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#53751
Alamandorious

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The 'Support Bioware's Mass Effect' facebook page now has 599 people on it :o


And that's supposedly the majority :huh:


Silly IGN :D

#53752
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Right folks,

Listen up - those that are saying we're not fighting BW's PR or EA's PR.......yes we are. Sorry they are not fuzzy bunnies - they are a company. The bottom line is - they care about making money.

BW might care a little more for their customers over say EA - but to affect change on any corperate stucture - has to be through economics.

If someone from BW comes in - we be polite - engage them - and be respectful. We've done enough to be noticed by EA - they've pulled in a VP - aka the CEO to do something about this. This means we've hit them economically and this is exactly what we have to keep doing to get this change.

People might not like this completely but this is business folks. I'm no being harsh just truthful. BW/EA will use any and all tatics to make this go away without having to spend more than is nessary. They are having meetings day and possibly nights now to figure out which is the best way to do this.

Expanded/new ending or ride it out - If we fall apart now; we'll get nothing. Period - its crunch time.

1 - Stay Respectful - treat others how you want to be treated.

2 - Keep posting; keep tweeting; keep the news on them; keep the pressure. This literally is the only way to get the ending that ME should have.

3. They want feedback - give it - give your ideas but keep it clean.....

If you're getting burned out - take a break - eat; sleep - writing. Donate to the charity. This is a marathon - not a sprint - even though we've come so far so fast; now is the time to keep it up.


HOLD THE LINE.

#53753
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toffeetrooper wrote...

Admiral H. Cain posted this on the Dr ray muzyka blog

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funny and says it all

hold the line

lol i loved it, it is pretty funny :lol:

#53754
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Well some of the retakers have been gnashing their teeth as well. Just everyone relax and continue to be civil and keep hitting the feedback thread in a Positive and polite manner.

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Signing off,

Hold the Line guys, today has been interesting.

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Stygian1

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Aedera wrote...

Well some of the retakers have been gnashing their teeth as well. Just everyone relax and continue to be civil and keep hitting the feedback thread in a Positive and polite manner.


This, can't stress it enough. 

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Fox544 wrote...

Yup. The pro-ending people are getting unreasonable and hostile. They're hurt.


It's called Ad Homonim. Basiclly, they would rather attack us personally so as to deflect attention from the fact that they have no argument. They've backed themselves into a wall and have no where left to go.

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Stygian1 wrote...

Aedera wrote...

Well some of the retakers have been gnashing their teeth as well. Just everyone relax and continue to be civil and keep hitting the feedback thread in a Positive and polite manner.


This, can't stress it enough. 


Yes <3

So, when are we going to hit 2186 pages? B)

#53759
MeldarthX

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http://i.imgur.com/3Qq6U.jpg

Reposting - also


HOLD THE LINE

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Nitsugalego

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I hope the endings are some clever marketing ploy, I mean , the indoctrination theory makes too much sense!
But if not...

Keep holding the line!

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forum mod hit the ban hammer on ppl for heavy criticizing of Ray Muzyka's blog post citing "disrespect of any bioware developer or any employee of bioware will not be tolirated"

seems bioware is getting pissy over the bad press they just got on attack the show

Modifié par chmarr, 22 mars 2012 - 02:04 .


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MeldarthX wrote...

Right folks,

Listen up - those that are saying we're not fighting BW's PR or EA's PR.......yes we are. Sorry they are not fuzzy bunnies - they are a company. The bottom line is - they care about making money.

BW might care a little more for their customers over say EA - but to affect change on any corperate stucture - has to be through economics.

If someone from BW comes in - we be polite - engage them - and be respectful. We've done enough to be noticed by EA - they've pulled in a VP - aka the CEO to do something about this. This means we've hit them economically and this is exactly what we have to keep doing to get this change.

People might not like this completely but this is business folks. I'm no being harsh just truthful. BW/EA will use any and all tatics to make this go away without having to spend more than is nessary. They are having meetings day and possibly nights now to figure out which is the best way to do this.

Expanded/new ending or ride it out - If we fall apart now; we'll get nothing. Period - its crunch time.

1 - Stay Respectful - treat others how you want to be treated.

2 - Keep posting; keep tweeting; keep the news on them; keep the pressure. This literally is the only way to get the ending that ME should have.

3. They want feedback - give it - give your ideas but keep it clean.....

If you're getting burned out - take a break - eat; sleep - writing. Donate to the charity. This is a marathon - not a sprint - even though we've come so far so fast; now is the time to keep it up.


HOLD THE LINE.


Reposting this because it is very true and everyone needs to be reminded now more than ever

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chmarr wrote...

forum mod hit the ban hammer on ppl for heavy dritisizing of Ray Muzyka's blog post citing "disrespect of any bioware developer or any employee of bioware will not be tolirated"

seems bioware is getting pissy over the bad press they just got on attack the show


We've known the rules, they're at the top of every page, this thread has gone out of its way to abide by them, even when other locations don't.  I can't really blame them for enforcing their own rules.  They were way more patient than they needed to be this week.  I doubt it's got anything to do with G4TV in the end

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 I'm sure this has been brought up, but...

Anyone in the Retake movement believe in the Indpoctrination Theory?  After watching videos by Angry Joe and ACAVYOS that go very in-depth on its analysis, I have no choice but to agree...there are just too many things that make sense and fit perfectly.  Plus it would leave the opportunity open for a real ending.

Anyone else seen these?  What is your opinion on it?

Modifié par MikeFL25, 22 mars 2012 - 02:07 .


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chmarr wrote...

forum mod hit the ban hammer on ppl for heavy criticizing of Ray Muzyka's blog post citing "disrespect of any bioware developer or any employee of bioware will not be tolirated"

seems bioware is getting pissy over the bad press they just got on attack the show


Where exactly?

#53766
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Alamandorious wrote...

The 'Support Bioware's Mass Effect' facebook page now has 599 people on it :o


And that's supposedly the majority :huh:


Silly IGN :D

They are a vocal minority.

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chmarr wrote...

forum mod hit the ban hammer on ppl for heavy criticizing of Ray Muzyka's blog post citing "disrespect of any bioware developer or any employee of bioware will not be tolirated"

seems bioware is getting pissy over the bad press they just got on attack the show


any link to the bad press from attack of the show? or was it just on tv?

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#53769
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MikeFL25 wrote...

 I'm sure this has been brought up, but...

Anyone in the Retake movement believe in the Indpoctrination Theory?  After watching videos by Angry Joe and ACAVYOS that go very in-depth on its analysis, I have no choice but to agree...there are just too many things that make sense and fit perfectly.  Plus it would leave the opportunity open for a real ending.

Anyone else seen these?  What is your opinion on it?


I did believe in it, but feel that if that was the case, Bioware sold an incomplete game. The endings suck and have no real player affected choice. The indoctrination theory makes them make more sense. But if it was indoctrination, the ending shouldn't have ended with the stupid "Shepard is a legend" prompt and star-gazer scene. Cause we don't exactly know how Shepard beat the reapers and why he/she is considered "the Shepard". I want to believe in it, just because it would have shown more thought on Bioware's part. But I don't think it makes the ending that much better.

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RatedRRachel wrote...

MikeFL25 wrote...

 I'm sure this has been brought up, but...

Anyone in the Retake movement believe in the Indpoctrination Theory?  After watching videos by Angry Joe and ACAVYOS that go very in-depth on its analysis, I have no choice but to agree...there are just too many things that make sense and fit perfectly.  Plus it would leave the opportunity open for a real ending.

Anyone else seen these?  What is your opinion on it?


I did believe in it, but feel that if that was the case, Bioware sold an incomplete game. The endings suck and have no real player affected choice. The indoctrination theory makes them make more sense. But if it was indoctrination, the ending shouldn't have ended with the stupid "Shepard is a legend" prompt and star-gazer scene. Cause we don't exactly know how Shepard beat the reapers and why he/she is considered "the Shepard". I want to believe in it, just because it would have shown more thought on Bioware's part. But I don't think it makes the ending that much better.


if you saw mac walters notes this is what he intended... for you to write the ending. 

dig deep enough and you'll find some sort of logic in this mess. 

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As has been said, don't fall for the PR trap Muzyka laid out for us.

EA/BW are trying to delay and distract everyone in the hopes that all this will fade out in time.  The longer they drag things out, the more likely interest will fade and the media and others will forget all about us.

Muzyka is handing us nothing but empty words at this point in order to salvage the PR of his company, and they'll say whatever they think will satisfy you without actually promising/delivering anything.  Also, dont put it past EA to lie outright (if some piece of real truth gets out through some means) to try and make us all think its "fake" or "falsified".  It might be, but thats the key word, "might".  EA/BW doesn't have any trust from me, nor should they from you at this point.  They lied outright about how our choices would matter in the end, that tells me they'd do the same now to save face in the public backlash they are taking.

Even if they say they are 100% going to make the kinds of endings we want, don't believe them until you have the code in your hands if you plan to buy it (I wont in any case, they dont deserve my money at this point as it should never have come to this in the first place).

Hold the line until you have tangible, measureable results.  Anything else is simply unacceptable.

Just my 2 credits, spend them how you wish.  Me?  I'm buying a housewarming gift for Tali's new home.

Don't you think that's being a little paranoid?

Except about not trusting EA. That part is just true.

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chmarr wrote...

forum mod hit the ban hammer on ppl for heavy criticizing of Ray Muzyka's blog post citing "disrespect of any bioware developer or any employee of bioware will not be tolirated"

seems bioware is getting pissy over the bad press they just got on attack the show


What's this? What happened on Attack the show?

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Opsrbest wrote...


Don't you think that's being a little paranoid?

Except about not trusting EA. That part is just true.


I'll take paranoid until my DLC is officially announced (Directly with no room for interpretation) or its done and in my hard disk. Until then people stay off your paranoia medication

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ld1449 wrote...

What's this? What happened on Attack the show?


I don't know what happened on the show, but the poll results are very 'interesting'.

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WvStolzing wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

What's this? What happened on Attack the show?


I don't know what happened on the show, but the poll results are very 'interesting'.


Yeah I chuckled when I saw that haha.  That poll is about as unscientific as any there are ... but it does show that we're a very passionate community haha