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[Elanor]

Snake91 wrote...

Please people don't kill me about the endings i agree with you that ME3 have to have many endings for everyone to choose the ending they want but this have to be the end of Shepard's story i think Bioware had done awesome work with the ending why cos in the end Shepard give his life to save the lifes of others for me this is wonderful ending and wonderful ending of Shepard'story to die like a hero :crying:

IMO Sheard could die but it should have sense. And this should be just the one of solutions.
What beatiful is in lack of choice? 

And I want to add that now we have to hold the line more than ever. We haven't won yet.
We can rest when it's over.

Modifié par Elanor1, 21 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[DJBare]

Snake91 wrote...

Please people don't kill me about the endings i agree with you that ME3 have to have many endings for everyone to choose the ending they want but this have to be the end of Shepard's story i think Bioware had done awesome work with the ending why cos in the end Shepard give his life to save the lifes of others for me this is wonderful ending and wonderful ending of Shepard'story to die like a hero :crying:

You are of course entitled to your opinion, my opinion is that my Shepard went out with a whimper in all 3(one) endings.

[TamiBx]

Snake91 wrote...

Please people don't kill me about the endings i agree with you that ME3 have to have many endings for everyone to choose the ending they want but this have to be the end of Shepard's story i think Bioware had done awesome work with the ending why cos in the end Shepard give his life to save the lifes of others for me this is wonderful ending and wonderful ending of Shepard'story to die like a hero :crying:

I don't understand why people think heroes need to die. They do not. War veterans are heroes too, and there are many of them alive. 
ME3 (imo) was all about hope, fighting for survival, and unity... not self sacrifice...<_<

[Cybermortis]

Risselda wrote...

Those are some scary statistics Cyber, considering this was "the most anticipated game of the year"

Quite.

It doesn't help EA/BW's position that concerns over the SWMMO underperforming back in Febuary caused EA's share price to drop - a drop that as far as I know hasn't been reversed as of writing.

If ME3 doesn't sell well, and it really, REALLY isn't after first week sales, expect to see EA share price take another dive as investors start to question if BW is capable of producing games anyone is going to buy in future.

I fully expect someone from EA to start shouting at BW to clean up their mess what ever the cost at some point...if indeed such a conversation hasn't already been heard echoing throughout the entire BW building.

[KaiserinKai]

bellabri287 wrote...

OK so removing endings is basically impossible. Leave end endings then, just add a few to it! This talk of no new endings makes me sad. I don't think it's unreasonable to pick up after people who chose the Destroy option and add to it, or give us a couple whole endings from the beam run.

*sigh*

Heck just give us the option to say, "Screw You God Kid AI", in either Paragon or Renagade style and let things play out based on your desisions and war assets. From that ending don't have Joker flying away randomly, remove the teleporting teammates, and don't have the Mass Relays blow up if your scores are high enough. Then give us an epilogue.

This way, the people who like the endings can have their endings, and we can have one that makes sense and that is affected by our decisions, it's as simple as that.

[Mr Chr15topher]

Spartas Husky wrote...

bellabri287 wrote...

OK so removing endings is basically impossible. Leave end endings then, just add a few to it! This talk of no new endings makes me sad. I don't think it's unreasonable to pick up after people who chose the Destroy option and add to it, or give us a couple whole endings from the beam run.

*sigh*

Is not impossible. But is a huge undertaking like I've mentioned before.

There are two pieces that THEY HAVE to add, and two opportunities to do so.

When you go up the beam and when you wake up is an opportunity. A fight through the citadel, linking up with people inside, fighting to get to the "storage" area where all the dead are being taken by the reapers.

The other part they can fix, is actually after the weirdo child. Literally use that and make him be hardbinger messing up with your mind while your unconcious, indoctrination theory or w/e.

It can be done... but again is a huge undertaking.

It is a huge undertaking, but with something this big, a quick fix just wouldn't do it. That's the kind of thing that started this campaign off. Even if they make an ending DLC and it still isn't brilliant, I wouldn't actually mind because they at least put effort into trying to do what we asked. They will have learned their lesson and hopefully there next games will be better for it.

[Yuoaman]

Snake91 wrote...

Please people don't kill me about the endings i agree with you that ME3 have to have many endings for everyone to choose the ending they want but this have to be the end of Shepard's story i think Bioware had done awesome work with the ending why cos in the end Shepard give his life to save the lifes of others for me this is wonderful ending and wonderful ending of Shepard'story to die like a hero :crying:

Most of us have the problem that the war assets we gathered play no part in the climax, and the fact that all of the "choices" offered don't change the end result much and we have no choice to disagree with the Star Child.

[Luiginius]

@ KaiserinKai
That's a fair point, even the illusion of choice at that point would have probably made a difference to player's mindset.

[KaiserinKai]

Silasqtx wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

Shameless self-bump http://social.biowar...06/polls/30233/

SPREAD IT AROUND

I'm just getting the old poll...

[weatabix]

I really hope that these changes equate to more than explanations. I don't understand why Bioware refuses to run with the indoctrination theory. Even if it wasn't planned people wouldnt care as long as it was done well. I can only hope! News coming more often now though

Hold the Line!

[Mortensus]

Xyalon wrote...


In light of Dr Muzyka's comment, I have this to say and take pains to ensure that I do not step anywhere into the realms of offense.

...

Wow very nice text, i agree 100% with that

[Elanor]

Yuoaman wrote...

Snake91 wrote...

Please people don't kill me about the endings i agree with you that ME3 have to have many endings for everyone to choose the ending they want but this have to be the end of Shepard's story i think Bioware had done awesome work with the ending why cos in the end Shepard give his life to save the lifes of others for me this is wonderful ending and wonderful ending of Shepard'story to die like a hero :crying:

Most of us have the problem that the war assets we gathered play no part in the climax, and the fact that all of the "choices" offered don't change the end result much and we have no choice to disagree with the Star Child.

This and "we'll kill you to save you from being kill by machines" - Good God who make up this ?

[Mythandariel]

KaiserinKai wrote...

bellabri287 wrote...

OK so removing endings is basically impossible. Leave end endings then, just add a few to it! This talk of no new endings makes me sad. I don't think it's unreasonable to pick up after people who chose the Destroy option and add to it, or give us a couple whole endings from the beam run.

*sigh*

Heck just give us the option to say, "Screw You God Kid AI", in either Paragon or Renagade style and let things play out based on your desisions and war assets. From that ending don't have Joker flying away randomly, remove the teleporting teammates, and don't have the Mass Relays blow up if your scores are high enough. Then give us an epilogue.

This way, the people who like the endings can have their endings, and we can have one that makes sense and that is affected by our decisions, it's as simple as that.

Perhaps have a couple of Reapers break off from combat, when it looks like they might actually lose and try to destroy the Sol Relay to keep everyone in system. Sort of a spiteful move but they're Reapers.

Then have Joker racing against time with a few other ships (How many is dependant on EMS and War Assets) to try to stop them.

Worst case, the two Reapers destroy the Relay then the Normandy. A little better, the Normany destroys one Reaper but the other disables the Relay or renders it unusable for a long time. A little better than that, the Normandy and other ships destroy the two Reapers but not before they disable the Relay so that it has to be repaired and reopened. Best case, the Normandy and other ships beat the ever-loving snot out of the two Reapers and the Sol Relay is left untouched.

If they must keep the bit in about the Relay's destruction, then make it mean something.

[Spartas Husky]

DJBare wrote...

Snake91 wrote...

Please people don't kill me about the endings i agree with you that ME3 have to have many endings for everyone to choose the ending they want but this have to be the end of Shepard's story i think Bioware had done awesome work with the ending why cos in the end Shepard give his life to save the lifes of others for me this is wonderful ending and wonderful ending of Shepard'story to die like a hero :crying:

You are of course entitled to your opinion, my opinion is that my Shepard went out with a whimper in all 3(one) endings.

Like my cousin said. "if you were not a Gears of War fan, Dominic's Death didn't matter to you"... same applies here.

Only those with emotional investment actually observe the slightest details of a game, that most people who might just pick it up casually would not even notice.

Same applies to everygame. I wasn't a COD fan, yet my friend was teary when Soap died. I was ... "m3h" because I just wasn't a real fan of the series, and I admit that. COD for me s just a casual game to pass the time.
A hero is no good to anyone if your dead, regardless the Mass Effect series is based on 2 points:
-The abiility for a single man or woman to lead people and unite them regardless of background and ideology. Accepting their differences while helping each other.
The idea was always "unity without uniformity". Sr-1 was perfect example, and suicide mission. You gather people from different places, and while nobody believes you can win or even succeed partially, you do. Even your own team members have reservetations of others that aren't their species.

-The 2nd main theme is choice and consequence, you always have a choice, you always have a consequence based on your choice. While the overall story guides you a certain way, your decision ultimately leads to a conclusion, of "accomplished". however how you reach that goal is in different ways, through ruthless action or compassionate ambition.

Did you thought of any of the aforementioned while playing the game?

[Nharia1]

TamiBx wrote...

 I really don't mind if we don't have a boss fight...but that's just me. I did find it wierd that we didn't have one, but I'm more into the story than the action itself, so...probably indifferent. 

The closest thing we have to a boss fight at the end of the game is, either the Reaper Destroyer, or Maurader Shields and the Three Husketeers... sadly, I was kinda hoping for a boss fight between Shep and TIM.... Would've been super cool!

[KaiserinKai]

Elanor1 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Snake91 wrote...

Please people don't kill me about the endings i agree with you that ME3 have to have many endings for everyone to choose the ending they want but this have to be the end of Shepard's story i think Bioware had done awesome work with the ending why cos in the end Shepard give his life to save the lifes of others for me this is wonderful ending and wonderful ending of Shepard'story to die like a hero :crying:

Most of us have the problem that the war assets we gathered play no part in the climax, and the fact that all of the "choices" offered don't change the end result much and we have no choice to disagree with the Star Child.

This and "we'll kill you to save you from being kill by machines" - Good God who make up this ?

I was just waiting for the chance to go Paragon or Renagade on his ass... I'm not picky...

[MartinPenwald]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Heck just give us the option to say, "Screw You God Kid AI", in either Paragon or Renagade style and let things play out based on your desisions and war assets. From that ending don't have Joker flying away randomly, remove the teleporting teammates, and don't have the Mass Relays blow up if your scores are high enough. Then give us an epilogue.

This way, the people who like the endings can have their endings, and we can have one that makes sense and that is affected by our decisions, it's as simple as that.

Amen.

Choice is what this is all about. We were promised that our choices would matter, and that's what we wanna see in the game.

Want Shepard to die a hero? Choose to do so.

Want to listen to space child's ramblings and watch some disjointed scenes that don't make sense? Choose to do so.

Want Shepard to survive and reunite with the LI? Choose to do so.

[Elanor]

weatabix wrote...

I really hope that these changes equate to more than explanations. I don't understand why Bioware refuses to run with the indoctrination theory. Even if it wasn't planned people wouldnt care as long as it was done well. I can only hope! News coming more often now though

Hold the Line!

Yes, I love indoctrination theory! I'm trying to think of ot as cannon. Reality doesn't heart so much then.

[Shadow2G]

I'm happy the senior management has at least acknowledged that the ending disappointed an important segment of Mass Effect's fan base. That said, I plan on holding the line until we have something more concrete with regards to what the DLC or Bioware's final response will be.

What I'm worried about is downloadable content that will attempt to explain the current ending or tack an epilogue on to it. What I'm hoping for are additional choices that reflect past game decisions and will create new and "widely divergent" endings to stand alongside the current bespoke one. A set of conclusive endings and epilogues that range from uplifting to grim would be very welcome so that we can get the interactive role-playing experience that many of us have been looking forward to.

In the meanwhile, please continue to stay civil and hold the line.

[Iucounou]

Gi-Joe-Ge wrote...

A pity you are leaving us lucounou, but I understand your motives.

Take care and see you around in the ME universe, fellow comrade.

If you dont mind, could you please share the link list with us for one last time or send it to me by PM? I may include it to the one I am regularly updating.

I will still pop in from time to time, but here is the list.

Reviews:

Gamefront's 5 reasons the fans are right
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/
Angry Joe's top 10 reasons to hate the ME3 ending

ME3 endings comparison

Jeremy Jahns ending review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4
Archengeia's thoughts on the ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUqAhKW7498&feature=youtu.be
The California Literary Review
http://calitreview.com/24673
Forbes' Myth of Entitlement
http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/
The Mary Sue review
http://www.themarysu...ee-as-possible/
BBC Technology News article
http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

Podcasts:

The Paranoid Gamer (Lions and Tigers and Bioware, Oh my!)
http://theparanoidga...-bioware-oh-my/
Spill.com (Ending spoiler review)
http://my.spill.com/...logPost:5224387

Inspirational stuff:

The Commander Shepard song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiRDJLcYua0
The Hold the Line video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JspE9ctseIU
Commander Shepard is still a jerk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PjTuSQNLI4
Mass Effect - In the End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCddYcOGYUg&feature=related


Satire and Parody:

ME3 Recontextualised
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWIimukNeAE
Mass Deffect 7 Shepard's Reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzYLTbQQEZQ&feature=related
The Animal House ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4iNJXrHA_I
Mass Deffect Monster Reaper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyoev5RzO_w
Japanime ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAmVVAjZZeM
Marauder Shields - He gave his life trying to save us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNoIwHychkY&feature=youtu.be
Marauder Shields comic strip
http://koobismo.devi...rt.com/gallery/

Twitter:

HarbytheReaper
https://twitter.com/#!/HarbyTheReaper

Images and Pictures:

VGCats #300
http://www.vgcats.co...ages/120318.jpg
What it should have said on the box
http://i14.photobuck...me3ba_super.jpg
What the kittens think of it all
http://i14.photobuck...s/ME3Boldly.jpg
Marauder Shields
http://koobismo.devi...andomize:1&qo=4

[Silasqtx]

http://social.biowar...06/polls/30236/

VOTE NOW AND SPREAD IT AROUND

Come on guys.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Spartas Husky wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Snake91 wrote...

Please people don't kill me about the endings i agree with you that ME3 have to have many endings for everyone to choose the ending they want but this have to be the end of Shepard's story i think Bioware had done awesome work with the ending why cos in the end Shepard give his life to save the lifes of others for me this is wonderful ending and wonderful ending of Shepard'story to die like a hero :crying:

You are of course entitled to your opinion, my opinion is that my Shepard went out with a whimper in all 3(one) endings.

Like my cousin said. "if you were not a Gears of War fan, Dominic's Death didn't matter to you"... same applies here.

Only those with emotional investment actually observe the slightest details of a game, that most people who might just pick it up casually would not even notice.

Same applies to everygame. I wasn't a COD fan, yet my friend was teary when Soap died. I was ... "m3h" because I just wasn't a real fan of the series, and I admit that. COD for me s just a casual game to pass the time.
A hero is no good to anyone if your dead, regardless the Mass Effect series is based on 2 points:
-The abiility for a single man or woman to lead people and unite them regardless of background and ideology. Accepting their differences while helping each other.
The idea was always "unity without uniformity". Sr-1 was perfect example, and suicide mission. You gather people from different places, and while nobody believes you can win or even succeed partially, you do. Even your own team members have reservetations of others that aren't their species.

-The 2nd main theme is choice and consequence, you always have a choice, you always have a consequence based on your choice. While the overall story guides you a certain way, your decision ultimately leads to a conclusion, of "accomplished". however how you reach that goal is in different ways, through ruthless action or compassionate ambition.

Did you thought of any of the aforementioned while playing the game?

Well Ironicly Gears had a superweapon big energy blast thing that destroys the enemy, and a bittersweet ending, hero lives but best friend is dead, but least he has not lost everything and there is hope for the future

[Jetfire99]

Back online banner off line but we are holding!

[KLGChaos]

As I said in the endings suggestion thread-- I highly doubt anyone would truly be pleased with an "extra explanation" DLC that kept us stuck with the same three choices. Most of us want closure, we want the plot holes addressed, the contradiction of previously established lore addresses and most importantly, we want a choice as to how we end our game-- from happy to sad-- depending on your previous actions. We want to have that real final fight (preferably against Harbinger... Take him down from the inside maybe?)...

Most of all, we want OUR Shepard back. The one standing in the crucible isn't my Shep. He's Bioware's Shep and it shouldn't be that way.

Modifié par KLGChaos, 21 mars 2012 - 09:17 .

[DJBare]

Spartas Husky wrote...
Did you thought of any of the aforementioned while playing the game?

I place story over action, when I state my Shepard went out with a whimper, I mean he stood there more like a man with a broken spirit than the Shepard we came to know, the Shepard I came to know would certainly have had a few choice words before dying.