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[BigglesFlysAgain]

TamiBx wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Out of interest does it really matter what they say as long as they know we know they know we know they screwed up and take appropriate measures to fix it?

...wait, what? 

Well people are complaining that bioware are not listening or taking fans seriously, they could be and just not admit it to save public face .until they release the dlc

[Hydralysk]

lastpatriot wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

http://social.biowar...06/polls/30236/

VOTE NOW AND SPREAD IT AROUND

Come on guys.

Voted!

I'm surprised so many people wanted a boss battle personally. I actually really liked that the "boss battle" was a dialogue scene with TIM, yeah it was pretty much the Saren scene, but I like being able to talk my way out of a situation. Hell if there's a Persuade skill of some kind I'm almost always going to invest heavily in it. Hell the ME2 Reaper boss wasn't half as awesome to me as the the dialogue bit afterwards with The Illusive Man.

TIM: "Don't turn your back on me Shepard! I made you I brought you back from the dead!"
Shepard: "And I'm going to do exactly what you brought me back to do. I'm gonna win this war, and I'll do it without sacrificing the soul of our species" *walks off with a satisfied smirk*

Though really in the end that's EXACTLY what shepard does imo.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 21 mars 2012 - 09:28 .

[Spartas Husky]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...



Those 2 lines of the 4 line or so paragraph doesn't explain what I said fully. I mean that after they have said that they didn't have a DLC ready to distribute and that they would work on one, I would be happy when one was produced, because even if they still don't get it exactly right, they have at least put the effort in to try and give us what we asked for, not just punch us in the face with the "NO" fist.

This time I'll leave all of it then I apologize. When a copany starts to cut corners, and get the same result or an acceptable profit from Fans... it will never ever go back to display top notch work.

If you settle for anything but the best, which they have already done so during the past years. You will be part of that base that will settle for their new standard. And they will be happy to put less effort into a product that will yield acceptable profits.

If you hire a technical expert, you expect the very best of him, the moment he starts lacking you give him a  2nd chance and everyone should get. Would you keep him if his second chance he does just "ok" and doesn't display the innital skills, talents and innitiative that you originally hired him for?

Same applies. If you expect anything but the best, it will give them wiggle room in the future to cut corners. The threat of do it right or dont do it at all, is what keeps companies interested because the "middle" option gives them still profit, and in the end the profit margain is what matters.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 21 mars 2012 - 09:28 .

[PhoenixDove1]

IxSITHxI wrote...

@HarbyTheReaper How many reapers does it take to stop Commander Shepard?



@Asenza SIX HUNDRED AND ONE. SIX HUNDRED FIGHT HIS INTERGALACTIC ARMADA AND ONE PRETENDS TO BE A KID AND TALKS HIM INTO SUICIDE

Oh Harby you make me laugh sooo hard lol.

LOL, thanks for sharing

[TamiBx]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Out of interest does it really matter what they say as long as they know we know they know we know they screwed up and take appropriate measures to fix it?

...wait, what? 

Well people are complaining that bioware are not listening or taking fans seriously, they could be and just not admit it to save public face .until they release the dlc

Oh, okay! Haha. There were too many "we know" and "they know" that I couldn't follow...
Well...if they are, they might as well say it soon or else it will only make people more mad. 

[Lord Costantino]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Out of interest does it really matter what they say as long as they know we know they know we know they screwed up and take appropriate measures to fix it?

...wait, what? 

Well people are complaining that bioware are not listening or taking fans seriously, they could be and just not admit it to save public face .until they release the dlc

admitting it and saying that they don goofed wouldn't have lost face if they said that they would fix it because they goof'ed. That would actually show that they listen to their customers and fans and would have NEVER made news.

[Ohpus]

I didn't see at first, but You're right.

It does say "current"!!!

Maybe there is hope.

Holding the line stronger than ever before!!!

No, no. What Bioware has been trying to teach us with these endings and their communications is that there is no hope.

So said Habringer to Sheppard, so say Bioware to us.

[Silasqtx]

Hydralysk wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

http://social.biowar...06/polls/30236/

VOTE NOW AND SPREAD IT AROUND

Come on guys.

Voted!

I'm surprised so many people wanted a boss battle personally. I actually really liked that the "boss battle" was a dialogue scene with TIM, yeah it was pretty much the Saren scene, but I like being able to talk my way out of a situation. Hell if there's a Persuade skill of some kind I'm almost always going to invest heavily in it. Hell the ME2 Reaper boss wasn't half as awesome to me as the the dialogue bit afterwards with The Illusive Man.

TIM: "Don't turn your back on me Shepard! I made you I brought you back from the dead!"
Shepard: "And I'm going to do exactly what you brought me back to do. I'm gonna win this war, and I'll do it without sacrificing the soul of our species" *walks off with a satisfied smirk*

Though really in the end that's EXACTLY what shepard does imo.

Me too, but I wanted to make this poll as choice-wide as possible.

[Nharia1]

TamiBx wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Out of interest does it really matter what they say as long as they know we know they know we know they screwed up and take appropriate measures to fix it?

...wait, what? 

I think he's trying to confuse us with circle logic... and its working

[Lord Costantino]

@TamiBx

If I knew you in person we would be the best friends when it comes to gaming lol Our opinions match so well lol

[Spartas Husky]

Luiginius wrote...

@Spartas Husky
Those ideals, for me anyway, were present 100% of the time. The resolution between Geth&Quarians, the situation involving Grunt. Wasn't a huge fan of Grunt, always kept missing wrex come team selection time in me2, but the point were you basically asked Grunt to die was, heavy.

I disagree, a little, those ideas were present 95% of the time. Right up until you go up the beam.

You can have the greatest cake ever, but the cheery on top is a small ball of monkey feces. We know the cake isn't spoiled by that small little ball of crap... but I guarantee you most wont even touch the cake, even if that little ball didn't touch most of the cake.

[nrcrane]

Not really understanding why Bioware is fighting the fans on this. Providing diverse meaningful endings is what they said they wanted to do, it's what fans said they wanted, they were planning on DLC anyways, so why not just do what everyone wanted in the first place and make money in the process.

Also I bet if they do give in people all over the internet would sing their praises on how they listen to their fans. Seems like it would be a win-win for them.

[ajunta_]

DJBare wrote...

 Hope EA has got a trick up their sleeve, I think they are going to need it www.google.co.uk/finance

I watched this page all these days, and their index each day either drops a few points or gathers a few, but stays within the same range. There were no drastic changes and not much difference to the values before ME release. If you'll look at the month statistic, you'll see that now it's even better than at the beginning of March.

[Feraiin]

Spartas Husky wrote...

bellabri287 wrote...

OK so removing endings is basically impossible. Leave end endings then, just add a few to it! This talk of no new endings makes me sad. I don't think it's unreasonable to pick up after people who chose the Destroy option and add to it, or give us a couple whole endings from the beam run.

*sigh*

Is not impossible. But is a huge undertaking like I've mentioned before.

There are two pieces that THEY HAVE to add, and two opportunities to do so.

When you go up the beam and when you wake up is an opportunity. A fight through the citadel, linking up with people inside, fighting to get to the "storage" area where all the dead are being taken by the reapers.

The other part they can fix, is actually after the weirdo child. Literally use that and make him be hardbinger messing up with your mind while your unconcious, indoctrination theory or w/e.

It can be done... but again is a huge undertaking.

It may be a big undertaking, but remember that this God-Kid business was introduced literally in the last 5 minutes. There has never been a hint that it would be the final boss (only appearing as the face of the people Shep couldn't save in his dreams; and yes, that is what the kid represents, it says so in the artbook coming with the N7 edition), so it would be relatively easy to rewrite.

However I agree, that having quality cinemtics for a changed end, the gameplay, all the programing, new art and such would take quite some time. Whatever the outcome is, if Bioware decides to give ME the ending it deserves, we will be faced with a waiting period of several months.

[Luiginius]

Hydralysk wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

http://social.biowar...06/polls/30236/

VOTE NOW AND SPREAD IT AROUND

Come on guys.

Voted!

I'm surprised so many people wanted a boss battle personally. I actually really liked that the "boss battle" was a dialogue scene with TIM, yeah it was pretty much the Saren scene, but I like being able to talk my way out of a situation. Hell if there's a Persuade skill of some kind I'm almost always going to invest heavily in it. Hell the ME2 Reaper boss wasn't half as awesome to me as the the dialogue bit afterwards with The Illusive Man.

TIM: "Don't turn your back on me Shepard! I made you I brought you back from the dead!"
Shepard: "And I'm going to do exactly what you brought me back to do. I'm gonna win this war, and I'll do it without sacrificing the soul of our species" *walks off with a satisfied smirk*

Though really in the end that's EXACTLY what shepard does imo.

I assumed there would be something involving Harbinger in the end and that might be why ppl vote that way. Reapers got their thunder stolen a bit in the end.

[zovoes]

nitefyre410 wrote...



He did not go out like  Hero... he want  out like a  chump.

bout how i feel man. whats the old saying "not with a bang but with a whimper". really thats the "artistic vision" for shepard? thats how a hero should die? why? i mean that WHY should he just take that?

[Yuoaman]

Wow, EA's stocks weren't doing so hot yesterday.

[Geinen]

DJBare wrote...

 Hope EA has got a trick up their sleeve, I think they are going to need it www.google.co.uk/finance

Im looking at the monthly summary, they've been going up and down for a while now....am I missing something?

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[Deschi]

However I agree, that having quality cinemtics for a changed end, the gameplay, all the programing, new art and such would take quite some time. Whatever the outcome is, if Bioware decides to give ME the ending it deserves, we will be faced with a waiting period of several months.

yeah and i am absolutely willing to wait till they really finished making a true epic and satisfying finale without plot holes and which doesnt feel like a patchwork

[Cybermortis]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

bellabri287 wrote...

OK so removing endings is basically impossible. Leave end endings then, just add a few to it! This talk of no new endings makes me sad. I don't think it's unreasonable to pick up after people who chose the Destroy option and add to it, or give us a couple whole endings from the beam run.

*sigh*

Is not impossible. But is a huge undertaking like I've mentioned before.

There are two pieces that THEY HAVE to add, and two opportunities to do so.

When you go up the beam and when you wake up is an opportunity. A fight through the citadel, linking up with people inside, fighting to get to the "storage" area where all the dead are being taken by the reapers.

The other part they can fix, is actually after the weirdo child. Literally use that and make him be hardbinger messing up with your mind while your unconcious, indoctrination theory or w/e.

It can be done... but again is a huge undertaking.

It is a huge undertaking, but with something this big, a quick fix just wouldn't do it. That's the kind of thing that started this campaign off. Even if they make an ending DLC and it still isn't brilliant, I wouldn't actually mind because they at least put effort into trying to do what we asked. They will have learned their lesson and hopefully there next games will be better for it.

How is it a bigger undertaking that a 2 hour DLC? They don't HAVE to add in any additional 'boss' fights...or any new locations.

If they went with the current ending being a dream (indoctrination theory *sigh*) they could pick up from just after the current ending with Shepard waking up near the beam with his teammates and making that final push towards the beam. They could move things to the Citidel using the existing settings and have Shepard confronting Harbringer in a battle of wills rather than a straightforward fight - Shepard might have the option of litrally talking the Reapers down (Paragon; Your logic is wrong because I've done this this and this. Renegade; Leave or I'll kill each and everyone of you), coming to some agreement with them (We'll leave you...for now) or just activating the cruicible and destroying the Reapers at the cost of his own life. Maybe the effect of the cruicible works in more than one way, depending on your paragon/renegade score or your readyness level (Allowing reuse of existing endings to some degree). It might release a pulse that will destroy the Reapers but also destroy most of the allied fleet and parts of Earth...maybe it can be used to target individual Reapers helping even the odds and allowing your Fleet to win the fight if it is strong enough. Maybe it can re-write the Reapers...giving Shepard the option to control the Reapers (for humanity!), force them to go away or even get them to help the galaxy.

None of these requires a 'boss fight' or new areas, just cut scenes and diolog. Sure they could add a fight here if they wanted to - although that would require the citidel areas to be partly redesigned so they have some cover - if Shepard opts or has to take the option to use the crucible Harbringer might well call in all of his available minions to try and stop him.

Just as importantly this would allow for all of the sorts of endings both the developers AND players want. Shepard can die, sacrificing himself for the greater good or survive. Many of these options would also leave unanswered questions...Can the Reapers be trusted to stay away, and if so how long will they stay away? Is Shepard really controlling the Reapers...or are they just playing along until they can figure out a way to get rid of the cruicible or change their programming...Did Shepard really destroy all of the Reapers...or could there be a few left out there looking for the chance to get revenge on the species that nearly wiped them out?

See, everyone would be happy.

[Hydralysk]

nrcrane wrote...

Not really understanding why Bioware is fighting the fans on this. Providing diverse meaningful endings is what they said they wanted to do, it's what fans said they wanted, they were planning on DLC anyways, so why not just do what everyone wanted in the first place and make money in the process.

Also I bet if they do give in people all over the internet would sing their praises on how they listen to their fans. Seems like it would be a win-win for them.

To do that would admit to some extent that their endings were so bad people were PLEADING for new ones, they've also got their pride as writers tangled up in this. Plus there are lots of people/media out there already saying that'd be "selling out their artistic integrity" if they did that, though they seem to forget that we were promised by the dev team that this exact ending wouldn't happen.

[Needsnewending]

Indoctrination theory would be the most awesome explenation to all this, Bioware! it would be a masterpice..

[masseffectfan94]

Star Child:Hey shepard if you jump off that cliff there will be peace
Shepard: Really?
Star Child: Yup
Shepard: Sounds like a plan
Star Child: Well that was easy i dont know what harbinger was talking about

[TamiBx]

Lord Costantino wrote...

@TamiBx

If I knew you in person we would be the best friends when it comes to gaming lol Our opinions match so well lol

I know, right? 
Starting from the fact that we are here because we both love ME3 and hate the ending.