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[baronkohinar]

Lord Costantino wrote...

I wonder if the community should just open our own game company...we seem to have better ideas and would stick to our guns on what needs to change and what is good. Take the Dragon Age series for example...we would upgrade the combat like DA2 did but not make it dummy'ized. We would laso probably argue about the Talking protag or no talking protag but other then that we seem golden <_<

Ah, but that would only work for so long. Then EA or Activision would buy us and a few years down the line, the product would suffer versus 'the bottom line' and the same cycle would begin again.

[Bruinbear]

After watching angry joes indoc video, i really hope this is the way bioware goes. It gives me hope that this can be salvaged and salvaged well. The post by the bioware writer over at penny arcade...super interesting, but I dont know how I feel about its implications... Crazy day today, but still holding the line until this is sorted out!

[Elanor]

masseffectfan94 wrote...

Star Child:Hey shepard if you jump off that cliff there will be peace
Shepard: Really?
Star Child: Yup
Shepard: Sounds like a plan
Star Child: Well that was easy i dont know what harbinger was talking about

lol

[Blackmind1]

 This circlejerk still going?

[Andreastornqvist]

Have you seen this?! They pretty much admit that they are doing some DLC that will affect the ending! http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

[Lord Costantino]

baronkohinar wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

I wonder if the community should just open our own game company...we seem to have better ideas and would stick to our guns on what needs to change and what is good. Take the Dragon Age series for example...we would upgrade the combat like DA2 did but not make it dummy'ized. We would laso probably argue about the Talking protag or no talking protag but other then that we seem golden <_<

Ah, but that would only work for so long. Then EA or Activision would buy us and a few years down the line, the product would suffer versus 'the bottom line' and the same cycle would begin again.

*facepalm*
Sadly true

[jonal11]

I don't understand the ending from a money perspective either. Going to Earth with the Victory Fleet, I thought for sure what some of the DLC's would be, and I always figured Shepard dieing as the closure, so they could move on.

DLCs

Take back the Turian Home world! Play as Garrus!

Take back the Asari Home world! Play as Liara!

Take back the Krogan Home world! Play as Wrex/Grunt/New Krogan!

Take back Omega with Aria! Play as a Batarrian/or whatever they want

But with the ending now...I just don't know wtf they are thinking they will be able to do.

[Elanor]

Bruinbear wrote...

After watching angry joes indoc video, i really hope this is the way bioware goes. It gives me hope that this can be salvaged and salvaged well. The post by the bioware writer over at penny arcade...super interesting, but I dont know how I feel about its implications... Crazy day today, but still holding the line until this is sorted out!

Yep, Andry Joe FTW. Listen to him Bioware.

[Cro730]

check it out guys!
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I'm honored that my question was picked to be one of the top 10!
Hopefully my question (and the answer to it), helped our movement!

[Cybermortis]

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

How is it a bigger undertaking that a 2 hour DLC? They don't HAVE to add in any additional 'boss' fights...or any new locations.

[...]
But the 2hrs PLUS cinematics... are different.
Example:
Geth are there but you destroyed the heretics.
Getha re there with heretics
Geth with primes
Geth without primes
Geth with quarians
geth only

[...]

But these cinematics does not need to be CGI. They can be ingame. I don't know why they used so much cgi in the first place?

Exactly, plus a great deal of my 'ideas' don't require them to show anything...its a conversation much as we have, but far more detailed and logical. The cut scenes themselves are the result of your choices...say you decide or have to use the crucible in a way that is going to destroy everything near Earth. Shepard would call the fleet to warn them, telling them to get out of the system as fast as possible - a large chunk of that ending scene is already in the game, even the Normandy's escape from the exploding relay is explained - they managed to high-tail it through the gate at the last moment.

(For those who missed it, and because I can't find another thread to put it in I'll repost my former ideas again. All of this is just off the top of my head;)

 
If they went with the current ending being a dream (indoctrination theory *sigh*) they could pick up from just after the current ending with Shepard waking up near the beam with his teammates and making that final push towards the beam. They could move things to the Citidel using the existing settings and have Shepard confronting Harbringer in a battle of wills rather than a straightforward fight - Shepard might have the option of litrally talking the Reapers down (Paragon; Your logic is wrong because I've done this this and this. Renegade; Leave or I'll kill each and everyone of you), coming to some agreement with them (We'll leave you...for now) or just activating the cruicible and destroying the Reapers at the cost of his own life. Maybe the effect of the cruicible works in more than one way, depending on your paragon/renegade score or your readyness level (Allowing reuse of existing endings to some degree). It might release a pulse that will destroy the Reapers but also destroy most of the allied fleet and parts of Earth...maybe it can be used to target individual Reapers helping even the odds and allowing your Fleet to win the fight if it is strong enough. Maybe it can re-write the Reapers...giving Shepard the option to control the Reapers (for humanity!), force them to go away or even get them to help the galaxy.

None of these requires a 'boss fight' or new areas, just cut scenes and diolog. Sure they could add a fight here if they wanted to - although that would require the citidel areas to be partly redesigned so they have some cover - if Shepard opts or has to take the option to use the crucible Harbringer might well call in all of his available minions to try and stop him.

Just as importantly this would allow for all of the sorts of endings both the developers AND players want. Shepard can die, sacrificing himself for the greater good or survive. Many of these options would also leave unanswered questions...Can the Reapers be trusted to stay away, and if so how long will they stay away? Is Shepard really controlling the Reapers...or are they just playing along until they can figure out a way to get rid of the cruicible or change their programming...Did Shepard really destroy all of the Reapers...or could there be a few left out there looking for the chance to get revenge on the species that nearly wiped them out?

See, everyone would be happy.

[Lord Costantino]

Listen to this song and imagin Retake Mass Effect and the community in the song...
http://www.escapistm...y-Mass-Effect-2

[Phoenix-Warden]

gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/03/21/hey-bioware-while-you-39-re-at-it.aspx

Don't know if already posted, sorry

Modifié par Phoenix-Warden, 21 mars 2012 - 09:58 .

[VyseN1]

jonal11 wrote...

I don't understand the ending from a money perspective either. Going to Earth with the Victory Fleet, I thought for sure what some of the DLC's would be, and I always figured Shepard dieing as the closure, so they could move on.

DLCs

Take back the Turian Home world! Play as Garrus!

Take back the Asari Home world! Play as Liara!

Take back the Krogan Home world! Play as Wrex/Grunt/New Krogan!

Take back Omega with Aria! Play as a Batarrian/or whatever they want

But with the ending now...I just don't know wtf they are thinking they will be able to do.

Don't give them more ideas, lol.

Modifié par VyseN1, 21 mars 2012 - 09:57 .

[Computim]

jonal11 wrote...

I don't understand the ending from a money perspective either. Going to Earth with the Victory Fleet, I thought for sure what some of the DLC's would be, and I always figured Shepard dieing as the closure, so they could move on.

DLCs

Take back the Turian Home world! Play as Garrus!

Take back the Asari Home world! Play as Liara!

Take back the Krogan Home world! Play as Wrex/Grunt/New Krogan!

Take back Omega with Aria! Play as a Batarrian/or whatever they want

But with the ending now...I just don't know wtf they are thinking they will be able to do.

Take back Sanity - Play as Citadel Kid.

[Hydralysk]

Andreastornqvist wrote...

Have you seen this?! They pretty much admit that they are doing some DLC that will affect the ending! http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

No they are only saying that they haven't ruled out anything, are aware of 'passionate' fan complaints, and that they are listening.

Same thing we've been hearing for the past 2 weeks.

Don't take half-baked responses like this as an actual answer. We need to hold the line till they either tell us "Yes we are making new/alternative ending(s)" or "No, we won't change the ending". Though to be honest, if they give us the exact same ending but with a minute of epilogue I'll STILL drop Bioware forever because that's completely ignoring the most poignant criticisms.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 21 mars 2012 - 10:00 .

[Fox544]

Gotta admit the more I learn about the Indoc Theory (Thanks Angry Joe!) the more playing ME3 sounds tolerable. Now ME3 is just missing content instead of having an ending that makes bathroom graffiti look like poetry.

[Bionic Weapon]

Needsnewending wrote...

Indoctrination theory would be the most awesome explenation to all this, Bioware! it would be a masterpice..

I watched that 22 minute video and everything IMO fits. Even if that wasn't their intention it fits. That dark black smoke around Shepard when talking to TIM and Anderson the fact that Sheaprd just excepts those outcomes and what's especially weird which I noticed in the game that the video pointed out. Shepards eyes were glowing blue like Sarens and TIM. They can say this theory isn't what they were going for but when you put those factors in perspective it seems like this was in fact the case.

I'd actually find it hilarious if they indeed didn't think of this but just put the pieces in there for the theory to actually fit.

In other words they look at the theory the go "Huh... that actually kind of fits".
I dunno, they'd have a hard time explaining the current ends.

Joker high tailing it out if there
Crew members being on the Normandy if they were with you
Sheaprd ( in the destroy ending) surviving re- entry into earths atmosphere the same way he/ she was when on the citadel.  
The relays not obliterating everyone and everything.

[weatabix]

Elanor1 wrote...

Bruinbear wrote...

After watching angry joes indoc video, i really hope this is the way bioware goes. It gives me hope that this can be salvaged and salvaged well. The post by the bioware writer over at penny arcade...super interesting, but I dont know how I feel about its implications... Crazy day today, but still holding the line until this is sorted out!

Yep, Andry Joe FTW. Listen to him Bioware.

Agreed, he is one of the few commentators who agrees with us. We seem to be a rarity on teh internets:P

Also for some extreme lolz check out this vid 
 

[WvStolzing]

Phoenix-Warden wrote...

gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/03/21/hey-bioware-while-you-39-re-at-it.aspx

Don't know if already posted, sorry

duh... I think I just split my sides, laughing...<_<

[Needsnewending]

Can the writers at Bioware take a look at this, witch is Awesome btw!

http://www.forbes.co...veryones-heads/

[Andreastornqvist]

Hydralysk wrote...

Andreastornqvist wrote...

Have you seen this?! They pretty much admit that they are doing some DLC that will affect the ending! http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

No they are only saying that they haven't ruled out anything, are aware of 'passionate' fan complaints, and that they are listening.

Same thing we've been hearing for the past 2 weeks.

" are hard at work on a number of game
content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more
clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

That's pretty clear. Now we just need to keep the pressure up until we know what it is, and will keep doing so if we aren't satisfied!

Hold the line!

[MysticBinary82]

Spartas Husky wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

How is it a bigger undertaking that a 2 hour DLC? They don't HAVE to add in any additional 'boss' fights...or any new locations.

[...]
But the 2hrs PLUS cinematics... are different.
Example:
Geth are there but you destroyed the heretics.
Getha re there with heretics
Geth with primes
Geth without primes
Geth with quarians
geth only

[...]

But these cinematics does not need to be CGI. They can be ingame. I don't know why they used so much cgi in the first place?

If all of these factors go into a line or two of dialogue... that would be so unfair to your effort. they need CGI....

Does the impact of your assortment of fleets feel the same if your on earth hearing the radio, or watching all of them come out of the relay?

Yes you might be true. I have nothing against CGI btw. They had that outsourced anyway. But it is not that hard to get 3 arivels at the relay. You just have to render all armadas on there own and the compose them togather how it would fit. how they does it already and sometimes not even good. You see some ships have a small wiggle motion if you look closely. Not very professionel and top notch but I can live with it.

[Doomed Avatar]

Computim wrote...

jonal11 wrote...

I don't understand the ending from a money perspective either. Going to Earth with the Victory Fleet, I thought for sure what some of the DLC's would be, and I always figured Shepard dieing as the closure, so they could move on.

DLCs

Take back the Turian Home world! Play as Garrus!

Take back the Asari Home world! Play as Liara!

Take back the Krogan Home world! Play as Wrex/Grunt/New Krogan!

Take back Omega with Aria! Play as a Batarrian/or whatever they want

But with the ending now...I just don't know wtf they are thinking they will be able to do.

Take back Sanity - Play as Citadel Kid.

LOL +1.

Watching your crew preparing the Normandy and the Victory Fleet to take back another homeworlds, after defeating the Reapers at Earth, would had been an outstanding ending IMHO.

Spanish fleet holding the line.

BTW, tell me how I can put photo in my signature, please (yes, it is a stupid question).

Modifié par Doomed Avatar, 21 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[K0M154R]

Machazareel wrote...


ME3 is one of their most anticipated releases for this fiscal. That their stock has barely risen during its release seems off.

Not exactly. Comparing the financial markets of 2007 and 2012 is a bit.. unfair, to say the least. Markets have some more pressing issues on their minds right now. You know, like entire nations going bankrupt.

As much as I am a Mass Effect fan, there's no comparing M.E. to Halo. Halo is a born blockbuster game. ME3 only tried to be.

What we see is that all this negative press seems to have offset the oh so brief honeymoon EA got from ME3. Like Disney with 'John Carter', EA has enough in the tube to where their future is just dandy.

[Computim]

WvStolzing wrote...

Phoenix-Warden wrote...

gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/03/21/hey-bioware-while-you-39-re-at-it.aspx

Don't know if already posted, sorry

duh... I think I just split my sides, laughing...<_<

Well at least Casey would look less like Sylar that way

Modifié par Computim, 21 mars 2012 - 10:04 .