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[KRAETZNER]

If they fix this ending, I will look back on Mass Effect years from now as the Farscape of video games.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Wow I missed a few pages there when I was writing this lol

The Indoctrination Theory And Why I Don't Believe It

Modifié par xHezz90, 22 mars 2012 - 02:55 .

[Darkspazztic]

TamiBx wrote...

Darkspazztic wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

We should definitely make a party.xD

Party Hard?

I'll party when the new/alternative ending comes out...or I'll just go to the corner of my room to cry if it doesn't...

If they don't fix it, I think I'll never be able to touch a ME game again. Too traumatized. 

Yeah, same here...though that may extend to the vast spectrum of games.  I may have to get a shrink for PTSD.

[Militarized]

KRAETZNER wrote...

If they fix this ending, I will look back on Mass Effect years from now as the Farscape of video games.

Farscape? 

[ziyon conqueror]

I have hope. I have patience (though not much).

We should give Bioware a second chance to correct this. If we do not, we cannot see if they can redeem themselves.

[TamiBx]

WvStolzing wrote...

Tell me about it.....

I don't think this is a PR stunt went awry or anything; I think it's a lot simpler than that:

1) They made a radical change in the plot (dark energy to 'tech. singularity')
2) By November 2011, they had no idea how to wrap up the 'updated' story
3) At some point they decided not to bother finding multiple decent endings. (Lots of Speculation!)
4) They thought they could get away with that, if they could sufficiently muddy the waters. (Casper)

...and, they couldn't get away with it. Because we're not stupid.

http://26.media.tumb...69zbvo1_500.png



P.S. there is another one but I don't think it's forum appropriate...it can be seen as "bashing" 

[Recon911PDW]

http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1221273p1.html
Looks like they will finally tell what the crap actually happened at the ending.

Modifié par Recon911PDW, 22 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[Xyalon]

Teleraine wrote...

 Anyone seen the yahtzee video...and I think hes saying something along the lines its not very good but to be fair in his own words hes pretty jaded.

www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/5497-Mass-Effect-3

I love yahtzee dearly.

Yes, he is basically saying that. He also touches on the fact whether you do all the sidequests or just "test the swivel mechanism on the captains chair and flick snot at specialist traynor" will change the ending "not to any significant degree at all".

Yes, yahtzee will usually give scathing reveiws, and here he touches on the fact that the series has gotten progessively away from the initial concept and generally seems to be a lot lazier. The joke about EA/BW picking up only on +ve feedback was good. "I know a lot of people have been down on the ending but I thought it could have been worse. That quote's not going to be used in any EA marketing material but for what it's worth I'm not left disappointed. But then I am completely Jaded, I'm having a good morning if I don't accidentally ****** on the loofah in the shower"


Ahh, that cheered me up a lot, thanks for posting it Teleraine

[KRAETZNER]

Militarized wrote...

KRAETZNER wrote...

If they fix this ending, I will look back on Mass Effect years from now as the Farscape of video games.

Farscape? 

Farscape was one of the best sci fi shows ever made. If Mass Effect's endings are fixed then Mass Effect 3 will go down as one of the best sci fi video games ever made. Apologies for the unclear analogy.

[Major Swift]

Darkspazztic wrote...
Yeah, same here...though that may extend to the vast spectrum of games.  I may have to get a shrink for PTSD.

that may apply to me as well if things dont get fixed

[Darkspazztic]

ziyon conqueror wrote...

I have hope. I have patience (though not much).

We should give Bioware a second chance to correct this. If we do not, we cannot see if they can redeem themselves.

Yup.

To quote Garrus though:

"I'm all for second chances.  Not so sure about third ones."

[ziyon conqueror]

Darkspazztic wrote...

ziyon conqueror wrote...

I have hope. I have patience (though not much).

We should give Bioware a second chance to correct this. If we do not, we cannot see if they can redeem themselves.

Yup.

To quote Garrus though:

"I'm all for second chances.  Not so sure about third ones."

lol. Just as long as they are not indoctrinated.

[RatedRRachel]

TamiBx wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

Tell me about it.....

I don't think this is a PR stunt went awry or anything; I think it's a lot simpler than that:

1) They made a radical change in the plot (dark energy to 'tech. singularity')
2) By November 2011, they had no idea how to wrap up the 'updated' story
3) At some point they decided not to bother finding multiple decent endings. (Lots of Speculation!)
4) They thought they could get away with that, if they could sufficiently muddy the waters. (Casper)

...and, they couldn't get away with it. Because we're not stupid.

http://26.media.tumb...69zbvo1_500.png



P.S. there is another one but I don't think it's forum appropriate...it can be seen as "bashing" 

And that is why I am sick of the negative side of "don't make the writer's change their vision". They didn't even know how they wanted to end it until very late in the process. And the promises they made were not kept. If their vision was crafted for five years and this was the ultimate goal, that is one thing. But it wasn't. Dark energy seemed to be the original plan and when that was scrapped... we were left with RGB and space magic. 

[Darkspazztic]

Recon911PDW wrote...

http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1221273p1.html
Looks like they will finally tell what the crap actually happened at the ending.

While it's a win for us, he still IMO doesn't state difinitively that they're working on a new ending.

It's still a bunch of vague, meaning-within-a-meaning stuff, as far as I can tell.

I will not step off my soapbox until I see "YES WE ARE MAKING A DIFFERENT ENDING FOR MASS EFFECT 3".  Maybe in not so many words, but something *difinitive*.

[KaiserinKai]

nitefyre410 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

Quick question: Say the endings don't change and we do in fact get just an explanation of the current ones. Why was that tweet about if we knew what they were planning we would hold onto our saves forever even said? To give us hope that never was coming? Or do they believe that MP and pre ending content will actually make us happy?

All this just seems strange. Hold on to our saves but for what purpose? Pre ending content will not require us to do that nor would MP content. What's up with that?

See, Bioware also said to us that we would get 16 different endings where our choices did matter, and that they were not going to be a,b,c...They also said we would get closure...so, yeah...

I'm trying to believe, I really am, but their past makes it hard for me to believe them...

 

I believe nothing they say until I see It for myself...  seriously.  Foo me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me...   They did not mispeak or misquote... they straight up and down lied... they are not 16 different endings in this game. Its is a lie and we need to start calling it what it is and stop sparing them.   

They lied...  clear as day and  if that  hurts some of their staffs feelings... well then tough..

Amen. Trust is easier to lose than to gain. They lost our trust with their lies and it will take a fair bit to get it back...

[Precursor2552]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I read that letter from Ray again.

I'm sorry, but that is the lamest disguising of "**** YOU" I have ever read. Honestly, I can't believe people are thanking him for a response, all we got was a big middle finger and a "maybe."

I'm happy to have a time to expect an announcement. At least now I know April, as opposed to dealing with a constant "Well maybe X event next week/month/year will have them announce it." 

[Annaleah]

Xyalon wrote...

Teleraine wrote...

 Anyone seen the yahtzee video...and I think hes saying something along the lines its not very good but to be fair in his own words hes pretty jaded.

www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/5497-Mass-Effect-3

I love yahtzee dearly.

Yes, he is basically saying that. He also touches on the fact whether you do all the sidequests or just "test the swivel mechanism on the captains chair and flick snot at specialist traynor" will change the ending "not to any significant degree at all".

Yes, yahtzee will usually give scathing reveiws, and here he touches on the fact that the series has gotten progessively away from the initial concept and generally seems to be a lot lazier. The joke about EA/BW picking up only on +ve feedback was good. "I know a lot of people have been down on the ending but I thought it could have been worse. That quote's not going to be used in any EA marketing material but for what it's worth I'm not left disappointed. But then I am completely Jaded, I'm having a good morning if I don't accidentally ****** on the loofah in the shower"


Ahh, that cheered me up a lot, thanks for posting it Teleraine

Yahtzee always expects developers to **** themselves and call it art... in a way I kinda envy that... never having to be dissappointed by anything.

But I have to disagree on one point... not all series's get bad with the 3rd installment... Aladdin and the King of Thieves was pure gold!

[Nilofeliu]

Computim wrote...

chmarr wrote...

forum mod hit the ban hammer on ppl for heavy dritisizing of Ray Muzyka's blog post citing "disrespect of any bioware developer or any employee of bioware will not be tolirated"

seems bioware is getting pissy over the bad press they just got on attack the show

We've known the rules, they're at the top of every page, this thread has gone out of its way to abide by them, even when other locations don't.  I can't really blame them for enforcing their own rules.  They were way more patient than they needed to be this week.  I doubt it's got anything to do with G4TV in the end

We got to give credit when credit is due. Regardless of everything that has been going on, and how Bioware has been acting in response to our posts and demands, we have to congratulate the moderators here in this forum.

Some of us have been a little more reckless than they should be, and some times, temper have risen, mine included to say the truth. We have tried our best to abide by the rules in this threas specifically, and even when we have not been 100% able to keep the composure we must have, no action was taken. We have barely seen an edited post by the moderators in here.

Keep up the good work my friends, and let's hope when all of this is over and gone, we can just remember these moments and laugh about it together. And for everyone reading me, moderators or players, we are not Bioware's enemies, we are its fans, its player base, and we love it so much that it hurts to see how an once mighty and respected company fell so much to meet game standards that Bioware itself set in the past. I just hope they see the truth in it and rise to the challenge.

/Salute

[KaiserinKai]

RatedRRachel wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

Tell me about it.....

I don't think this is a PR stunt went awry or anything; I think it's a lot simpler than that:

1) They made a radical change in the plot (dark energy to 'tech. singularity')
2) By November 2011, they had no idea how to wrap up the 'updated' story
3) At some point they decided not to bother finding multiple decent endings. (Lots of Speculation!)
4) They thought they could get away with that, if they could sufficiently muddy the waters. (Casper)

...and, they couldn't get away with it. Because we're not stupid.

http://26.media.tumb...69zbvo1_500.png



P.S. there is another one but I don't think it's forum appropriate...it can be seen as "bashing" 

And that is why I am sick of the negative side of "don't make the writer's change their vision". They didn't even know how they wanted to end it until very late in the process. And the promises they made were not kept. If their vision was crafted for five years and this was the ultimate goal, that is one thing. But it wasn't. Dark energy seemed to be the original plan and when that was scrapped... we were left with RGB and space magic. 

I hate the art argument. This is all I have to say to that fallacy...

[TamiBx]

RatedRRachel wrote...

And that is why I am sick of the negative side of "don't make the writer's change their vision". They didn't even know how they wanted to end it until very late in the process. And the promises they made were not kept. If their vision was crafted for five years and this was the ultimate goal, that is one thing. But it wasn't. Dark energy seemed to be the original plan and when that was scrapped... we were left with RGB and space magic. 

I know, right? Thanks for the awesome ending that fulfilled all of the promises...not.
And honestly, I'm sick of the "video game is art" defense. It's not. It's a game. I get to pick the endings and you just make them. You create the path and I pick it. 

P.S. I love your profile picture...but it's reminding me that there will never be Shenko babies...

[Nayt Navare]

KRAETZNER wrote...

Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/

“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome.”


Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”


Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people”


Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.”


Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…”


Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending.
BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than
answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”

Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”

Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike Gamble.


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing"


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.”

Someone posted this in another thread. I'm sure all of you have seen this a thousand times, but I think it's important to remember that not only are the endings bad, but they're exactly the opposite of what they promised.

It's points like this that anger me.  Sigh.  I have to remember though, that Bioware is filled with some of the best game development PEOPLE, and people make mistakes.

[RussianOrc]

TamiBx wrote...

Darkspazztic wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

We should definitely make a party.xD

Party Hard?

I'll party when the new/alternative ending comes out...or I'll just go to the corner of my room to cry if it doesn't...

If they don't fix it, I think I'll never be able to touch a ME game again. Too traumatized. 

Today i took some time to think about it and now i'm almost sure bioware will change the ending.Think about it if they release any pre-ending dlc, it's almost certain that the sales will be very low at best, so, based on their 1 year support plan for ME3, if the first dlc end up in a massive failure, the whole Mass Effect 3 project may be considered a failure unless they surrender to the requests of their fanbase(us) and change their dlc plan so the next one won't end up the same way, so, if we are the majority of the fanbase(as i think we are) it's just a question of time before they change the ending.

[MeldarthX]

http://da.twitch.tv/luzarius

seriously guys/gals come watch this - he's near the ending - live stream with no spoilers - aka he doesn't know man I feel sorry for him.

[Mara Shep]

I keep getting the urge to do a run through of all three games, and then I remember the ending. And the desire leaves me completely.

Urgh, this game has put my life on hold at the moment. RIDICULOUS.

I don't know if I can watch.  That poor guy.

Modifié par Mara Shep, 22 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[Lord Costantino]

RussianOrc wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Darkspazztic wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

We should definitely make a party.xD

Party Hard?

I'll party when the new/alternative ending comes out...or I'll just go to the corner of my room to cry if it doesn't...

If they don't fix it, I think I'll never be able to touch a ME game again. Too traumatized. 

Today i took some time to think about it and now i'm almost sure bioware will change the ending.Think about it if they release any pre-ending dlc, it's almost certain that the sales will be very low at best, so, based on their 1 year support plan for ME3, if the first dlc end up in a massive failure, the whole Mass Effect 3 project may be considered a failure unless they surrender to the requests of their fanbase(us) and change their dlc plan so the next one won't end up the same way, so, if we are the majority of the fanbase(as i think we are) it's just a question of time before they change the ending.

Then we need to keep the pressure on them to make sure DA3 is good, imo <_<