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[Stygian1]

Can't they see that we don't just want closure?

I myself am an advocate of them simply adding a fourth option: telling the star child to go to hell and just watching the reapers and united galaxy fight conventionally. They can keep their crap--i mean artistic--endings and we get the choices we want. We also could get a happy ending if we had enough assets and a sad one if we didn't (and stuff inbetween).

This seems reasonable for both us and bioWare.

[Computim]

TamiBx wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

I did. Thank you 

Cheers. I just want to make sure that Bioware knows what we do and do not find acceptable.

Yeah, I don't want a little video explaining the ending or something along those lines. No matter what they say, if I can't play it, it doesn't count. 

They don't need a video.  They can do it with a single picture: 25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1257sWhgk1qzvyffo1_500.png

...or just type it out: Space Magic

[Darth Garrus]

Geda173 wrote...

I'm sad that the offical statement did not explain the biggest plot hole of the whole game: How did the space hamster survive the disassemblement and reassemblement of the Normandy? I mean, that little thing is running around in my ship...how? Space magic?

Hey, I didn't see the Boo in there. Where was he?

[Pabloskie]

Darth Suetam wrote...

I think it was a good thing to hear from Dr. Muzyka. It's a good sign, even if it doesn't make anything official.

 

I agree. Having Muzyka adressing us (though not RetakeME3 directly) basically legitimizes the movement. This is not a victory by any means but I was never expected that this issue was going to be resolved so easily.

By having a co-funder of Bioware make a statement like that (aknowledgment of a problem, discontent, disconnect, etc), all the negative coverage we have gotten from some areas of the media, basically looses all their amunition to keep attacking us, IMO anyways.

We have got their attention and we need to keep doing what we have been doing. 

Stay Civil and Hold the Line.

[Geda173]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

I'm sad that the offical statement did not explain the biggest plot hole of the whole game: How did the space hamster survive the disassemblement and reassemblement of the Normandy? I mean, that little thing is running around in my ship...how? Space magic?

Hey, I didn't see the Boo in there. Where was he?

He is down where Jack used to sit and whine about her life. Running around there. Fast little bugger, but you can catch him and put him back in your quarters.

[TSC_1]

PrinceHamlet82 wrote...

They want to wait till April for whatever reason, let them.

I imagine it's because the fiscal year ends on 31 March for EA.

[chosen_trekie]

I think we should be prepared to comprimise. I for one would be satisfied with an explanation as long it made sense. Would I prefere a new ending? Yes, but in the end I would be satisfied with a good explanation. That's my opinion, take it for what its worth.

Hold the Line.

[TamiBx]

Stygian1 wrote...

Can't they see that we don't just want closure?

I myself am an advocate of them simply adding a fourth option: telling the star child to go to hell and just watching the reapers and united galaxy fight conventionally. They can keep their crap--i mean artistic--endings and we get the choices we want. We also could get a happy ending if we had enough assets and a sad one if we didn't (and stuff inbetween).

This seems reasonable for both us and bioWare.

I agree. Plus...this isn't a Picasso painting. I don't want an abstract, hard to understand masterpiece. I just want the story to make sense and to have options, well more than 3 colors, for my Shepard's future. 

[captainbob8383]

It's really getting insulting being look down upon as an angry minority, while every polls (here, facebook, ign ...) and every user review sites (metacritic, amazon ...) prove otherwise. 
Bioware really needs real numbers. 

Since they dont seem to endorse existing polls, I've created a topic asking bioware to create an official ME3 ending poll :
http://social.biowar...index/10396307/

If you guys are interested, posting in the topic to bump it would help a lot.

Modifié par captainbob8383, 21 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[WvStolzing]

chosen_trekie wrote...

I think we should be prepared to comprimise. I for one would be satisfied with an explanation as long it made sense. Would I prefere a new ending? Yes, but in the end I would be satisfied with a good explanation. That's my opinion, take it for what its worth.

Hold the Line.

BioWare 'fixes' the ending:


Casper: ...oh, and one more thing. I heard that you were concerned about the fate of your ship and crew; so I've seen to it that they inexplicably end up getting stranded on a jungle planet, so that their fate wouldn't remain unexplained.

[TSC_1]

TamiBx wrote...

Yeah, I don't want a little video explaining the ending or something along those lines. No matter what they say, if I can't play it, it doesn't count. 

Definitely. And if I can play it, but it's still bad? Not good enough.

[Conspicuous Cake]

Now, everyone, let's remember to keep on being civil.
And to not bash anyone.

See, if the first thing we do after an official statement is rage, they will cease to take us seriously.
We don't want that!
To acheive our goal, we have to keep on being strong, polite and reasonable.

I think this statement from Dr. Ray Muzyka is a small victory, as in they are really starting to address directly to us.
Now, I know I might be one of the few that thinks that.
And I sure do understand all this anger and distrust, but for the sake of our movement, of our goal, we have to be civil.

Keep on holding the line, ok?

Modifié par Conspicuous Cake, 21 mars 2012 - 07:07 .

[Cro730]

Darth Suetam wrote...


Hey, I didn't see the Boo in there. Where was he?

engineering deck, lower floor. (where jack was in ME2)
He crawls around and you gotta catch him!

[Darth Garrus]

Geda173 wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

I'm sad that the offical statement did not explain the biggest plot hole of the whole game: How did the space hamster survive the disassemblement and reassemblement of the Normandy? I mean, that little thing is running around in my ship...how? Space magic?

Hey, I didn't see the Boo in there. Where was he?

He is down where Jack used to sit and whine about her life. Running around there. Fast little bugger, but you can catch him and put him back in your quarters.

Oh, bugger. I didn't check it closely. I hope they fix ME3. It would be nice to get Boo again. Hope Minsc forgives me again for holding him.

[DJBare]

chosen_trekie wrote...

I think we should be prepared to comprimise. I for one would be satisfied with an explanation as long it made sense. Would I prefere a new ending? Yes, but in the end I would be satisfied with a good explanation. That's my opinion, take it for what its worth.

Hold the Line.

I think I've been a person that's shown I'd go for compromise, but how can there be a compromise with the plot holes in the ending, unless they fill those plot holes no amount of explanation will work.

[milkymcmilkerson]

So, I take it that most people here wouldn't settle for a compromise, where the ME team stays true to the ending that they believe works for the series they've been developing for years while still finding a way to address the concerns of those of us who are disappointed with the ending?

Because, IMO, it's probably not going to go down any other way.

[Hazelrah]

Some appear to be concerned that the principle of "holding the line" is not having the impact desired. BioWare is a large company currently trying to make very calculated moves. One of the key advantages the movement has over them is the speed of action and reaction. Simply put what is occurring is having an impact but it needs to be viewed from the perspective of a company who are far slower to react.

Consider the following:

• As the movement began there was zero favourable publicity and no comments from BioWare.
• The movement started using social media and charitable donation as a demonstration of their social demographic. This was not about kids complaining. Polls taken indicated significant numbers in support of the movement. Gaming media was aggressive in it's attempts to attack the group.
• Forbes picks up the story and writes several independent articles which broadly support the fans. Continued good behaviour draws support of smaller gaming review sites.
• Over the days several non-commital responses appear from BioWare. The tone from twitter @masseffect becomes more consiliatory, asking for feedback. Some fans are displeased by the responses but broadly good behaviour is maintained.
• Progressively larger websites picked up on the story with coverage becoming more balanced and some of the voices of the fans being heard.
• Videos have started to appear from well known internet personalities in support of fans case.
• Finally mainsteam news sites are picking up the story giving huge attention to the cause. By maintaining the good behaviour this has allowed stories to tip in favour of the fans in many cases, giving more information about their issues and positive actions.

Ultimately we are holding the moral high ground right now. If we maintain this position we give the cause credibility. Keep doing what we are doing and it will give us the best possible chance to fulfill our goals. In terms of the internet it may already seem as though this has been going on for some time, but the truth is we have achieved more than I believed possible at the start and in a time frame which other organisations and movements would give anything to match. Things are going very well. Try to remember the big picture not the day-to-day struggle.

[Mulberry]

http://www.reddit.co..._dr_ray_muzyka/
Patrick Weekes (bioware writer) posted this on Penny Arcade and then deleted it:


"I have nothing to do with the ending beyond a) having argued successfully a long time ago that we needed a chance to say goodbye to our squad, having argued successfully that Cortez shouldn't automatically die in that shuttle crash, and c) having written Tali's goodbye bit, as well as a couple of the holo-goodbyes for people I wrote (Mordin, Kasumi, Jack, etc). 
No other writer did, either, except for our lead. This was entirely the work of our lead and Casey himself, sitting in a room and going through draft after draft. 
And honestly, it kind of shows. 
Every other mission in the game had to be held up to the rest of the writing team, and the writing team then picked it apart and made suggestions and pointed out the parts that made no sense. This mission? Casey and our lead deciding that they didn't need to be peer-reviewe.d 
And again, it shows. 
If you'd asked me the themes of Mass Effect 3, I'd break them down as: Galactic Alliances Friends Organics versus Synthetics 
In my personal opinion, the first two got a perfunctory nod. We did get a goodbye to our friends, but it was in a scene that was divorced from the gameplay -- a deliberate "nothing happens here" area with one turret thrown in for no reason I really understand, except possibly to obfuscate the "nothing happens here"-ness. The best missions in our game are the ones in which the gameplay and the narrative reinforce each other. The end of the Genophage campaign exemplifies that for me -- every line of dialog is showing you both sides of the krogan, be they horrible brutes or proud warriors; the art shows both their bombed-out wasteland and the beautiful world they once had and could have again; the combat shows the terror of the Reapers as well as a blatant reminder of the rachni, which threatened the galaxy and had to be stopped by the krogan last time. Every line of code in that mission is on target with the overall message. 
The endgame doesn't have that. I wanted to see banshees attacking you, and then have asari gunships zoom in and blow them away. I wanted to see a wave of rachni ravagers come around a corner only to be met by a wall of krogan roaring a battle cry. Here's the horror the Reapers inflicted upon each race, and here's the army that you, Commander Shepard, made out of every race in the galaxy to fight them. 
I personally thought that the Illusive Man conversation was about twice as long as it needed to be -- something that I've been told in my peer reviews of my missions and made edits on, but again, this is a conversation no writer but the lead ever saw until it was already recorded. I did love Anderson's goodbye. 
For me, Anderson's goodbye is where it ended. The stuff with the Catalyst just... You have to understand. Casey is really smart and really analytical. And the problem is that when he's not checked, he will assume that other people are like him, and will really appreciate an almost completely unemotional intellectual ending. I didn't hate it, but I didn't love it. 
And then, just to be a dick... what was SUPPOSED to happen was that, say you picked "Destroy the Reapers". When you did that, the system was SUPPOSED to look at your score, and then you'd show a cutscene of Earth that was either: 
a) Very high score: Earth obviously damaged, but woo victory  Medium score: Earth takes a bunch of damage from the Crucible activation. Like dropping a bomb on an already war-ravaged city. Uh, well, maybe not LIKE that as much as, uh, THAT. c) Low score: Earth is a cinderblock, all life on it completely wiped out 
I have NO IDEA why these different cutscenes aren't in there. As far as I know, they were never cut. Maybe they were cut for budget reasons at the last minute. I don't know. But holy crap, yeah, I can see how incredibly disappointing it'd be to hear of all the different ending possibilities and have it break down to "which color is stuff glowing?" Or maybe they ARE in, but they're too subtle to really see obvious differences, and again, that's... yeah. 
Okay, that's a lot to have written for something that's gonna go away in an hour. 
I still teared up at the ending myself, but really, I was tearing up for the quick flashbacks to old friends and the death of Anderson. I wasn't tearing up over making a choice that, as it turned out, didn't have enough cutscene differentiation on it. 
And to be clear, I don't even really wish Shepard had gotten a ride-off-into-sunset ending. I was honestly okay with Shepard sacrificing himself. I just expected it to be for something with more obvious differentiation, and a stronger tie to the core themes -- all three of them."

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[milkymcmilkerson]

DJBare wrote...

chosen_trekie wrote...

I think we should be prepared to comprimise. I for one would be satisfied with an explanation as long it made sense. Would I prefere a new ending? Yes, but in the end I would be satisfied with a good explanation. That's my opinion, take it for what its worth.

Hold the Line.

I think I've been a person that's shown I'd go for compromise, but how can there be a compromise with the plot holes in the ending, unless they fill those plot holes no amount of explanation will work.

lol...didn't see this post before I made mine. I'm glad to see that there are some level-headed people in the movement.

[Doomed Avatar]

About two weeks have passed since I finish the game and I'm still frustrated, ¿am I mad?. In more than 20 years of videogamer, I have never saw something like this. This story can be called "how to destroy an entire saga in 10 minutes", because that's what they've done. I can't say anything more than other people that have been posting, in this and other forums of many countries, his disconformity with an ending that is a total let down, a clear failure and a betrayal to all BioWare's fanbase.  

Maybe, the things wouldn't have been this way, If they hadn't made a lot of declarations (with a plenty of promises) before the retail of the game. And that's the danger of feeding the hype of a big community of fans. The facts are there, they lied to us, and now, they've changed the purpose of their declarations, in order to defend the undefensible.

Two weeks and still, I can't understand why they've chosen this sort of ending. BioWare's crew have always been proud of collaborating with their fanbase in order to make this games, but, with ME3, they have shown that they don´t know their fans at all. We don't play Mass Effect games because we were seeking for a masterpiece of modern philosophy, we play Mass Effect because we can choose everything that happens in that universe, in any way or another. The efforts of creating a hero model like Shepard were turned into dust because of this awful ending. And that's why we are upset.

In Mass Effect, Sovereign said to us that the existence of the Reapers is "beyond human comprehension". The writter have had a big problem with that sentence, because he is, indeed, human. How can you explain something that is beyond your comprehension?. the answer is easy, you can't. We don't need an explanation of the purpose of the Reapers, they kill the organic life in the galaxy every 50K years, they do that in order to complete a cycle, ok, i'm fine with that and I don't need to know anything more. But, "kill organic life to prevent organics of being killed by syntetics" it's not an explanation that is "beyond our comprehension", it's just a pompous and nonsensical explanation in every way you look at it. And then, only three options to choose... too bad.

Maybe i'm just a simpleminded guy but I'd rather survive the cycle of extinction with a James Cameron-type space battle instead of being confused by a strange-god-boy-or-AI with cheap philosophy. I think that an epical space battle, with lots of shots, heros, sacrifices, explosions, inspiring moments, etc, fits better with the entire trilogy . That's my opinion. 

The Mass Effect 2 ending was almost perfect, I mean, if you did it well, you got a triumphant ending, but if you did it bad, you got a bad, bad ending. But you could do it better next time!!. In this game, whatever you choose, you can't do it better or change the ending, not this time, they are always the same. The feeling you have at the end of the game is frustration, and that'ss the worst feeling you can have with a game.

Keep faith.
Hold the line.

Sorry for my english. I don't have vocabulary enought to express all of my worries, but i've tried my best. 

BTW, stupid question, how can i put a photo in my signature?
 

Modifié par Doomed Avatar, 21 mars 2012 - 07:15 .

[IxSITHxI]

If they do give us a new ending i'll bet it goes something like this...

"Shepard walks into the sythesis beam and it begins raising him up. He comes up to another platform with god child number 2 who tells him that he shouldnt believe anything god child one said. He then gives you three more endings. only these ones are YELLOW, ORANGE, and PURPLE *GASP*. They then play the same cinematic at the end only this time Tali shows us her face and EDI is wearing a sorceress hat and yells space magic!  while pumping her fist into the air. fade to black"

Continue to hold the line till they tell us that 100% confirmed they are working on new endings no matter what. Even after that hold the line until we actually get to download it.

[RussianOrc]

TamiBx wrote...

 Wait...is it just me or does this sound like they're just going to release some little video explaining the ending or something...?  

That's what i fear the most.

[Green man5490]

Generic Name wrote...

Green man5490 wrote...

I'm just amazed at the amount of hate we're getting from other gamers ranging from calling us whiney entitled babies, pathetic geeks, and other things that don't need to be repeated it just seems uncalled for

Not to sound rude, but have you ever played an online FPS game? Your skin thickens quickly.

I actually had a vivid dream about Liara last night. It made no sense and I'm fairly certain her Shadow Broker predecessor was involved.

On occasion, but at least at that time there's a form of competition going on not a statement from bioware saying hey we are listening and might do something different with the ending just amazing how rude people are willing to be when you can't see them 

[Alamar2078]

TSC_1 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Wait, wht's going on? 

*I just came back from class....like literally 2min ago*

Also, after you read the statement, go ahead and vote in this poll.

Voted.  I hope this info gets in the right hands so BW doesn't have the excuse of "not knowing what we want" ...