after the ending you don't want to play through all of them again, or you can't do it in a "good mod" way because of the ending. But as they said and I believe them, THEY ARE LISTENING. We won't get a better solution to this situation by giving the game bad reviews, heck, we could even get exactly the opposite thing that we want: a more explainned and detallied ending or even a phew new ones depending on the circunstances.

Bottomline: lets keep it civil and polyte. If they ask we answer with reasoning and the intention of being constructive, if they want a review on the game, we do it thinking in the game as a whole, not just an experience shatered by a conclussive ending that -again- they said they are going to look into it.

Thanks for reading, and remembre, keep it civil, Hold the line, for Childrens Play, for Marauder Shields, for us, for Bioware, and four our common bond: THE MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE!!!!

[Benirus]

Neezoy wrote...

atghunters comment to Dr. Ray's blog post, if this hasn't been linked before:

http://social.biowar...49/341#10397199

Oooooh! Thanks I was waiting for this.

[Alamar2078]

TSC_1 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Hey! Everyone! Could I have everyone go over to the official suggestions thread and post a comment making it clear that explaining the endings isn't good enough - we want them changed? Thanks, folks.

Self-bump. This is important, folks!

Done. 

Long winded, as usual, but my ending summary specifically said I don't want more details on the existing endings ... I want new endings that match Bioware's pre-launch statements.