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[KHReborn]

If somebody missed it:

An interesting article from Kotaku. (Yeah I didn't believe it either)

While reading I listened to this. (Has nothing to do with ME, but great to relax)

[MysticBinary82]

2147 CE
Trace amounts of element zero are discovered on Mars.

So now I am signing out...

Hold the line guys

[Aeyl]

I'd just like to restate why I'm here again.

Throughout all of Mass Effect games I've done my best to think towards the future. Even before I knew anything about ME 3, the games made you anticipate an epic galactic-scale conflict. When I had the choice to save the Rachni queen in ME 1, I took it. I spared Shiala and  when I was told I could use grenades to save the colonists of Zhu's Hope, I saved them (except for one). I took the time to do all of the loyalty quests in ME 2, because I knew I'd need allies. I destroyed the Collector Base because I didn't want TIM to have any information from it if/when we clashed in the future.

Then I pick up ME 3 at a midnight launch and play until sunrise. I saw my decisions making an impact, and old allies become war assets or help me to succeed at key points in the game.

My decisions mattered

I was already feeling a huge sense of accomplishment by the time I was running towards the beam in London. And then I get to the ending. And the embodiment of my character's in-game nightmares calmly becomes a true nightmare in and of itself.

None of my decisions mattered. Even with the "Live at the end" destroy ending, the game didn't feel any better mostly because it just didn't make sense.

If the Indoctrination Theory is true, then we were given a game without a true ending (Because it was all in Shepard's head and we have no idea what happens in the 'real' world: and that cutscene really doesn't help anything)  And if the Indoctrination Theory is false, then for some reason the game decides to throw in a bunch of huge logical and gameplay inconsistencies just for kicks to destroy the ending of one of the most well-known vide-game series.

A bit watered down, but I guess that's the point I want to get across.

[monima]

Well I am of to bed, good night, morning and afternoon everyone

[kewnsty]

WvStolzing wrote...

For newcomers--

Some new polls:
https://www.facebook...50638744824285/
http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/ (scroll down a bit for this one)

 needs a bump because we need to vote on these polls!
esp the g4 tv.! if they  tal about us more. its a win for us!

[LostHero2k9]

hmm just read the bioware blog post.... soooo ... can i call this a first (little) win for our case?

sure, we will still have to see what they will actually do, but it sounds at least like they try to do something.

[Regan Cousland]

Cyan-Glow wrote...

I think we should move the discussion from what we deserve as fans to what we want as consumers. The majority has voted that they will pay for DLC, and I say fine let's pay for some good DLC and finally get what we want. Money talks and expecting anything as substantial as free DLC conclusion is a tall order.

Let's shift to saying "we want this as consumers, we want it now, and we will pay for it."

Sure it casts a bad precedent, but it will move things past the ideas of entitlement, artistic freedom and teach the developer a lesson they won't forget.

I WILL pay for all-new endings that provide greater diversity based on player choice, and closure for squadmates, LIs and the galaxy, i.e. what everyone expected when they bought the game on release day.

I WILL NOT pay for a simple fix that makes a little more sense out of the current rush-job endings. I'd expect a simple patch like that for free and I'd be apalled if they charged for it.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

*From the Ray Muzyka statement*

"On one hand, some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s."

Anyone else sick of that being said?
In all polls, no matter how many people have voted (it doesn't really matter tbh) the majority have said the ending needs to be changed/or new endings need to be made.

How exactly is that "some of our loyal fans"? shouldn't that be "the majority of our loyal fans"?

Maybe I'm missing something, I don't understand PR speak even when I read the PR thread. I tend to take things at face value.

[mCorfe]

I'm willing to stop whining if BW explains to me why Tali (part of my final squad duo) appeared on the Normandy at the end. And how Joker managed to hit relay before it went boom. No? Can't explain? Okay then...

...still Holding the Line!

[Mortensus]

mCorfe wrote...

I'm willing to stop whining if BW explains to me why Tali (part of my final squad duo) appeared on the Normandy at the end. And how Joker managed to hit relay before it went boom. No? Can't explain? Okay then...

...still Holding the Line!

it's art no ?

[toffeetrooper]

just got in from work, what have i missed?

[Major Swift]

xHezz90 wrote...

*From the Ray Muzyka statement*

"On one hand, some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s."

Anyone else sick of that being said?
In all polls, no matter how many people have voted (it doesn't really matter tbh) the majority have said the ending needs to be changed/or new endings need to be made.

How exactly is that "some of our loyal fans"? shouldn't that be "the majority of our loyal fans"?

Maybe I'm missing something, I don't understand PR speak even when I read the PR thread. I tend to take things at face value.

when i read it thats the part that really stood out to me, i was like, great even he thinks we are a minority, thats the impression i got from that sentence anyway

[Aeyl]

toffeetrooper wrote...

just got in from work, what have i missed?

A statement from Mr. Muzyka

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

[FinalEndeavor]

Mortensus wrote...

mCorfe wrote...

I'm willing to stop whining if BW explains to me why Tali (part of my final squad duo) appeared on the Normandy at the end. And how Joker managed to hit relay before it went boom. No? Can't explain? Okay then...

...still Holding the Line!

it's art no ?

it space magic:wizard: but really thats one of the biggest issues i have is how things that happened shouldnt of with how the endings are now. liara and garrus were with me when we were hit by the harbinger beam. and poof beam me up joker and now they are on pandora!

[WvStolzing]

Bump for newcomers--

Some new polls:
https://www.facebook...50638744824285/
http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/ (scroll down a bit for this one)

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Major Swift wrote...
when i read it thats the part that really stood out to me, i was like, great even he thinks we are a minority, thats the impression i got from that sentence anyway

Yeah that's the part that stood out too me aswell, hence my reason for asking if I missed something lol. Also he does mention the whole "some of our loyal fans" thing a couple of times, it really irks me. *takes deep calming breaths*

[unclee]

KHReborn wrote...

If somebody missed it:

An interesting article from Kotaku. (Yeah I didn't believe it either)

While reading I listened to this. (Has nothing to do with ME, but great to relax)

I usually don't like Totilo's writings, but this one was decent.

I think the main part I agree with doesn't have anything to do with Mass Effect at all: the fact that games are a malleable art. People keep throwing around the "artistic integrity" thing and point to the Soprano's and Lost as popular series that fans were outraged at the ending. Both of those were TV shows though. It's a passive media.

One of the things that makes video games so unique is that it IS an interactive media unlike TV or movies.

Totilo makes a sly reference to Fallout 3 getting it's ending changed to open up side quests. I find it extremely interesting that some people are fine with that, despite the fact that it was indeed a change to the story and the developers original ending, but are outraged that we can ask Bioware to change the ending to a trilogy. So it's OK to change endings so long as it's because people want to do side quests after finishing the main story (despite it being, you know, the main story)?

Modifié par unclee, 22 mars 2012 - 12:42 .

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v1.17

[VivaLaWhatsername]

WvStolzing wrote...

Bump for newcomers--

Some new polls:
https://www.facebook...50638744824285/
http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/ (scroll down a bit for this one)

Done and Done 

[kewnsty]

anyone notice these forbes articles?
i notice more then 1 writer writing articles there about us.. hah we are growin bigger folks
http://www.forbes.co...veryones-heads/

http://www.forbes.co...e-easy-way-out/

[Major Swift]

xHezz90 wrote...

Yeah that's the part that stood out too me aswell, hence my reason for asking if I missed something lol. Also he does mention the whole "some of our loyal fans" thing a couple of times, it really irks me. *takes deep calming breaths*

haha yea, anytime someone tries to tell me im part of the minority group i get really frustrated and it becomes more difficult to keep a paragon outlook up, i want them to admit its a majority, the numbers show

[BeCeejed]

xHezz90 wrote...

"On one hand, some of our loyal fans"
 
Anyone else sick of that being said?

I noticed that too.  It seems bothersome, but we are also called "core" fanbase and other things which emphasize the effect the movement has had.  Plus, its a step in the right direction.  I've read some tweets on teh @Masseffect twitter basically like "We're not stonewalling, there is content being created, you will learn more about it in April."

Still no word on what exactly this new content is or how it will adress the ending issue, but I consider it a plus.  Bioware's given us both a statement of (admittedly nebulous) intent and also a timeframe in which to recieve further specifics.

To hold the line at this point I feel like our job is to be patient and considerate, supportive of the Retakeme3 movement and of this move on Bioware's point  At this point we don't know what's coming next but its going to be something.  Lets give Bioware a chance to wow us like they have for 2.9 games.

Anyways, this Texan Soldier is back holding the line after a long day at work.  Still "Retaking My Shepherd" in a tweet run @forynia.  Will check in on this thread periodically.  Noticed a few new followers, if I missed anybody hitting me up in this thread I apologise...hard to read 75 pages that sprang up in absentia.

Gonna be fun to romance Liara this round.  Maybe by the time I've retaken this Shepherd all the way to Marauder Shields we'll have some more concrete hopes and I can leave him there, lol, and experience his ending as the first of the "endings I hope to see some day."

[WvStolzing]

I'd mentioned this before, but perhaps it's worth repeating.

Have you visited this guy's blog before? http://nothing-is-ir...ng/mass-effect/
Have a look for yourselves; he's put a GREAT deal of thought into the ME universe, and has a number of interesting things to say about its 'hidden workings'.

He says that he'll comment on ME3 soon; I really can't wait to hear what he says.

[Nightfire78]

zero punctuation did a ME3 review. I was worried he would annoy me (he sometimes does that ) but I actually had to laugh a couple of times, so I thought I'd post the link (sorry if someone else already has, too many pages too fast for me to keep up).

www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/5497-Mass-Effect-3

[N7_Sniper91]

To the people who are saying/thinking "Oh look, Ray Muzyka himself responded to us, that means we're getting new endings!", think again.

He clearly says they're going to offer "clarity" on the EXISTING endings, not add any new ones. Which means that chances are that they're trying to placate us by giving us some cheap "Epilogue-By-Text" after these crappy endings, instead of giving us what we were promised.

Don't just settle for any scraps they're willing to throw at us, because as I recall, we're here because we hated the endings and wanted what they promised us in the first place; multiple, DIFFERENT endings, and ones that actually made sense and provided closure.

The fight isn't over yet people. Hold The Line!