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[Spartas Husky]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...



I wouldn't actually mind because they at least put effort into trying to do what we asked. They will have learned their lesson and hopefully there next games will be better for it.

And that is what always happens. Doesn't it?

Once a company starts in the path of crappy work instead of its history long record of exemplary pieces of art. It doesn't stop. This isn't the first company and certainly wont be the last.

But the idea of "I'll thank them for the "effort" regardless of outcome" or fromwhat I gather in your statement if at least is somewhat decent is exactly what they want.

We'll produce something decent, most will thank us, buy from us again, and move on. base reestablished, fan based appeased mostly, future profit fixed.

Not to be pointing at you, but this is what many games have done and without a firm stance on what you want, while holding your wallet hostage they wont give you another piece of exemplary piece of art like they have done before.

Once a company does it out of their own volition or is pressured into mediocracy, anything but firm stance from followers will lead to nothing but a new lower standard for them.

Why bust your balls for the base when you got most of them are satisfied appeased with a "decent" work of art, instead of exemplary.

[Nharia1]

I don't know if this has been posted yet but here's something from one of the Founders of BioWare...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

[nrcrane]

Serlith_ wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

If you wanted all of your problems solved in an ending, Disney makes plenty of movies that will fit your taste.

Dude, wat?

Just ignore him. He's one of those that are upset that not everyone is grateful to Bioware for the endings we got.

[nitefyre410]

TamiBx wrote...

Snake91 wrote...

Please people don't kill me about the endings i agree with you that ME3 have to have many endings for everyone to choose the ending they want but this have to be the end of Shepard's story i think Bioware had done awesome work with the ending why cos in the end Shepard give his life to save the lifes of others for me this is wonderful ending and wonderful ending of Shepard'story to die like a hero :crying:

I don't understand why people think heroes need to die. They do not. War veterans are heroes too, and there are many of them alive. 
ME3 (imo) was all about hope, fighting for survival, and unity... not self sacrifice...<_<

 

Snake like  TamiBx  and others said 

He did not go out like  Hero... he want  out like a  chump - I have other words but there  is a lady present. So I'm going to watch my language.  The  Hero does not always have to  die in the end  sometimes they have to life to see the fruits of there labor. Shepard was that type of  hero , the type that when it all  looks like it gone hell and back... he/she finds a way to pull it through.  "There's always another way."  - Anderson.  Those endings took our choice away... My Shepard who  has a part of me in him would laughed in the kids face and let things play out.  ME 3 through the whole game no matter how grim it got  there was tone of hope. Rannoch and Tuchunka drove this home more than anything.  "A New Future for  The Krogan"       

A great example of a  heroic death... if you ready  X-men in Second Coming Nightclawer is killed by Bastion saving  Hope.  He says one final prayer(he is ordaned  Priest) before making his last jump and getting her to safety  with a fist size hole in his chest thats a Heroic Death.    From the game... Mordin ,Legion and Thane they all died  heroic death..each  paying the price to pave the way for Shepard to build the Armada.  

Now Shepards death was not Heroic is  it was pathetic... Snake..sorry..I have to respectfully disagree. 

[JamesYHT]

still holding, no matter what they say....

[lastpatriot]

Silasqtx wrote...

http://social.biowar...06/polls/30236/

VOTE NOW AND SPREAD IT AROUND

Come on guys.

Voted!

[MordiMoro]

I used Italian markets are full of ME 1 2 3, collector's etc.. Members sell all 3 collector's together etc... 

Modifié par MordiMoro, 21 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[pharsti]

My post got locked for some reason

I just got home, saw the statement from Mr. Muzyka, did he just confirm that theyre working on something to provide more "closure and clarify" and that wed hear more of it in April?

[Lord Costantino]

TamiBx wrote...

Risselda wrote...

www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/21/bioware-co-founder-apologizes-to-fans-for-the-mass-effect-3-ending-sort-of/

This was posted in a thread earlier.

Official confirmation contentt o explain the ending will be added.

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are
hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help
answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further
closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April.  We’re
working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic
integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve
received."

Guess they are not adding new endings, just explaining what is there. I don't know what to think. I am happy, but I am scared to say I am finding it difficult to trust them. They sounds so....defensive...about the ending, which was very obviously lacking.

It's called pride, and they just don't want to admit it. 

And on a side note, I love Forbes. <3

After seeing all these articles from Forbes over the past 2-3 weeks I can proudly say I am going to subscribe to them. They are very intelligent and honest 

[kewnsty]

this may sound enraged or passionate but really its jsut logical to not buya incomplete product.
its a shame that face book started the whole micro transation fire storm thats creeping into every game/ developer these days.
i dont see the need to pay more for a still incomplete game .
i wouldnt buy the blender with out the blades. .would you?
you wouldnt buy a bed with out the matress right/
you wouldnt buy a shirt with outa front right? you wouldnt buy a car with no tires right?
why buy a game thats missing stuff?

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Out of interest does it really matter what they say as long as they know we know they know we know they screwed up and take appropriate measures to fix it?

[Nharia1]

nitefyre410 wrote...



He did not go out like  Hero... he want  out like a  chump - I have other words but there  is a lady present.

*cough* Ladies *cough* :innocent:

[Menthro]

Any news?

[TamiBx]

 Wait. Wasn't there a rumor going on about Bioware releasing an official statement on Wednesday? Well, I guess the rumor was right...

[Bionic Weapon]

Ruari wrote...
Heck, I'd even appreciate one last convo wheel option, maybe Shep giving a speech broadcast over the extranet. Talking about the sacrificies everyone has made but that we survived as a civilization and highlight all the accomplishments made in the series or just ME3. Could be a dedication of a memorial or something...I could even live without the Citadel in the ME universe, just not the relays. It causes way too much of a plothole (although...if the Citadel is the control center I guess that'd be another plothole they'd have to get around.) 

The issue with the relay destruction I have is this:


When the beam fired and sent its signal (or whatever it was) through each relay why not just have it drain all the element zero cores in order to destroy the reapers? That way the relays are just inactive and not completely wiped out.  More element zero resources  would be needed to found to reactivate  them, but travel would be possible again. Even of it took months/years to make it happen a least there would be hope for the species to return home.  
Also I don't buy that "these explosions were different" silliness. The relays would supernova and obliterate everyone. No Joker on some planet no earth no anything. Everyone is just...  gone. And even IF there was something left it wouldn't be enough to start over. Had there been no Arrival then we would be none the wiser. We'd probably still be upset because everyone is stranded but we wouldn't be able to say anything about what happens when a relays blows up/ is destroyed.

Besides the Reapers when they came through were going to shut them down anyway to cut off everyone so as to make the fight against them even more pointless/ hopeless. So destroying them was.. well pointless.
They could of been shut down or drained then that would allow for the galaxy to rally again to get them up and running.
So much potential but it seems that was lost along with what was promised and talked about.

[Spartas Husky]

DJBare wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
Did you thought of any of the aforementioned while playing the game?

I
place story over action, when I state my Shepard went out with a
whimper, I mean he stood there more like a man with a broken spirit than
the Shepard we came to know, the Shepard I came to know would certainly
have had a few choice words before dying.

Exactly.
Each one of us, gamers have grown attaached to our sheperd. and we shape
his o her persona given our personal imput. That is the 2nd most 
important theme of Mass effect, I dare go as far as say is on top right
next to

the ideology of unity not uniformity.
removing either one of these themes is to in effect, produce a game that isn't what the titles implies.
If you did everything wrong, if you fudged everyone, then yes maybe SHeperd should go with a whimper and not a blast.

But that should be ONE of many options. A completely opposite option should also be present like many before.
"we live.... or we die"
"we live happy, we live sad"
"we survive, with everyone"
"we survive, but on our own"

My Sheperd like you stated is "walk softly yet carry a big stick"
ME1. in feros I used renegade with the corporate idiot. Making him see that profit could be made form exogeni being branded "survivor company on colonies"
ME2. i asked nicely the Eclipse emrc near the window in Nassana tower but then I pushed him towards the window, WITHOUT killing him, and cracked it just a bit to send fear down his spine.
ME3. I punched and I wish I could have cracked ADmiral Gerrel's facemask for trying to kill my team.

Where was my option of Shooting the damn space child with a biotic warp...

Or like I said... where the hell is C-sec and aria's mercenaries. No way they'd have died in a day.

Had  been given the choice, killing the space child would have been my 4th renegade option in the entire series, yet that option and consequence was taken out, and a simple one spoon fed to me by force.

Why? if some of us are appeasers then fine, let the current ending satisfy them because they will follow. But the option should be there, to tell the weirdo child to duck off. And then deal with what we have done.

[DJBare]

 Hope EA has got a trick up their sleeve, I think they are going to need it www.google.co.uk/finance

[Mr Chr15topher]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Mr Chr15topher wrote...



I wouldn't actually mind because they at least put effort into trying to do what we asked. They will have learned their lesson and hopefully there next games will be better for it.

And that is what always happens. Doesn't it?

Once a company starts in the path of crappy work instead of its history long record of exemplary pieces of art. It doesn't stop. This isn't the first company and certainly wont be the last.

But the idea of "I'll thank them for the "effort" regardless of outcome" or fromwhat I gather in your statement if at least is somewhat decent is exactly what they want.

We'll produce something decent, most will thank us, buy from us again, and move on. base reestablished, fan based appeased mostly, future profit fixed.

Not to be pointing at you, but this is what many games have done and without a firm stance on what you want, while holding your wallet hostage they wont give you another piece of exemplary piece of art like they have done before.

Once a company does it out of their own volition or is pressured into mediocracy, anything but firm stance from followers will lead to nothing but a new lower standard for them.

Why bust your balls for the base when you got most of them are satisfied appeased with a "decent" work of art, instead of exemplary.

Those 2 lines of the 4 line or so paragraph doesn't explain what I said fully. I mean that after they have said that they didn't have a DLC ready to distribute and that they would work on one, I would be happy when one was produced, because even if they still don't get it exactly right, they have at least put the effort in to try and give us what we asked for, not just punch us in the face with the "NO" fist.

[nitefyre410]

Nharia1 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...



He did not go out like  Hero... he want  out like a  chump - I have other words but there  is a lady present.

*cough* Ladies *cough* :innocent:

 

my apologies 

[TamiBx]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Out of interest does it really matter what they say as long as they know we know they know we know they screwed up and take appropriate measures to fix it?

...wait, what? 

[Lord Costantino]

DJBare wrote...

 Hope EA has got a trick up their sleeve, I think they are going to need it www.google.co.uk/finance

They better because if Bioware was to fix the ending and the ending being garbage still then imagin the stock after that. They NEED to deliever the goods if they hope to survive.

[kramerfan86]

KLGChaos wrote...

As I said in the endings suggestion thread-- I highly doubt anyone would truly be pleased with an "extra explanation" DLC that kept us stuck with the same three choices. Most of us want closure, we want the plot holes addressed, the contradiction of previously established lore addresses and most importantly, we want a choice as to how we end our game-- from happy to sad-- depending on your previous actions. We want to have that real final fight (preferably against Harbinger... Take him down from the inside maybe?)...

Most of all, we want OUR Shepard back. The one standing in the crucible isn't my Shep. He's Bioware's Shep and it shouldn't be that way.

Agreed 100%.  I am not particularly interested in an "explanation" DLC that is the same endings just explained.  That implies I dislike the endings because I am confused, that isnt the case.  I dont like them because they feel unsatisfying and dont properly reflect my path through the trilogy.   That wont change because they are explained in more detail.

[Lexica]

Tring to reply to the forbes article that was posted a while back its so hard to word it the way i want it to lol

[Luiginius]

@Spartas Husky
Those ideals, for me anyway, were present 100% of the time. The resolution between Geth&Quarians, the situation involving Grunt. Wasn't a huge fan of Grunt, always kept missing wrex come team selection time in me2, but the point were you basically asked Grunt to die was, heavy.

[Salyut]

MartinPenwald wrote...

Amen.

Choice is what this is all about. We were promised that our choices would matter, and that's what we wanna see in the game.

Want Shepard to die a hero? Choose to do so.

Want to listen to space child's ramblings and watch some disjointed scenes that don't make sense? Choose to do so.

Want Shepard to survive and reunite with the LI? Choose to do so.

Agreed. This is the major reason the endings have caused such an outcry imo. The plotholes and God Child were bad, yes. I just think people would have been less critical of these things if the game had still given us meaningful choices in the end.

I would go so far as to say that choice is the core gameplay element of the ME games and even BioWare games in general. To radically alter the core gameplay in the final moment like ME3 did is unacceptable to me.