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[nitefyre410]

Hydralysk wrote...

*snip* 


I'm surprised so many people wanted a boss battle personally. I actually really liked that the "boss battle" was a dialogue scene with TIM, yeah it was pretty much the Saren scene, but I like being able to talk my way out of a situation. Hell if there's a Persuade skill of some kind I'm almost always going to invest heavily in it. Hell the ME2 Reaper boss wasn't half as awesome to me as the the dialogue bit afterwards with The Illusive Man.

TIM: "Don't turn your back on me Shepard! I made you I brought you back from the dead!"
Shepard: "And I'm going to do exactly what you brought me back to do. I'm gonna win this war, and I'll do it without sacrificing the soul of our species" *walks off with a satisfied smirk*

Though really in the end that's EXACTLY what shepard does imo.

I like that about Mass Effect as well but I want a boss battle, this is end of the Shepard story... you got to go all out and TBH... sometimes you just gotta put foot to ass to save galaxy.  Plus it making a fight like  Saren would be a great  fan service too everyone... Like what Kojima did at when you fought Ocelot on top of  Aresenal Gear in MGS 4.... its a  great thank you...  as a fan you could not help buy smile and the Melody of all the Themes from all the games played .  .. it was just great moment.  

[Cybermortis]

Geinen wrote...

DJBare wrote...

 Hope EA has got a trick up their sleeve, I think they are going to need it www.google.co.uk/finance

Im looking at the monthly summary, they've been going up and down for a while now....am I missing something?

EA share price has been hovering between $16-17 since Febuary, with occasional spikes and drops along the way.

[K0M154R]

DJBare wrote...

 Hope EA has got a trick up their sleeve, I think they are going to need it www.google.co.uk/finance

So? Their stock has more or less stabilized. The impact of ME3 is merely a blip on the steady fall in share price since November, not to mention this tends to be the slower part of the year. It should pick up later in the year.

ME3 isn't going to destroy EA by a long shot. So far 3.5 million units is already a success, just not the true blockbuster that they were banking on. 

[Lord Costantino]

Needsnewending wrote...

Indoctrination theory would be the most awesome explenation to all this, Bioware! it would be a masterpice..

Ikr, the indoc theory would help get it back on track and when Shepard wakes up they then can make the REAL endings with other things

[Mr Chr15topher]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Mr Chr15topher wrote...



Those 2 lines of the 4 line or so paragraph doesn't explain what I said fully. I mean that after they have said that they didn't have a DLC ready to distribute and that they would work on one, I would be happy when one was produced, because even if they still don't get it exactly right, they have at least put the effort in to try and give us what we asked for, not just punch us in the face with the "NO" fist.

This time I'll leave all of it then I apologize. When a copany starts to cut corners, and get the same result or an acceptable profit from Fans... it will never ever go back to display top notch work.

If you settle for anything but the best, which they have already done so during the past years. You will be part of that base that will settle for their new standard. And they will be happy to put less effort into a product that will yield acceptable profits.

If you hire a technical expert, you expect the very best of him, the moment he starts lacking you give him a  2nd chance and everyone should get. Would you keep him if his second chance he does just "ok" and doesn't display the innital skills, talents and innitiative that you originally hired him for?

Same applies. If you expect anything but the best, it will give them wiggle room in the future to cut corners. The threat of do it right or dont do it at all, is what keeps companies interested because the "middle" option gives them still profit, and in the end the profit margain is what matters.

I can see what you mean, but I just believe personally that something is better than nothing. I just think that it would show that they have at least listened to us and tried to give us what we want.

[Silasqtx]

http://social.biowar...06/polls/30236/

Hold the line.

[Computim]

K0M154R wrote...

DJBare wrote...

 Hope EA has got a trick up their sleeve, I think they are going to need it www.google.co.uk/finance

So? Their stock has more or less stabilized. The impact of ME3 is merely a blip on the steady fall in share price since November, not to mention this tends to be the slower part of the year. It should pick up later in the year.

ME3 isn't going to destroy EA by a long shot. So far 3.5 million units is already a success, just not the true blockbuster that they were banking on. 

Look at October 2007 for Microsoft (Month after Halo 3 release), versus now for EA... It's trending the opposite direction lol.  I think that's what he's getting at.

Modifié par Computim, 21 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[Salyut]

nrcrane wrote...

Not really understanding why Bioware is fighting the fans on this. Providing diverse meaningful endings is what they said they wanted to do, it's what fans said they wanted, they were planning on DLC anyways, so why not just do what everyone wanted in the first place and make money in the process.

Also I bet if they do give in people all over the internet would sing their praises on how they listen to their fans. Seems like it would be a win-win for them.

While I can't speak for BioWare, I can think of a couple of possible reasons:

- Artistic vision: they made the endings they envisioned and don't want to change them
- Ego: they feel upset/insulted by people demanding change and/or feel that changing the endings would be like admitting some sort of failure on their part
- Business reasons: they/their shareholders/the higher-ups believe that ending DLC would not be a sound financial move or fear that it will set a precedent for fan demands/backlash that might make things more difficult for them in the future.
- Overheads and underfoots: they're willing to change the endings but cannot make any promises right now because this needs to be discussed more before they can be given the go-ahead.
- Future ME products: they need the endings as they are now for planned future games/DLC and changing the endings would mess up their plans.

Well, that's just my take on them. I have no idea what's going through their heads right now.

[MysticBinary82]

Yuoaman wrote...

Wow, EA's stocks weren't doing so hot yesterday.

I don't know if we see an impact already.

[Hydralysk]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

*snip* 


I'm surprised so many people wanted a boss battle personally. I actually really liked that the "boss battle" was a dialogue scene with TIM, yeah it was pretty much the Saren scene, but I like being able to talk my way out of a situation. Hell if there's a Persuade skill of some kind I'm almost always going to invest heavily in it. Hell the ME2 Reaper boss wasn't half as awesome to me as the the dialogue bit afterwards with The Illusive Man.

TIM: "Don't turn your back on me Shepard! I made you I brought you back from the dead!"
Shepard: "And I'm going to do exactly what you brought me back to do. I'm gonna win this war, and I'll do it without sacrificing the soul of our species" *walks off with a satisfied smirk*

Though really in the end that's EXACTLY what shepard does imo.

I like that about Mass Effect as well but I want a boss battle, this is end of the Shepard story... you got to go all out and TBH... sometimes you just gotta put foot to ass to save galaxy.  Plus it making a fight like  Saren would be a great  fan service too everyone... Like what Kojima did at when you fought Ocelot on top of  Aresenal Gear in MGS 4.... its a  great thank you...  as a fan you could not help buy smile and the Melody of all the Themes from all the games played .  .. it was just great moment.  

Please don't mention MGS4, the entire last 2 chapters of that game were almost perfect. And yeah that last fight with Ocelot was one of the most incredible boss fights ever, and that was just 2 senior citizens fist fighting. It just makes ME3's end THAT much more painful when I remember MGS4....

EDIT: Think about that. A game that is famous for having a ridiculously convoluted, conspiracy ridden plot, and it's ending still made more sense than ME3.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 21 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[Spartas Husky]

Cybermortis wrote...

How is it a bigger undertaking that a 2 hour DLC? They don't HAVE to add in any additional 'boss' fights...or any new locations.

Because is not the length of it, but what is based on. Remember that 2hr DLC wont be the same for everyone. Those last 2 hrs missing have hundreds of variables. So they could literally be making a dozen hours of dlc, and only 2 will actually carry to a certain individual.

ALthough clips may be shared of course, we know bioware is no expert and copy paste scenes with different rainbow colors.

But the 2hrs PLUS cinematics... are different.
Example:
Geth are there but you destroyed the heretics.
Getha re there with heretics
Geth with primes
Geth without primes
Geth with quarians
geth only

Casualties to the other ground and space grops because of those decisions just mentioned before.
Do krogan take more casualties because of lack of geth?
Rachni?
Do krogans have mounts from the one you found in fossil? Casualties to them and allies depending on their new mounts?

More variables than ever play a part in the last 2 hours than the entire game combined I'd surmise. Hence why it might just be a 2 hr dlc... but They have to make a 2hr dlc for MANY different endings.... 16 endings to be exact as they said meaning they have to make 8 different 2 hr dlc's...

[NeverQuiteAwake]

Lord Costantino wrote...

Needsnewending wrote...

Indoctrination theory would be the most awesome explenation to all this, Bioware! it would be a masterpice..

Ikr, the indoc theory would help get it back on track and when Shepard wakes up they then can make the REAL endings with other things

Agreed. It would probably be the easiest way for them to implement new endings without having to write over content.

[Spartas Husky]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...


I can see what you mean, but I just believe personally that something is better than nothing. I just think that it would show that they have at least listened to us and tried to give us what we want.

"something" is not the word I would use to describe ME1, or Mass Effect 2. or Knights of the Old republic.

You eagerness to accept anything as long as it brings "some" level of closure is exactly what they are preying on to cut corners.

[TSC_1]

kramerfan86 wrote...

KLGChaos wrote...

As I said in the endings suggestion thread-- I highly doubt anyone would truly be pleased with an "extra explanation" DLC that kept us stuck with the same three choices. Most of us want closure, we want the plot holes addressed, the contradiction of previously established lore addresses and most importantly, we want a choice as to how we end our game-- from happy to sad-- depending on your previous actions. We want to have that real final fight (preferably against Harbinger... Take him down from the inside maybe?)...

Most of all, we want OUR Shepard back. The one standing in the crucible isn't my Shep. He's Bioware's Shep and it shouldn't be that way.

Agreed 100%.  I am not particularly interested in an "explanation" DLC that is the same endings just explained.  That implies I dislike the endings because I am confused, that isnt the case.  I dont like them because they feel unsatisfying and dont properly reflect my path through the trilogy.   That wont change because they are explained in more detail.

Vote and let Bioware know.

[Elanor]

lastpatriot wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

http://social.biowar...06/polls/30236/

VOTE NOW AND SPREAD IT AROUND

Come on guys.

Voted!

Voted again.

[Needsnewending]

i copied this somewhere..

You can draw lines between Mass effect 3, and if this happened.

“Imagine a Return of The Jedi where Han dies, Leia dies, Luke dies and Darth Vader dies, Rebel fleet gets stranded and abandoned somewhere and Ewoks are the only ones left to light the fires.”

[Lord Costantino]

Little Miss Angel wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

Needsnewending wrote...

Indoctrination theory would be the most awesome explenation to all this, Bioware! it would be a masterpice..

Ikr, the indoc theory would help get it back on track and when Shepard wakes up they then can make the REAL endings with other things

Agreed. It would probably be the easiest way for them to implement new endings without having to write over content.

I wonder if the community should just open our own game company...we seem to have better ideas and would stick to our guns on what needs to change and what is good. Take the Dragon Age series for example...we would upgrade the combat like DA2 did but not make it dummy'ized. We would laso probably argue about the Talking protag or no talking protag but other then that we seem golden <_<

[MysticBinary82]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

How is it a bigger undertaking that a 2 hour DLC? They don't HAVE to add in any additional 'boss' fights...or any new locations.

[...]
But the 2hrs PLUS cinematics... are different.
Example:
Geth are there but you destroyed the heretics.
Getha re there with heretics
Geth with primes
Geth without primes
Geth with quarians
geth only

[...]

But these cinematics does not need to be CGI. They can be ingame. I don't know why they used so much cgi in the first place?

[Generic Name]

It's a sad day in the verse when a simple brown coat is waiting on EA to save the day... wait. Wrong universe (my bad).

Just caught up on those last 15 pages.

Hold the line.

[K0M154R]

Computim wrote...


Look at October 2007 for Microsoft (Month after Halo 3 release), versus now for EA... It's trending the opposite direction lol.  I think that's what he's getting at.

Again, I think you're seeing ghosts here. 2007 = last bull year whereas post 2008 = great recession, remember?
Also, you can say that about nearly any company. Ford, BP, Apple... Everyone has good times, and bad. Hell, there was a time when EA was operating at a loss.

Last I looked, EA is turning a profit, and even if they do see their stock price dip too low, they might just schedule a buyback.
 
I feel weird bringing this up, buuuuuut, this isn't exactly pertinant to the Mass Effect 3 Ending. EA's not going to implode, everything else constant. End of story.

[KLGChaos]

I wouldn't mind a full on expansion. I'd still be upset I'd have to buy a complete ending, but it's better than nothing.

The thing is, if they just went with the indoctrination from the beginning and had the end of ME3 be a battle in Shep's mind, followed by a "To be continued" in a further expansion (possibly due to previous ending leaks), there would have been backlash still, for sure, but I doubt on this scale. And you know what? A lot of people would have said it's one of the best twists ever when they realized in those final few moments that what they just saw was a hallucination.

Sadly, they just dropped the ball. Doubly so by the lack of info and silence. Old PR tactics like that don't work as well nowadays and in the end, just end up making the company look worse.

[Spartas Husky]

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

How is it a bigger undertaking that a 2 hour DLC? They don't HAVE to add in any additional 'boss' fights...or any new locations.

[...]
But the 2hrs PLUS cinematics... are different.
Example:
Geth are there but you destroyed the heretics.
Getha re there with heretics
Geth with primes
Geth without primes
Geth with quarians
geth only

[...]

But these cinematics does not need to be CGI. They can be ingame. I don't know why they used so much cgi in the first place?

If all of these factors go into a line or two of dialogue... that would be so unfair to your effort. they need CGI....

Does the impact of your assortment of fleets feel the same if your on earth hearing the radio, or watching all of them come out of the relay?

[StarGateGod]

masseffectfan94 wrote...

Star Child:Hey shepard if you jump off that cliff there will be peace
Shepard: Really?
Star Child: Yup
Shepard: Sounds like a plan
Star Child: Well that was easy i dont know what harbinger was talking about

lol that would be a great bad ending

[Needsnewending]

The indoctrination theory would turn you to GODS,, just saying.

[Machazareel]

K0M154R wrote...

Computim wrote...


Look at October 2007 for Microsoft (Month after Halo 3 release), versus now for EA... It's trending the opposite direction lol.  I think that's what he's getting at.

Again, I think you're seeing ghosts here. 2007 = last bull year whereas post 2008 = great recession, remember?
Also, you can say that about nearly any company. Ford, BP, Apple... Everyone has good times, and bad. Hell, there was a time when EA was operating at a loss.

Last I looked, EA is turning a profit, and even if they do see their stock price dip too low, they might just schedule a buyback.
 
I feel weird bringing this up, buuuuuut, this isn't exactly pertinant to the Mass Effect 3 Ending. EA's not going to implode, everything else constant. End of story.

ME3 is one of their most anticipated releases for this fiscal. That their stock has barely risen during its release seems off.