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[BuddhaGeek]

 I apologize if this has been posted already, but whoever did this interview did a good job answering the questions. Well done, mate:

http://puresophistry...your-questions/ 

[mulder1199]

Mara Shep wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

Mara Shep wrote...

Has no one seen this? 

"Building on their research, Exec Producer
Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content
initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity
for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on
this in April.  We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between
the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan
feedback we’ve received.  This is in addition to our existing plan to
continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest
assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will,
continue."

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

Sorry, just found the thread:

http://social.biowar.../index/10385152

yeah, most have, and most don't want the bad endings explained away.....another ending and close up the plot holes with some gameplay!

No no nooo, sorry, I totally get that and too want that.  I was really down today, and just the fact that someone responded gave me a glimmer of hope.  I am hoping that this is the statement that gets the ball rolling, is a glimmer of hope that now they understand...I am rush typing.  I am just happy we are making enough waves to get noticed, and from here we can push harder to get what Shepard REALLY deserves.

I too want a proper ending without plot holes, but this has really boosted my sprirts that we got a response, even if it is PR crap.  Sometimes you just need something, you know?

oh, me too, sent you a pm to explain, we agree, me too, glad we're getting noticed, want to make sure that they also see WE WANT MORE CHOICE, BW!

[Aedera]

Jason76 wrote...

Hendrik.III wrote...

snip

Dear BioWare, we are Commander Shepard. We deserve to choose our own destiny.

^this whole posting, so much THIS!

Exactly why I care about this game, characters etc. Couldn't have said it better. You managed to write exactly what I've been thinking and feeling all this time. 

Careful.  That actually helps their "use your imagination" concept.  

[stucksuburbanite]

Just something I've noted going through the facebook posts on Mass Effect's page is that the people who liked the ending a) keep referring to us as the minority and if the ending is changed it will ruin the entire game for them. I want to ask them why they think these things but so far, all my innocent questions with other fans who enjoyed the ending immediately turn into fights. I get a) but really bugs me. I may be biased in this but it's my personal belief that having logged easily of 300 hours into this franchise, that the ending of ME3 by no means did the franchise justice. I'd like to make the broad sweeping statement that those who enjoyed the ending are new to the franchise and therefore don't look too deeply into the ending but I know that to be false in many circumstances.

I'll keep holding the line no matter what but hope indeed wavers - particularly in the face of Ray's letter. It could mean something, but from what I gathered, all that's been promised so far is an explanation.

[Mateusz_w]

Needsnewending wrote...

The plot:

The Reapers use Shepard as a tool to bring the entire organic resistance to the Reapers for the harvest... brilliant plan Reapers!!! create a hero who is the "expert" on killing them, have EVERYONE follow him blindly with a "weapon" no one knows how to use or what it even does, the Reapers win.. THE END!

Ah ! So Shepard's only purpose was to bring all possible forces to Earth so that they can be destroyed with a single Reaper blow! So they wouldn't have to waste another 100 years of pointless slaughter !How genious would that be ;d

[WvStolzing]

BuddhaGeek wrote...
 I apologize if this has been posted already, but whoever did this interview did a good job answering the questions. Well done, mate:
http://puresophistry...your-questions/ 

Oh, yes; this is excellent....

[Luiginius]

I'm willing to believe that it's all, 100%, Hudson. The last part feels so disconnected from the rest of the game. Shame that what could have been a great game, one for the history books got killed by artistic lead not being able to take criticism.
Egos & powerplays, will be interesting to see what happens to the next project with mr hudson at the steering wheel.

Modifié par Luiginius, 21 mars 2012 - 08:19 .

[Computim]

BuddhaGeek wrote...

 I apologize if this has been posted already, but whoever did this interview did a good job answering the questions. Well done, mate:

http://puresophistry...your-questions/ 

I love the poll at the end.  AHEM. HOLD. THE. LINE.

[jonal11]

Voguul wrote...

A new member of the Finnish fleet here.

Just finished the game about an hour ago. I knew about the RGB ending(s) even before I started my playthrough and I thought I was prepared for not being satisfied at the end of the game... but I was STILL infuriated and disappointed as I watched the scene with the godchild and everything.

And then the entire trilogy ends with the words "downloadable content"...

I appreciate everyone who has been active in this campaign for a better ending. I'm usually very shy online and not too good at defending my POV, but I'll keep voting on polls and giving my support however I can.

Welcome to the line! We will hold!

[ziyon conqueror]

I will continue to hold the line. But I can't wait till April

[FinalEndeavor]

taking some time off!! hold the line people!!!

[The Big Palooka]

Just a reminder to everyone that today's announcement doesn't really change anything. Our goals are the same today as they were yesterday. This isn't anything that should make us give up, or make us rest on our laurels either.

Think before you type. Stay polite, but firm. Hold the Line.

[mulder1199]

Luiginius wrote...

I'm willing to believe that it's all, 100%, Hudson. The last part feels so disconnected from the rest of the game. Shame that what could have been a great game, one for the history books got killed by artistic lead not being able to take criticism.
Egos & powerplays, will be interesting to see what happens to the project with mr hudson at the steering wheel.

if the weekes post is legit, and hudson is so smart, he should have been smart enough to see that even if there was 2 more endings (one that's sunshine and bunnies and one that supports indoc or whatever, this one that you fight a bit more and more choices you made are shown) this would have solved the issues.....basically... 

edit: AND PEOPLE WOULD STILL BE GOING ON AND ON ABOUT HOW THIS SUM**** ENDED!

Modifié par mulder1199, 21 mars 2012 - 08:22 .

[Alikan]

From now until the end of time making an abrupt ending (preferebly also really bad and cliche in itself) totally disjointed from the journey might be referred to as "Pulling a Mass Effect"

[Xyalon]

In light of Dr Muzyka's comment, I have this to say and take pains to ensure that I do not step anywhere into the realms of offense.

I find it difficult to take seriously a comment from someone who can label a large number of people as "some". I quote: "On one hand, some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it." That is all well and good, however when a group of like minded individuals amass numbers in excess of 40000, and can raise 75k USD for charity in a matter of days, these people can no longer be branded as "some".

Sir, your loyal fans are those who care enough to tell you what they feel about your games. I doubt you have more than 75k loyal fans across the world, however these are the fans who would be willing to stick up for you, the company they believe in, and the games that you produce. They are the ones who forgive the little errors in continuity, the little bugs in combat, the little graphical glitches, and see the depth of the game as a whole and what it is. The people who buy your games are not all loyal fans, they are people who don't care either way. I myself like to drink Twinings Tea, but if they changed their blend of English Breakfast to something that I found distasteful I would not write in to complain, merely switch to a different brand. This is because I am merely a customer, not a loyal fan.

You have told us that "However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional" and I feel that this is somewhat skewing the perspective. Yes, I would agree that most people think that the game as a whole is exceptional, I believe, in fact, that all three of the series have been truly exceptional games which have broken more than one boundary in their time. The fact is that a majority of the people who have told you that the game is exceptional also includes the people who are telling you that the ending is awful. You cannot take the 50k who say that the game is good and the ending is bad, add it to the 15k who tell you that the game is good and the ending is wonderful, and then say that you have 65k in favour of the game and declare a majority over the 50k who just don't like the ending.

You went on to say "with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s." Since when have critics been worth more than your average user? Especially since a majority of which are under the yoke of knowledge that if they don't give favourable reviews they will receive less popularity, leading to fewer page views, and eventually a loss of sponsorship and advertising income and so be out of a job. Being a critic is comparatively meaningless, it means that you most likely won't pay to play the game yourself, and you may not even complete the game before the review is due. If 75 critics told you that the sky is green and 50000 people told you that it is red, the best thing to do is find out for yourself, but if you can't then going with the majority if you want public opinion is the best bet. The fact that critics are popular means nothing in an age where internet popularity can be made in a day. Marauder Shields attained notoriety greater than many of these critics in a matter of days, but would you listen to his apparent opinion over the voices of thousands of others?

I urge you to look at the facts and figures from Metacritic before going any further with this statement. At the time of writing, there have been 98 reviews by critics which have given the game an overal score of 92.4%. In fact, this score is not something I necessarily disagree with. To a certain extent I do not believe that a game that have given us amazingly emotional moments and joyful fulfilment should be overshadowed by a poor ending. A game that gave us such great memories as the proud and noble sacrifice of Mordin Solus, lead to by actions in order to reconcile his emotional turmoil that has accompanied him since we me truly exceptional. However, if we look at the fact that out of 5048 user reviews, independent and unpaid reviews, the game only is deemed worth 4.2/10. This is the average from players who felt that the emotional moments such as these were reduced to nothing by the ending, who felt that all their efforts and time spent in this game was for naught.

However I somewhat disagree as assigning somewhat arbitrary numbers and scores to games, especially a game that has pushed boundaries along the course of its development and is scattered through with moments of inspired genius. One cannot look at the beautiful yet tragic offering up of newly attained consciousness by Legion so that its people might finally attain true sapience and give it a digit. Words are required to describe how such a choice affected you, or if you chose other paths allowing for callous execution of these people in order for the galaxy to survive, again a game that provides us with instances like this worth more than just a percentage. However we look at the 98 reviews submitted by official critics and see that all 98 are positive. All of them. Most people who are able to see past their own pride would already be harbouring strongly suspicious thoughts about unilateral results such as these, and I strongly that the term sycophantic might be at the forefront of their minds. When we look at the 2647 user submitted reviews we see only 1001 positive reviews; less than half. We have 202 mixed reviews which I feel may be those which you should truly seek out as they will tell you where you excelled and where you failed, and then we have 1444 negative reviews. These people who are not able to see past the last few minutes of the game, who feel that their entire experience has been ruined because of it. And you cannot ignore these people; you must not.

If you can provide concrete numbers to back up your claims, then I and I'm sure many others will step down. We won't be happy, we won't feel different, but if we can be truly be shown to be in a minority then at least we will be able to understand why you are hesitant to do anything about it. Should you wish to focus on those who seek to assault you with inflammatory and derogatory remarks and label them as part of your "loyal fans" then, like it or not, you are already dismissing us out of hand. Deny it as you may, by bringing to light the effects of those few, you are effectively casting aside those fans of you who are approaching you with civil and cogent debate, who have raised over 75,000 US Dollars for a charity, which both promotes the gaming industry as a whole and spreads the joy of videogames to children in need, to punctuate their belief in you. You are throwing away the opinons of those who support you the most, whose views are driven by love and support and faith and appreciation, and most of whom are respectfully requesting that you give Shepard and the Normandy at least the choice having an ending that we have worked so hard to grant them.

However, if you are willing to take the silence of 1.53 million players who don't care enough about the game to voice an opinion, and take that as a positive, rather than listen to the 75k who have taken the time to vote and type in forums, to email and write to you, to donate to charity and overall expend the energy to inform you that they disliked or liked, and I am aware there are both, how you have ended this series, then I ask for you to tell us. Give us the respect at least to inform us that our opinons no longer matter to you and show us the door so that we may leave and mourn the passing of a company that was one of the greatest game developers to date, and grieve for a gaming series that touched our hearts, our souls and our minds. 

You said "I’m proud of the team, but we can and must always strive to do better." Well, I would be proud to work for BioWare. I too would be proud to have my name associated with a series such as Mass Effect. And you have an excellent opportunity to strive to do better. The ball is firmly in your court.


This is but one voice in a sea of many. I speak for my companions, but not with their words. Each of us has our own voice, our own feelings which we wish to express to you. These words are mine, but may be reflected in the myriad of different entreaties that have been sent in your direction to give reinforcing as well as redirecting feedback. If they fall on deaf ears then where else shall we turn to? When a Game Developer with a history of brilliance such as your own turns its back on its fans as well as its creations, what lies in future for the Gaming industry? What hope is there for Shepard? What hope is there for us?

[Mythandariel]

BuddhaGeek wrote...

 I apologize if this has been posted already, but whoever did this interview did a good job answering the questions. Well done, mate:

http://puresophistry...your-questions/ 

The poll at the bottom speaks volumes.

[TamiBx]

Alikan wrote...

From now until the end of time making an abrupt ending (preferebly also really bad and cliche in itself) totally disjointed from the journey might be referred to as "Pulling a Mass Effect"

Don't forget cra- I meant, artistic endings...

[Computim]

TamiBx wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

Yes. Like I said before. Go to your basement, and write your "artsy" game, and struggle to make a living. Perfectly fine. But don't release a multi-million dollar shooter project from a multi-billion dollar company, trying to make a gazillion dollars, and say it's art, and that's untouchable.

And people with absolutely no knowledge of art are talking about it. What it's funny is that most artists produced on demand. They were payed to produce something, and were always changing things according to the paying customer's wishes. You can name the painter, sculptor, whatever. That was usually the case. They can now hang on the wall of big galleries, but they were payed and changed according to the buyer.

I agree. And honestly, most of the artists were never famous while they were alive...now you wonder why....

Yeah shot themselves in the foot when they were fine rewriting another author's novel in their universe *cough*

[KHReborn]

BuddhaGeek wrote...

 I apologize if this has been posted already, but whoever did this interview did a good job answering the questions. Well done, mate:

http://puresophistry...your-questions/ 

Thanks for sharing! I enjoyed reading it.

[Iucounou]

Well, I contacted Amazon and got a returns authorisation from. My copy of ME3 will soon be going back to them. I felt bad for Amazon about doing this, but I need some closure on this matter. I mentioned no less than three times that I had opened and played the game, and gave them my reasons for wanting to return it.

They were not at all phased by any of it. In fact, the response led me to believe I was far from the first person to contact them about it.

Interestingly, when I went to the page to print out the returns label etc., Amazon had marked the reason for my return as "defective". I think that sums up how we all feel about what could have been a great game, had not Bioware's hubris gotten in the way.

As I say, I feel bad for Amazon, but no doubt they have insurance for these sorts of things. I, however, do not have any other form of redress for my financial commitment other than returning the product.

I'd have preferred it if Bioware had made some kind of non-PR statement about this whole mess. Something, anything, other than the silence and PR bull that we have been fed so far. I'd have liked to keep the game, to see it fixed. To enjoy it as we all wanted to. But I fear Bioware will not make that commitment.

And if they do? Well, then, I have the option of buying the game again another day, hopefully all fixed up. I'm not going to hold my breath, though, and I suggest the rest of you think long and hard about it all.

I shall continue to monitor the forum and post from time to time, but I feel Bioware are just mocking us with their silence. Waiting for all the anger to die down.

It may be that they do not end up "out of pocket" on this. Retailers have already bought the game in vast quantities. But their future releases will suffer as a result.

As I say, if they fix it, I'll re-purchase it.

But right now, I want to forget that ME3 ever existed and get on with my life.

For those of you still holding the line, keep the faith.

Keep fighting.

[Temtimtom]

I think we might try to start up a simple site, but each of us sings it with their username on BSN and (optional) real name. Sort of a memorial wall like you find on the crew deck on the Normandy.

If this idea gets an okay, it's imperative that each and everyone of us signs it and does not double-sign under another alias.

Or we could do something simple, like you see at the bottom of this page (where the BioWare moderators are listed), just a long-running list of all the nicknames who formally endorse the Retake movement.

[Victia]

unclee wrote...

If the Weekes post is true, then it would explain why the ending feels so divorced from the rest of the game.

Going to take it with a huuuuuuge grain of salt, but if true, would explain a lot about why the ending feels how it does.

I have been away for a couple of hours, so can you please link or tell me what Weekes said (or i reported to have said)? Thank you

[-PG-Skyre]

Alikan wrote...

From now until the end of time making an abrupt ending (preferebly also really bad and cliche in itself) totally disjointed from the journey might be referred to as "Pulling a Mass Effect"

Or "Pulling a Bioware".
Either works, really.

[MysticBinary82]

2125 CE

The yahg, an intelligent pre-spaceflight race, are discovered on the planet Parnack.
Ambassadors representing the Citadel Council arrive on the planet and attempt to open diplomatic contact.
After the ambassadors are killed by the predatory yahg, the Council ceases all contact with the yahg and declares Parnack off-limits.
Not long after the yahg are discovered, one yahg is captured for the Shadow Broker to study.
With the Broker's assistance, the yahg rapidly ascends within the Broker's organization as "Operative Kechlu".
Eventually, the Broker becomes wary of "Operative Kechlu" and attempts to have him terminated, but the order is sent too late.
The yahg assumes the mantle of the Shadow Broker and directs the organization for the next sixty years.

[Computim]

Iucounou wrote...

Well, I contacted Amazon and got a returns authorisation from. My copy of ME3 will soon be going back to them. I felt bad for Amazon about doing this, but I need some closure on this matter. I mentioned no less than three times that I had opened and played the game, and gave them my reasons for wanting to return it.

They were not at all phased by any of it. In fact, the response led me to believe I was far from the first person to contact them about it.

Interestingly, when I went to the page to print out the returns label etc., Amazon had marked the reason for my return as "defective". I think that sums up how we all feel about what could have been a great game, had not Bioware's hubris gotten in the way.

As I say, I feel bad for Amazon, but no doubt they have insurance for these sorts of things. I, however, do not have any other form of redress for my financial commitment other than returning the product.

I'd have preferred it if Bioware had made some kind of non-PR statement about this whole mess. Something, anything, other than the silence and PR bull that we have been fed so far. I'd have liked to keep the game, to see it fixed. To enjoy it as we all wanted to. But I fear Bioware will not make that commitment.

And if they do? Well, then, I have the option of buying the game again another day, hopefully all fixed up. I'm not going to hold my breath, though, and I suggest the rest of you think long and hard about it all.

I shall continue to monitor the forum and post from time to time, but I feel Bioware are just mocking us with their silence. Waiting for all the anger to die down.

It may be that they do not end up "out of pocket" on this. Retailers have already bought the game in vast quantities. But their future releases will suffer as a result.

As I say, if they fix it, I'll re-purchase it.

But right now, I want to forget that ME3 ever existed and get on with my life.

For those of you still holding the line, keep the faith.

Keep fighting.

I'm pretty sure EA's writing off a lot of the costs.. it's why the price on Amazon's gone back up $10 this week.  They don't have the risk of holding that much stock anymore.